Drugs-Forum  
Home Wiki Studies Forum Groups Blog Video Images News
Go Back   Drugs Forum > DRUG-FORUMS > Opiates & Opioids > Oxycodone
Mark Forums Read
Register Tags

Notices

 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 09-02-2007, 23:04
brown_chunx brown_chunx is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 29-01-2007
Male
Posts: 89
brown_chunx needs to post very carefully to avoid a ban by negative reputation.
Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
injecting percocet with a CWE

SWIM's recently come into possesion of quite a few oxycodones (not oxycontin):
5 mg / 325 mg Oxy/Aspirin (generic percocet)
Swim definatly wants to perform a Cold Water Extraction on these to remove the aspirin. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post these links, so sorry if I'm not.
I've read these extraction methods:
http://www.everything2.org/index.pl?node_id=1291259
-
http://www.neonjoint.com/drug_recipes/chapter11.html

And there's this quote from heroinhelper.com:
"Acetaminophen is not very water soluble and hydrocodone is. Crush your Vicodin with a mortar and pestle and put it into some kind of vial with water--a test tube works really well for this. Mix the solution for a few minutes. Let the solution settle for a few minutes and strain it. Discard the particulate matter. Voila! The solution is non-toxic hydrocodone. Now all you have to worry about is The Law."
I assume oxycodon is as soluble as hydrocodone?

So here's what SWIM figures he'll do:
-crush up about 6 oxys into a very fine powder
-dump powder into a bowl filled with about 2-3 cups of cold water (coming from the freezer)
-put the bowl into the fridge, and after waiting about a half hour, pour into another bowl through a coffee filter

Will this work right, and will all of the aspirin be removed, or just most of it. ANY tips or other methods would be greatly appreciated. SWIM's wondering if it woulsd be possible to inject the solution. I'm ure it wouldn't be terrible, but I'm not positive, and would really like to know someone elses opinion on it.
  #2  
Old 09-02-2007, 23:07
Forthesevenlakes Forthesevenlakes is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 26-02-2006
Male
Posts: 2,073
Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.
Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

The CWE would work on the percocet just the same as vicodin, but SWIM wouldnt inject the product. Although the APAP is going to be filtered out, there will still be binders and junk in the final product. Not to mention that SWIY is going to end up with a lot of solution (oxycodone and water) at the end, the volume would probably be too much to inject. So, SWIM wouldn't try to IV it.
  #3  
Old 09-02-2007, 23:13
brown_chunx brown_chunx is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 29-01-2007
Male
Posts: 89
brown_chunx needs to post very carefully to avoid a ban by negative reputation.
Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

Is there any way to turn the oxy into a powder, rather than water. I guess it could be left out to evaporate... think that'd work? SWIM would much rather snort the oxy than drink some nasty ass water.
  #4  
Old 09-02-2007, 23:22
Forthesevenlakes Forthesevenlakes is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 26-02-2006
Male
Posts: 2,073
Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.
Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

The taste isnt too bad, and certainly bearable. But if SWIY wants to get powder, evaporating by leaving the solution out is probably the best bet. Boiling the water won't work too well because that amount of heat will destroy the oxycodone, so maybe leaving the water out on a large surface area (like a pyrex baking dish) in the sun would be the most feasible option.
  #5  
Old 09-02-2007, 23:35
brown_chunx brown_chunx is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 29-01-2007
Male
Posts: 89
brown_chunx needs to post very carefully to avoid a ban by negative reputation.
Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

Swim just crushed 1 (using a spoon handle and shotglass as his morta/pestle) and dumped it into 1/3 water (fridge temp) and stirred it up with a spoon handle. Before he stirred it, the powder just formed a large clump floating atop the water, slowly sinking to the bottom.

