4-AcO-DMT Legal in the USA?

[sg43]

SWIM recently heard something that made him question if this compound is actualy legal in the USA?

"Esters are specifically illegal. As 4-AcO-DMT is the acetate ester of psilocin, as opposed to the phosphate ester, it is definitely illegal!"

And then he also heard this:

"About the legality of 4-aco-dmt, found this on another forum
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esters are specifically mentioned, controlled,

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esters and salts of esters are specifically mentioned in the CSA. For example, The various fentanyls are for the most part esters of the same chemical, though it is inactive on its own. Esters are typically metabolised quickly into the original -OH group, though it is possible that the ester itself could be active, it should be able to get into the brain easier but its all just a guess.
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You are correct about fentenyl but the mention of esters in the CSA is under the opiates section not the hallucinogen section.

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...d_sched1.shtml

So 4-aco-dmt would not be covered as an ester. It would be covered under the analogue act. Also, I imagine it would pretty much impossible to to make 4-aco-dmt without having some trace of 4-ho-dmt in it, which would make it illegal that way too.




A friend analysed some of this 4-aco-dmt (LC/MS) and found no psilocin in it, actually the stuff is so stable it was *hard* to get it to degrade into psilocin - unless excessive NaOH was used (enough NaOH to take care of the 2-fumarate's and the acetoxy group + extra), if way extra NaOH was used it starts to turn Blue actually..(everything dissolved into water, blueish water) producing other degration products"

He understands that this compound as well as may others are illegal under the analouge law IF for human consumption, but would this compound be illegal to have in the first place?

[OrganicMusic]

well after all the information you posted, it looks like the answer to your question would be:

The judge would have to research all of this and a make a decision him/herself.

You do make SWIM much more nervous about possession of this chemical after reading.
thanks for the education

[Nagognog2]

Deep beneath the ice-pack that is Greenland (until SUV's melted it) was a place where all good things came to rest...

Listen kid - all they got to do is sprinkle enough cocaine on a sample of a legal chem. Say it's coke. And away you go. Straight to jail as you quibble about chemicals and science. The judge yawns and goes home to masturbate to his photos of the people he's sent to "Da Big-House."

Get a grip. Everything is illegal - or will be by the time you get to Court. Bury it under the police chiefs's lawn.

[Bassic]

America is really that bad? I mean, I realized there was a certain amount of corruption in America but really? Got any sort of evidence for a claim that they'd actually do this Nag?

[Desertfox]

he speaks only truth

[podge]

Originally Posted by Bassic

America is really that bad? I mean, I realized there was a certain amount of corruption in America but really?

From what swim has heard if they really want you.....they WILL get you. More than likely if its small time id imagine it wouldnt be too big a deal ......that said it would depend on the moral fibre of the officer in question and their mood at the time.

[chAos]

Originally Posted by podge

From what swim has heard if they really want you.....they WILL get you.

That's true in every country, in belgium they are prosecuting the parents of a baby who died in a car accident (in the car with the parents) because a drunk hit them, they prosecuter says the couple is guilty of unintensional killing of the baby because the seat for the baby wasn't put in exactly as it should have been.

[turkeyphant]

Originally Posted by sg43

the mention of esters in the CSA is under the opiates section not the hallucinogen section.

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...d_sched1.shtml

So 4-aco-dmt would not be covered as an ester. It would be covered under the analogue act. Also, I imagine it would pretty much impossible to to make 4-aco-dmt without having some trace of 4-ho-dmt in it, which would make it illegal that way too.

He understands that this compound as well as may others are illegal under the analouge law IF for human consumption, but would this compound be illegal to have in the first place?

Nog's pertinent point aside, 4-AcO-DMT is only covered by the analogue act and is not a Schedule I Controlled Substance. The Hallucinogens subsection clearly states:

Unless specifically excepted or unless listed in another schedule, any material, compound, mixture, or preparation, which contains any quantity of the following hallucinogenic substances, or which contains any of its salts, isomers, and salts of isomers whenever the existence of such salts, isomers, and salts of isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation (for purposes of this paragraph only, the term ``isomer'' includes the optical, position and geometric isomers

There is no mention of esters, so it would only be controlled by the analogue act. For all the reasons already mentioned though, it would not be wise.

[snapper]

Nagognog2, yer a buzzkill !
SWIM thought that this molecule is a great idea, but it is also too close to home. Though it would fall under the auspices of the analog act, it could (1) be most easily correlated to psilocybin / psilocin, and (2) could break down to psilocin in trace amounts. Sorta like the people that got nailed for bufotenine traces in toads, while the 5meoDMT remained unprosecuted. The law only needs a trace of something illegal to bust you, and in this case wouldn't even have to waste any cocaine. That means more blow for the judge, and maybe even some confiscated kiddie porn !

[Nagognog2]

I'm sawwy, Ollie! Far be it for me to prevent overtime-pay for some goons dressed in black wearing masks and toting H&K MP5's!

[snapper]

Don't forget hazard pay - psychedelic users are unpredictable and violent when hepped up on research chems and gasoline. Gasoline is often found in the drug user's environment, making it another one of drugs of choice, and is probably why they are so crazy and dangerous. In fact, they arre potentially explosive when peppered with bullets ..
Huffin' gas - what next ??!! Does depravity know no boundries !!!???
Most of them have a kitchen full of glassware, draino, cold remidies and rubbing alcohol too. Call in the decontamination squad !