Generic and brand name oxycontin questions and answers

Colby · #1 09-08-2006, 05:27

SWIM came up on some oxycontin he believes, SWIM knows a lot about oxycontin, and has seen just about every pill but these.

white 10mg

10 on 1 side
abg on the other

any info would be great

**Bajeda** · #2 09-08-2006, 05:29

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21257

^^^ This thread should have made pill identification threads obsolete.

Colby · #3 09-08-2006, 05:44

thanks man, sorry I did a search just for oxycontin abg noting came up.

Forthesevenlakes · #4 09-08-2006, 07:35

swim has experience with the abg oxy's, and while he's reluctant to do a pill id over the forum, he can say that abg is a type of generic brand. the time release should be the same as brand name oxy, and it can be circumvented by wiping off the coating and crushing the pill. it crushes just the same as brand name (some generics dont), and swiy can toot it or parachute it.

ZepDoorsFloyd41 · #5 12-08-2006, 10:23

That is generic oxy. SWIM has the same kind at the moment. Same ingrediants and strenght as regular brand name 10 OC oxy.

BANGINCOLOR · #6 13-08-2006, 23:10

ABG's are probably the WORST generics for oxycontin. Along with the Enod generics. Stay away.

Also, the coating has absolutely NOTHING to do with the time release, it's all in the binder so crushing WILL remove time release but only scraping off the coating won't.

ZepDoorsFloyd41 · #7 14-08-2006, 01:42

There aren't like different types of oxycodone, so I dont see how there could be better and worse types of generic oxycontin. Unless I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure oxycodone is all the same no matter what kinda brand you get.

acexnx316 · #8 20-08-2006, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by BANGINCOLOR

ABG's are probably the WORST generics for oxycontin. Along with the Enod generics. Stay away.

Also, the coating has absolutely NOTHING to do with the time release, it's all in the binder so crushing WILL remove time release but only scraping off the coating won't.

I think you meant Endo Pharmaceuticals, not Enod.

Anyway, saying one is worse than the other and which is worst I guess depends on what you plan to do with it, because if you are planning to shoot or even snort them, then the Oxycontin generics produced by Teva Pharmaceuticals has to be the worst by far. Why?

Because if you try and shoot them up, the second they are crushed up and mixed with water, they gel up, and also, the second they are crushed up and touch the mucosal membrane inside your nose after being snorted, they gel up.

For those of you who aren't familiar with the Teva brand Oxycontin generic pills, they are the football shaped ones. Their 80mg Oxycontin pills for instance are a green, football shaped pill with the number 93 on one side of the pill and 33 on the other. They also make a 40mg pill (Orange) and are actually starting to make 20mg (Pink) pills too now. They are all football shaped, but the color and numbers that are imprinted on the pills vary.

And about the debate over which "generics suck" and the "brand name version" (Manufactured by Purdue Pharmaceuticals) being so much better is simply just a matter of preference.

By law, every generic pill that is produced MUST CONTAIN THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF ACTIVE INGREDIENTS. The only differences are the additives, binders, fillers, colors, shapes, sizes and imprints. That is it!

A Teva 40mg Oxycontin pill, contains the exact same amount of Oxycodone that a 40mg ABG (Abbott Pharmaceuticals) Oxycontin pill contains. And a 40mg ABG (Abbott Pharmaceuticals) Oxycontin pill contains the exact same amount of Oxycodone that a brand name 40mg Purdue Pharmaceutical Oxycontin pill has.

Although, everyone's body is different, while one person may have a different reaction to the binders and fillers in a pill made by Teva or ABG (Some may even be allergic), the same person may get a better high from one of the generics than from a brand name Oxycontin pill by Purdue; it's all simply a matter of body chemistry and how your body reacts to the different binders and fillers, etc.

And also to some people, it is even a placebo by saying one pill works better than the other. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if 90% or more of the cases where one person states that a brand or generic named pill works better than another is just a placebo because, like I said, by law, every generic pill that is produced MUST CONTAIN THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF ACTIVE INGREDIENTS.

Also about the time release feature of these pills, scraping of the coating does just about nothing except remove some wax and coloring. The time release feature is bound into and with the active ingredient in the pill (Oxycodone) by using whatever binders and fillers that the company chooses; therefore, the only way to really defeat the time release feature of these pills is to crush them into a fine powder.

Okay? That is it for now, if any one else has any more questions, feel free to ask. We are all here to help, that's what this board is here for.

Pz.

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BANGINCOLOR · #9 03-09-2006, 05:01

Actually, you're wrong.

The government allows for generics to be off by a certain percentage of purity. WHAT that percentage is I don't know but have read this many times.

Also, the secret recipe that purdue-pharma has for THEIR time release is the KEY to oxycontin.