So I guess when it's done there should be clear water with particles at the bottom that need filtered out? How long should it be kept in the freezer, or does it even need to be?
  #6  
Old 09-02-2007, 23:38
brown_chunx brown_chunx is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 29-01-2007
Male
Posts: 89
brown_chunx needs to post very carefully to avoid a ban by negative reputation.
Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

damn... SWIM was supposed to use warm water first wasn't he?
  #7  
Old 09-02-2007, 23:38
Forthesevenlakes Forthesevenlakes is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 26-02-2006
Male
Posts: 2,073
Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.
Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

SWIM keeps his CWE in the freezer until the water gets cold to the touch. That's when the APAP comes out of solution. There will be cloudy water (the oxy and water) and some stuff at the bottom (the APAP). Dump the water through a filter slowly, and either drink the water at the end or evaporate it.
  #8  
Old 09-02-2007, 23:39
Forthesevenlakes Forthesevenlakes is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 26-02-2006
Male
Posts: 2,073
Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.
Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

Quote:
Originally Posted by brown_chunx View Post
damn... SWIM was supposed to use warm water first wasn't he?
Yes, warm water is what has to be used. Room temp water shouldnt be terrible, but it works best with water that's been microwaved for about 45 seconds.
  #9  
Old 10-02-2007, 17:25
brown_chunx brown_chunx is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 29-01-2007
Male
Posts: 89
brown_chunx needs to post very carefully to avoid a ban by negative reputation.
Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

SWIM fucked up using cold water from the start, so he heated it in microwave for 30 seconds and drank... terrible, terrible stuff, especially when hot.

Swim might as well just eat about 5 percs, rather than worry about the aspirin. 5x325 is only 1625mg, not exactly a safe amount, but SWIMs taken MUCH more than this before. He was mostly wanting to do a CWE to shoot the oxycodone. If he used less water it might work, but swim's not gonna try anything that he doesn't know is safe.
  #10  
Old 11-02-2007, 02:01
Dr.Jones Dr.Jones is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 01-02-2007
94 y/o Male
Posts: 63
Dr.Jones is a decent psychonaut.
Points: 71, Level: 1 Points: 71, Level: 1 Points: 71, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

using cold water for CWE is just fine. As a matter of fact, it is the prefered method. the ONLY thing hot water would do would make the pills dissolve faster. These pills are 'instant rls' anyway, so they are litterally DESIGNED to fully dissolve within 10-20 minutes. But you crushed your pills anyway so why use hot water to help the pill dissolve.

The pink lortabs dissolve in like 40 secs
  #11  
Old 12-02-2007, 03:17
brown_chunx brown_chunx is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 29-01-2007
Male
Posts: 89
brown_chunx needs to post very carefully to avoid a ban by negative reputation.
Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

Is it really worth all the trouble. Well, it's not really that much trouble, but it's one fuckin nasty drink. How long would it take to evaporate approximatly? Could it be placed unter a heat lamp rather than out in the sun?

Would it be possible to use the extracted oxycodone and CWExtract it again, removing more aspirin (I'm sure one CWE won't get rid of 100% APAP. maybe 95% the 2nd time). It would come out to 25mg of oxy using 5 percs, which would be enough to provide a buzz if injecting, but would be a waste to eat or snort.

I'm sure it could be done, just not positive how safe it would be. Swim would probably let it evaporate into powder and cook, rather than just shooting the water. Swim doesn't want to ruin his pills though.
  #12  
Old 12-02-2007, 03:27
Forthesevenlakes Forthesevenlakes is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 26-02-2006
Male
Posts: 2,073
Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.
Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

SWIY could do another CWE on the liquid product, simply by stirring the solution, cooling it again, and filtering. This would, indeed, make SWIY's product more pure.

SWIM has never evaporated the end product of a CWE, but he's guessing it could take a day or two to evaporate all the water, but again, this is subject to many factors, including the surface area of the water and the light/heat of the area. SWIM thinks that a heat lamp would probably work as long as SWIY doesn't boil the water. The other issue here is that SWIM thinks that oxycodone is light sensitive (a quick google search says that it is, too), so actually, a heat lamp may work better than the sun. Perhaps try to get a red heat lamp so as to minimize the damage to the opiate caused by a broad spectrum of light.

SWIM does not think that injecting the CWE would really be safe though, even if SWIY evaporates the water and cooks it again. There's no guarantee that all the binders would be removed through both a CWE and filtering through cotton or a syringe filter. These techniques might make the percocet safer to shoot, but not completely safe, so again, SWIM would advise against this.
  #13  
Old 12-02-2007, 04:08
Dr.Jones Dr.Jones is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 01-02-2007
94 y/o Male
Posts: 63
Dr.Jones is a decent psychonaut.
Points: 71, Level: 1 Points: 71, Level: 1 Points: 71, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

It will not make the product more pure.

