Injecting - injecting percocet with a CWE

[brown_chunx]

SWIM's recently come into possesion of quite a few oxycodones (not oxycontin):
5 mg / 325 mg Oxy/Aspirin (generic percocet)
Swim definatly wants to perform a Cold Water Extraction on these to remove the aspirin. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post these links, so sorry if I'm not.
I've read these extraction methods:
http://www.everything2.org/index.pl?node_id=1291259
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http://www.neonjoint.com/drug_recipes/chapter11.html

And there's this quote from heroinhelper.com:
"Acetaminophen is not very water soluble and hydrocodone is. Crush your Vicodin with a mortar and pestle and put it into some kind of vial with water--a test tube works really well for this. Mix the solution for a few minutes. Let the solution settle for a few minutes and strain it. Discard the particulate matter. Voila! The solution is non-toxic hydrocodone. Now all you have to worry about is The Law."
I assume oxycodon is as soluble as hydrocodone?

So here's what SWIM figures he'll do:
-crush up about 6 oxys into a very fine powder
-dump powder into a bowl filled with about 2-3 cups of cold water (coming from the freezer)
-put the bowl into the fridge, and after waiting about a half hour, pour into another bowl through a coffee filter

Will this work right, and will all of the aspirin be removed, or just most of it. ANY tips or other methods would be greatly appreciated. SWIM's wondering if it woulsd be possible to inject the solution. I'm ure it wouldn't be terrible, but I'm not positive, and would really like to know someone elses opinion on it.

[Forthesevenlakes]

The CWE would work on the percocet just the same as vicodin, but SWIM wouldnt inject the product. Although the APAP is going to be filtered out, there will still be binders and junk in the final product. Not to mention that SWIY is going to end up with a lot of solution (oxycodone and water) at the end, the volume would probably be too much to inject. So, SWIM wouldn't try to IV it.

[brown_chunx]

Is there any way to turn the oxy into a powder, rather than water. I guess it could be left out to evaporate... think that'd work? SWIM would much rather snort the oxy than drink some nasty ass water.

[Forthesevenlakes]

The taste isnt too bad, and certainly bearable. But if SWIY wants to get powder, evaporating by leaving the solution out is probably the best bet. Boiling the water won't work too well because that amount of heat will destroy the oxycodone, so maybe leaving the water out on a large surface area (like a pyrex baking dish) in the sun would be the most feasible option.

[brown_chunx]

Swim just crushed 1 (using a spoon handle and shotglass as his morta/pestle) and dumped it into 1/3 water (fridge temp) and stirred it up with a spoon handle. Before he stirred it, the powder just formed a large clump floating atop the water, slowly sinking to the bottom.

So I guess when it's done there should be clear water with particles at the bottom that need filtered out? How long should it be kept in the freezer, or does it even need to be?

[brown_chunx]

damn... SWIM was supposed to use warm water first wasn't he?

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM keeps his CWE in the freezer until the water gets cold to the touch. That's when the APAP comes out of solution. There will be cloudy water (the oxy and water) and some stuff at the bottom (the APAP). Dump the water through a filter slowly, and either drink the water at the end or evaporate it.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by brown_chunx

damn... SWIM was supposed to use warm water first wasn't he?

Yes, warm water is what has to be used. Room temp water shouldnt be terrible, but it works best with water that's been microwaved for about 45 seconds.

[brown_chunx]

SWIM fucked up using cold water from the start, so he heated it in microwave for 30 seconds and drank... terrible, terrible stuff, especially when hot.

Swim might as well just eat about 5 percs, rather than worry about the aspirin. 5x325 is only 1625mg, not exactly a safe amount, but SWIMs taken MUCH more than this before. He was mostly wanting to do a CWE to shoot the oxycodone. If he used less water it might work, but swim's not gonna try anything that he doesn't know is safe.

[Dr.Jones]

using cold water for CWE is just fine. As a matter of fact, it is the prefered method. the ONLY thing hot water would do would make the pills dissolve faster. These pills are 'instant rls' anyway, so they are litterally DESIGNED to fully dissolve within 10-20 minutes. But you crushed your pills anyway so why use hot water to help the pill dissolve.

The pink lortabs dissolve in like 40 secs

[brown_chunx]

Is it really worth all the trouble. Well, it's not really that much trouble, but it's one fuckin nasty drink. How long would it take to evaporate approximatly? Could it be placed unter a heat lamp rather than out in the sun?

Would it be possible to use the extracted oxycodone and CWExtract it again, removing more aspirin (I'm sure one CWE won't get rid of 100% APAP. maybe 95% the 2nd time). It would come out to 25mg of oxy using 5 percs, which would be enough to provide a buzz if injecting, but would be a waste to eat or snort.

I'm sure it could be done, just not positive how safe it would be. Swim would probably let it evaporate into powder and cook, rather than just shooting the water. Swim doesn't want to ruin his pills though.

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIY could do another CWE on the liquid product, simply by stirring the solution, cooling it again, and filtering. This would, indeed, make SWIY's product more pure.