An oxycodone is an oxycodone is an oxycodone but the time release is a whole other story and a story the pharm company spent millions on perfecting and copyrighting.

acexnx316 · #10 04-09-2006, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by BANGINCOLOR

Actually, you're wrong.

The government allows for generics to be off by a certain percentage of purity. WHAT that percentage is I don't know but have read this many times.

Also, the secret recipe that purdue-pharma has for THEIR time release is the KEY to oxycontin.

An oxycodone is an oxycodone is an oxycodone but the time release is a whole other story and a story the pharm company spent millions on perfecting and copyrighting.

How am I wrong? Where is your proof? Doesn't look like you have a foot to stand on. Show me where it says "generics can be off by a certain percentage". If that were the case, then why wouldn't brand name companies be able to go by the same standards and start skimping? Hmm maybe Purdue will start putting only 38mg of Oxycodone per 40mg OC pill even though the label says that it contains 40mg of the active ingredient, Oxycodone. Can you say false advertising? Boy oh boy they sure would save a lot of money!

Sure there is a margin of error for every pharmaceutical company out there. Since every damn 40mg pill can never contain EXACTLY 40mg of active ingredients every damn time; but it's not a special privilege that only generics get to go by and there certainly is no law stating that "generics can be off by a certain percentage". It's more like "All manufactured items listed with a certain amount of active ingredients must contain that exact amount of active ingredients.", and it may have a margin of error of something like .01mg if that. But you are way out in left field with your theory there buddy.

And if the "secret recipe" to Purdue Pharama's OC pills is their time release, why is it that 98% of people who use OC recreationally crush up the pills and either insufflate, IV, parachute, or plug the pills and still note a difference supposively? Hmm... maybe cuz it's mostly a placebo or perhaps a reaction to binders/fillers in the variety of different brands

If the pills are used by being crushed up and not taken by swallowing the pill whole, then why the fuck would their "secret recipe" for the time release matter or effect the outcome in any way possible if it is destroyed ? Dumb fuck.

Go brush up on your research then come back when you find something useful to post junior; cuz like I said "Doesn't look like you have a foot to stand on".

Pz.

BANGINCOLOR · #11 05-09-2006, 03:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by acexnx316

How am I wrong? Where is your proof? Doesn't look like you have a foot to stand on. Show me where it says "generics can be off by a certain percentage". If that were the case, then why wouldn't brand name companies be able to go by the same standards and start skimping? Hmm maybe Purdue will start putting only 38mg of Oxycodone per 40mg OC pill even though the label says that it contains 40mg of the active ingredient, Oxycodone. Can you say false advertising? Boy oh boy they sure would save a lot of money!

Sure there is a margin of error for every pharmaceutical company out there. Since every damn 40mg pill can never contain EXACTLY 40mg of active ingredients every damn time; but it's not a special privilege that only generics get to go by and there certainly is no law stating that "generics can be off by a certain percentage". It's more like "All manufactured items listed with a certain amount of active ingredients must contain that exact amount of active ingredients.", and it may have a margin of error of something like .01mg if that. But you are way out in left field with your theory there buddy.

And if the "secret recipe" to Purdue Pharama's OC pills is their time release, why is it that 98% of people who use OC recreationally crush up the pills and either insufflate, IV, parachute, or plug the pills and still note a difference supposively? Hmm... maybe cuz it's mostly a placebo or perhaps a reaction to binders/fillers in the variety of different brands

If the pills are used by being crushed up and not taken by swallowing the pill whole, then why the fuck would their "secret recipe" for the time release matter or effect the outcome in any way possible if it is destroyed ? Dumb fuck.

Go brush up on your research then come back when you find something useful to post junior; cuz like I said "Doesn't look like you have a foot to stand on".

Pz.

Here ya go deuce, have someone read it to you. Found this after ONE Google search:

The PK measurements performed include area under
the plasma concentration-time curve (AUC) and the
maximum or peak drug concentrations (Cmax). A
statistical procedure to analyze this data consists of
two one-sided tests. The first determines whether a
generic product (test), when substituted for a brand-
name product (reference), is significantly less
bioavailable. The second test determines whether a
brand-name product, when substituted for a generic
product, is significantly less bioavailable. The criterion
used by the FDA to determine significance is a differ-
ence of greater than 20% for both tests.
(1)
This is
expressed as a limit of each of these two tests of 80%,
and by convention, all data is expressed as a ratio of
the average response (AUC and Cmax), making the
limit for the second statistical test 125% (reciprocal of
80%). Thus, the pharmacokinetic parameters of a generic drug (AUC and Cmax) must be within a
range of 80% to 125% of the brand-name product.
Even narrow therapeutic range drugs (NTI), which
are subject to therapeutic drug concentration or
pharmacodynamic monitoring, are permitted to fall
within this range.