@ ~12C and 100ml 1.8 grams of codeine phosphate will solute and ~ 400mg of APAP will solute. Still a big ratio between ~25mg of oxy and 400mg APAP. Doing another coldwater wont work as all your oxy will solute, as well as a max of 400mg apap you would just stay at the same point..

IE: CWE 10 percs, and you end up with 50mg oxy and 400mg apap. Dry it out and try to CWE again, once again all 400mg of apap will solute as well as 50mg of oxy.

Why would you want to CWE twice anyway, relativly 400mg of apap isn't much.

Btw, cwe-ing and drying out to snort the powde fucking blows and isn't worth it.
  #14  
Old 12-02-2007, 04:23
Dr.Jones Dr.Jones is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 01-02-2007
94 y/o Male
Posts: 63
Dr.Jones is a decent psychonaut.
Points: 71, Level: 1 Points: 71, Level: 1 Points: 71, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forthesevenlakes View Post
that it is, too), so actually, a heat lamp may work better than the sun. Perhaps try to get a red heat lamp so as to minimize the damage to the opiate caused by a broad spectrum of light.



The high heat from the heatlamp would be more damaging to opiates than light ever would be. Heat lamps do not have a spectrum as broad as the sun, but where it IS (infrared) it is much higher than the sun.
Tanning beds anyone?
  #15  
Old 12-02-2007, 04:25
Forthesevenlakes Forthesevenlakes is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 26-02-2006
Male
Posts: 2,073
Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.Forthesevenlakes really knows their shit.
Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7 Points: 2,192, Level: 7
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Jones View Post
It will not make the product more pure.

@ ~12C and 100ml 1.8 grams of codeine phosphate will solute and ~ 400mg of APAP will solute. Still a big ratio between ~25mg of oxy and 400mg APAP. Doing another coldwater wont work as all your oxy will solute, as well as a max of 400mg apap you would just stay at the same point..

IE: CWE 10 percs, and you end up with 50mg oxy and 400mg apap. Dry it out and try to CWE again, once again all 400mg of apap will solute as well as 50mg of oxy.

Why would you want to CWE twice anyway, relativly 400mg of apap isn't much.

Btw, cwe-ing and drying out to snort the powde fucking blows and isn't worth it.
Do you have a source for this? The ratio of how much APAP is removed varies by several factors in a CWE, so the ratio isn't constant. SWIM contends that when dealing with alot of pills, doing the CWE twice would make the product more pure.
  #16  
Old 12-02-2007, 04:29
Dr.Jones Dr.Jones is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 01-02-2007
94 y/o Male
Posts: 63
Dr.Jones is a decent psychonaut.
Points: 71, Level: 1 Points: 71, Level: 1 Points: 71, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

Yes, the ratio is not constant. That is why I mentioned the tempature of the water. That is why we use cold water. And of course I have a source for this buddy.




Theory:
The logic behind the cold water extraction is that APAP is highly insoluble in cold water, whereas the opiates (as well as pseudoephedrine and caffeine, but that is neither here nor there) are highly soluble in cold water.
The following table (Source: Codeine FAQ) illustrates:

Solubility | 31C water | 21C water
Aspirin | 1g / 100 ml | 1g / 300 ml
Acetaminophen | 1g / 70 ml | 1g / 150 ml
Codeine | 1g / 2.3 ml | 1g / 0.7 ml
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1291260 There are more factors, but its shit like atmospheric pressure and other stuff you will never use.






Lets use round numbers to make it easy.

I just CWE-ed a pile of powder that had 10mg hydro and 1000mg apap (as well as binders).

I used 100ml of 22C water. In that water, all 10mg of hydro soluted and ~ 300 mg of apap (again, these numbers are just for the sake of arguement).
I evap-ed the water off. I was left with 10mg hydro and 300mg apap.


I dissolve that powder in 100ml of 22c water again. The remaining powder completely soluted. Now what are we stuck with. The exact same thing as we were when we started. I evap off the water again, just like the first time. I still have 10mg hydro and 300mg apap. You may say ' I used colder water the second time, I used less water the second time'. Well then why didn't use that colder water or less amounts of water the first time? Results would have been the same. depending on your dose, 20ml ofwater should be very sufficient for your dose, and as long as it covers the amount of powder, then the second wash wouldn't change anything.