SWIM has never evaporated the end product of a CWE, but he's guessing it could take a day or two to evaporate all the water, but again, this is subject to many factors, including the surface area of the water and the light/heat of the area. SWIM thinks that a heat lamp would probably work as long as SWIY doesn't boil the water. The other issue here is that SWIM thinks that oxycodone is light sensitive (a quick google search says that it is, too), so actually, a heat lamp may work better than the sun. Perhaps try to get a red heat lamp so as to minimize the damage to the opiate caused by a broad spectrum of light.

SWIM does not think that injecting the CWE would really be safe though, even if SWIY evaporates the water and cooks it again. There's no guarantee that all the binders would be removed through both a CWE and filtering through cotton or a syringe filter. These techniques might make the percocet safer to shoot, but not completely safe, so again, SWIM would advise against this.

[Dr.Jones]

It will not make the product more pure.

@ ~12C and 100ml 1.8 grams of codeine phosphate will solute and ~ 400mg of APAP will solute. Still a big ratio between ~25mg of oxy and 400mg APAP. Doing another coldwater wont work as all your oxy will solute, as well as a max of 400mg apap you would just stay at the same point..

IE: CWE 10 percs, and you end up with 50mg oxy and 400mg apap. Dry it out and try to CWE again, once again all 400mg of apap will solute as well as 50mg of oxy.

Why would you want to CWE twice anyway, relativly 400mg of apap isn't much.

Btw, cwe-ing and drying out to snort the powde fucking blows and isn't worth it.

[Dr.Jones]

Originally Posted by Forthesevenlakes

that it is, too), so actually, a heat lamp may work better than the sun. Perhaps try to get a red heat lamp so as to minimize the damage to the opiate caused by a broad spectrum of light.

The high heat from the heatlamp would be more damaging to opiates than light ever would be. Heat lamps do not have a spectrum as broad as the sun, but where it IS (infrared) it is much higher than the sun.
Tanning beds anyone?

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Dr.Jones

It will not make the product more pure.

@ ~12C and 100ml 1.8 grams of codeine phosphate will solute and ~ 400mg of APAP will solute. Still a big ratio between ~25mg of oxy and 400mg APAP. Doing another coldwater wont work as all your oxy will solute, as well as a max of 400mg apap you would just stay at the same point..

IE: CWE 10 percs, and you end up with 50mg oxy and 400mg apap. Dry it out and try to CWE again, once again all 400mg of apap will solute as well as 50mg of oxy.

Why would you want to CWE twice anyway, relativly 400mg of apap isn't much.

Btw, cwe-ing and drying out to snort the powde fucking blows and isn't worth it.

Do you have a source for this? The ratio of how much APAP is removed varies by several factors in a CWE, so the ratio isn't constant. SWIM contends that when dealing with alot of pills, doing the CWE twice would make the product more pure.

[Dr.Jones]

Yes, the ratio is not constant. That is why I mentioned the tempature of the water. That is why we use cold water. And of course I have a source for this buddy.




Theory:
The logic behind the cold water extraction is that APAP is highly insoluble in cold water, whereas the opiates (as well as pseudoephedrine and caffeine, but that is neither here nor there) are highly soluble in cold water.
The following table (Source: Codeine FAQ) illustrates:

Solubility | 31C water | 21C water
Aspirin | 1g / 100 ml | 1g / 300 ml
Acetaminophen | 1g / 70 ml | 1g / 150 ml
Codeine | 1g / 2.3 ml | 1g / 0.7 ml
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1291260 There are more factors, but its shit like atmospheric pressure and other stuff you will never use.






Lets use round numbers to make it easy.

I just CWE-ed a pile of powder that had 10mg hydro and 1000mg apap (as well as binders).

I used 100ml of 22C water. In that water, all 10mg of hydro soluted and ~ 300 mg of apap (again, these numbers are just for the sake of arguement).
I evap-ed the water off. I was left with 10mg hydro and 300mg apap.


I dissolve that powder in 100ml of 22c water again. The remaining powder completely soluted. Now what are we stuck with. The exact same thing as we were when we started. I evap off the water again, just like the first time. I still have 10mg hydro and 300mg apap. You may say ' I used colder water the second time, I used less water the second time'. Well then why didn't use that colder water or less amounts of water the first time? Results would have been the same. depending on your dose, 20ml ofwater should be very sufficient for your dose, and as long as it covers the amount of powder, then the second wash wouldn't change anything.

[brown_chunx]

Obviously, when you think about it, drj is right. doing another CWE would probably just give you even less oxy/APAP than before, if anything.

[Spare Chaynge]

swim would just eat all of them and take some tums to avoid upset stomach

[Dr.Jones]

Originally Posted by brown_chunx

Is there any way to turn the oxy into a powder, rather than water. I guess it could be left out to evaporate... think that'd work? SWIM would much rather snort the oxy than drink some nasty ass water.

It is possible, but you will still end up with like 300mg apap and 10mg oxy. And oxy has a higher oral bioavaibility than nasal so you would get more out of drinking it. In whole, you stand to lose at least 30% of opiod activity by evaping it, and that is if you do it PERFECT.

[idonotcondone]

Isn't what you're extracting oxycodone hcl/tartate? I've UTFSE, but I have yet to find an account of anyone using CWE and an A/B extraction to get a pure end product? Am I missing something?

[TheNewLeft]

oxy with aspirin is percodan right....ive never seen those in canada....i think over here we only have percocet