Generics are allowed to be 20% OFF. I'll do the math for you with an 80mg oxycontin. Generic 80mg oxycontins are allowed to have 64mgs of oxycontin in them.

How's that tooboy? Here's the link if you don't believe.

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&cd=10

Forthesevenlakes · #12 05-09-2006, 04:05

that report, while interesting, doesnt mean that generics can have 64 mg of oxycontin in them. they MUST contain 80 mg of oxy. what that report does mean is that the oxy that is already present must be within 80% to 125% bioavailability. this bioavailability can be influenced by other things in the pill, such as the time release, fillers, etc. not just how much oxycodone is actually present in there. its just to make sure that whatever the generics put in their pills besides the active ingredient dont mess with the absorption too much.

BANGINCOLOR · #13 05-09-2006, 04:14

Well, 80% bioavailabilty leaves you with 64mg oxy in your blood.

I see what you are saying........you can go into an Endo factory and watch them put 80mg oxcodone into their oxycontin tablets BUT, if they mess up the rest of the process and LESS than 64mgs makes into your blood, no good.

Forthesevenlakes · #14 05-09-2006, 04:40

right, i'm not sure 80% is always absorbed orally but you have the right idea. the bioavailability depends not only on whats in the pill but route of administration, what else is in your system, etc.

BANGINCOLOR · #15 05-09-2006, 05:00

Well then the FDA allows generic to be 20% LESS bioavailable and like I said, purdue-pharma paid millions to devlop the delivery system in oxycontin.

It ain't just oxyconde balled up in some wax!!

acexnx316 · #16 05-09-2006, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by forthesevenlakes

that report, while interesting, doesnt mean that generics can have 64 mg of oxycontin in them. they MUST contain 80 mg of oxy. what that report does mean is that the oxy that is already present must be within 80% to 125% bioavailability. this bioavailability can be influenced by other things in the pill, such as the time release, fillers, etc. not just how much oxycodone is actually present in there. its just to make sure that whatever the generics put in their pills besides the active ingredient dont mess with the absorption too much.

Took the words right out of my mouth

Pz.

ilovevicodin · #17 05-09-2006, 18:24

I would't base my knowledge around ONE internet source, especially one that looks as non-professional as the one you cited. I'm not saying the site provides false information, but if generic pill quality varied by that much, there wouldn't be much of a point in having .25 and .5 mg pills.

BANGINCOLOR · #18 05-09-2006, 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovevicodin

I would't base my knowledge around ONE internet source, especially one that looks as non-professional as the one you cited. I'm not saying the site provides false information, but if generic pill quality varied by that much, there wouldn't be much of a point in having .25 and .5 mg pills.

Well, there IS a reason 120 count of generic percocets at Walmart cost $159 and brand name costs $350. How do you justify the price increase.....advertising??? It's because they know that only 80% of the generic you bought is bioavailable.

The only reason that site looks cheezy is because it really should be in .pdf format but the link I posted was in .html format just in case someone didn't have a .pdf reader.

If you have a need to be impressed, here is the same page in .pdf format.

http://www.rheumatology.org/publicat...%20variance%22

jmarsala · #19 07-09-2006, 00:51

SWIM has obtained 10mg oc generic. I think made by endo (E705 or whatever). SWIM is used to shooting H, 80mg ABG/OC etc.. SWIM wants to know if these generic versions are water sol. for iv purpose.

Thank you guys!

jmarsala · #20 07-09-2006, 06:18

Welp no reply gee thanks guys from SWIM! - Anyways SWIM tried, and does not recomend as:

1. Endo made OC Have a TON of binders and fillers, even an 80mg will leave you with a clump of nastyness.
2. These by far are the worst to rig per se SWIM.
3. SWIM thinks its ok to insuff but SWIM thinks it burns and makes cough.
4. SWIM thinks anything is better then footballs (teva) to insuff.
5. SWIM thinks its footballs (TEVA) are only good for rectal,oral, and to rig.
6. SWIM thinks to rig a football is the same way as would MS-Contin bcz Wax
7. SWIM thinks the best is all around for insuf,oral,rec,iv,im,sub is ABG & OC 8. If SWIY wishs to insuff. (SWIM Ranked I-V, I being best):
I. OC/10,20,40,80 by Perdue Pharma (Orginal Oxycontin)
II. ABG/10,20,40,80 by Watson Pharma (Generic, Exact replica of Orginal)
III. E702/10,E703/20,E705/40,E710/80 by Endo Pharma (Generic & Burns)
IV. 93/24,93/31,93/32,93/33 by Teva Pharma (Generic Footballs Wax Up)
V. G161/10,G162/20,G163/40,G164/80 by Impax (Untested, New2market)

SWIM Loves oxycontin. The taste, the feeling of well-being/euphoria. SWIM does not mind the constipation as SWIM just goes when its time to come. SWIM thinks not going kaka every day is a tad bit unhealty but whatever. The only side effect SWIM hates hates hates is the constant and perfusly swetting. SWIMS body does not sweat, not even underarms but moreso SWIMS face drips of constant water and annoys swim.