Last edited by Dr.Jones; 14-02-2007 at 19:49.
  #17  
Old 14-02-2007, 07:20
brown_chunx brown_chunx is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 29-01-2007
Male
Posts: 89
brown_chunx needs to post very carefully to avoid a ban by negative reputation.
Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1 Points: 73, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

Obviously, when you think about it, drj is right. doing another CWE would probably just give you even less oxy/APAP than before, if anything.
  #18  
Old 14-02-2007, 10:47
Spare Chaynge Spare Chaynge is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 10-02-2007
Male from United States
Posts: 741
Spare Chaynge really adds to the discussion.Spare Chaynge really adds to the discussion.Spare Chaynge really adds to the discussion.Spare Chaynge really adds to the discussion.Spare Chaynge really adds to the discussion.Spare Chaynge really adds to the discussion.
Points: 1,839, Level: 6 Points: 1,839, Level: 6 Points: 1,839, Level: 6
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

swim would just eat all of them and take some tums to avoid upset stomach
  #19  
Old 14-02-2007, 19:48
Dr.Jones Dr.Jones is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 01-02-2007
94 y/o Male
Posts: 63
Dr.Jones is a decent psychonaut.
Points: 71, Level: 1 Points: 71, Level: 1 Points: 71, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

Quote:
Originally Posted by brown_chunx View Post
Is there any way to turn the oxy into a powder, rather than water. I guess it could be left out to evaporate... think that'd work? SWIM would much rather snort the oxy than drink some nasty ass water.

It is possible, but you will still end up with like 300mg apap and 10mg oxy. And oxy has a higher oral bioavaibility than nasal so you would get more out of drinking it. In whole, you stand to lose at least 30% of opiod activity by evaping it, and that is if you do it PERFECT.
  #20  
Old 01-12-2008, 00:26
idonotcondone idonotcondone is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: 30-11-2008
Male
Posts: 1
idonotcondone is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 15, Level: 1 Points: 15, Level: 1 Points: 15, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

Isn't what you're extracting oxycodone hcl/tartate? I've UTFSE, but I have yet to find an account of anyone using CWE and an A/B extraction to get a pure end product? Am I missing something?
  #21  
Old 01-12-2008, 02:50
TheNewLeft TheNewLeft is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: 07-06-2008
Male from Canada
Posts: 123
TheNewLeft should urgently read the rules & received reputation comments.
Re: injecting percocet with a CWE

oxy with aspirin is percodan right....ive never seen those in canada....i think over here we only have percocet

Share this on:

Tags
cwe concerns, injecting oxycodone, injecting pills, intravenous injection, iv oxycodone, oxycodone iv, pill extraction

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Experiences - Smoking Oxycodone (CWE from percocet) RoboJesus Oxycodone 0 03-05-2010 03:00
1st CWE percocet! need fentanyl advise KingBenzo Fentanyl 2 19-05-2005 04:52

» New Threads
The risk of untested pills
Last post by Ghetto_Chem
6 Replies, 105 Views
Bad news. FDA not allowing Kratom...
Last post by DepoV
20 Replies, 672 Views
Man charged in $80M drug heist...
Last post by Rob Cypher
1 Replies, 652 Views
Is LSD worth it?
Last post by OTC Junkie
29 Replies, 454 Views
South Africa changing the law on...
Last post by highstonedrifter
0 Replies, 1 Views
When do you use DXM - day or night?
Last post by Mr. Finklewoort
4 Replies, 85 Views
Concerned for friend's children...
Last post by Iggypants
0 Replies, 8 Views
How does tramadol affect you?
Last post by highstonedrifter
2 Replies, 31 Views
My struggle with Loperamide
Last post by ophelia-b
8 Replies, 358 Views
Can you have a seizure (from...
Last post by Barch
15 Replies, 4,982 Views
» New Wiki Articles

Sitelinks: Information:

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 19:05.


Copyright: SIN Foundation 2003 - 2014, All rights reserved
"Wiki" powered by VaultWiki v3.0.20 PL 1.