SWIM also wants to inform everyone that drugs are addicting. Oxycontin in all forms is very expensive. Even on the westcoast its almost 50cents/per MG. So basically $40/80MG. SWIM thinks the prices went down a lot due to the generics being released as an 80MG now goes for around $30 ($20-$25 if SWIY is friends with dealers). SWIM also wants to inform all that Oxycontin withdrawls are horrid and unbareable. SWIM thinks methadone is exchanging one drug for another and does not worth as methadone withdrawls are worse even if tapered. SWIM says the only way to quit all opoid addictions is to either a. cold turkey (best and fastest way, people who do optiats are usualy babys and shudder/cry at the first sigh of withdrawl. Suck it up take ammodium ad, vitamins, drink lots of fluids usualy gatoraid/water with elcrtolytes and eat healthy. Hot baths and excerise helps dearly) b. Suboxone, Bupeanorphine or Subutex all are half-opoids and SWIM says its a wonder drugs for addicts. Doctors usualy wish for you to be on it for 6mo's. SWIM thinks they want you on it so long is because of the money made by both doctors visits and perscription compants and because it also gets you out of the habbit of hanging with the wrong crowd, gives you time to get away from the dealers and friends assoicated with the used drugs and it gives SWIY time away from doing ones drug of choice. Suboxone is best in SWIMS opinion because its comes sided with naltraxone with is an opoid antagonis. It will block all effects of euphoria if SWIY decides:

"Hey, SWIM has a huge amount of suboxone, this means I can get high with no withdrawls in store."

Well Suboxone has a half-life of 24–60 hours. This means if SWIY decides they want to rock some H or do some OC, the user will not feel the effects until the naltraxone is out of SWIYS system. Thus having to wait a few days. Who wants to wait that long to get hizzy.

SWIM was bored and wanted to be somewhat helpfull. Again SWIM does not recoment opiates to anyone as they are not worth the money and withdrawls. SWIM just recently quit and is attending NA and possiably rehab as quitting is the easy part, staying quit is the hardpart.

Enjoy all, SWIM wants comments please feel free to speak openly.
PS. sorry for spelling.

radiometer · #21 07-09-2006, 06:40

Spelling is not an issue really, but please refrain from using slang, especially in thread titles. Many people here are not from the US, or are over 40, and thus have no fucking clue what "O'Sizzle" is.

I don't know the answer to your question, though, sorry.

Forthesevenlakes · #22 07-09-2006, 06:52

yes the slang made swim realize he's not as hip as he used to be! but yes, the generic oc's often have fillers that make them turn to gel when they are prepared for IV. this effectively prevents them from being IVd. but it seems swiy already found that out for swiyself? as far as the second post, swiy should consider posting it in the recovery and addiction forum. it contains alot of stuff swim agrees with, but it'd make more sense to put it there. sorry to come off as a martinet, swim is just trying to help ya learn the rules =]

Cybershark · #23 16-09-2006, 21:34

Hey Guys,

Swim needs your guys help. Swim went to his dealer and bought the normal 80 oxycontins or he thought. When swin got home he looked at them and they looked exactly the same size and color but instead of on 0C on one side there was and imprint of ABG. I have read that is a generic for of OC 80. Swim's question is are these as goos as the original 0C 80's or did Swim get some garbarge generics? Swim wants to know all about these before he takes them. Thanks in advance for your answers!

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Forthesevenlakes · #24 16-09-2006, 22:38

hi,

thank you so much for using SWIM in SWIYs first post. in many lab rat's experience, the ABG generics are exactly the same as the brand name in terms of potency and routes of administration. the time release mechanism can be bypassed by curious swims in the same manner; by removing the waxy coating and crushing them.

other people will tell swiy that the generics somehow have "less oxycodone" in them and things like that, but most lab rats dont think there is any difference. medication is standardized in the united states...if the pill is supposed to contain 80 mg of oxycodone, it will.

Cybershark · #25 17-09-2006, 02:22

Swim, Tried the Teva 80's before and got a very bad high from them so Swim was concerned these were not the same quality as the name brand )C 80's. Swim knows the Teva's suck so Swim was wondering if these act and feel the same way as the OC brand name 80's do. Thanks in advance for your help again!

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