Amphetamine comedowns -Is there a non benzo/non hypnotic remedy

[humdroid]

Hello

Would anybody please be able to let swim know if there is something which will stop symptoms of vommitting, weakness, sweatiness and general ill feelings when speed wears off. Anything other than the following

Benzodiazepines
Opiates
Sleeping pills
Alcohol

Many thanks

[Nicaine]

Kratom tends to help with stimulant comedowns, although it won't cure everything.

[Darksanity]

An hot shower helps. SWIY might want try stuff like L-Theanine, Taurine, and Phenibut. There are many other compounds that could help

[Darksanity]

Here are a few that helped me a lot :

• L-Theanine
• Valerian
• L-Tryptophan/5-HTP
• Taurine

Also eating or drinkin protein+carb shakes with a multivitamin&mineral is good. Digestive enzymes are a great help too (to ensure optimal absoption of any food intake).

[Darksanity]

Forgot to mention that, in SWIM's case, cannabis helps a lot too!

[Freaky]

Protein shakes to replace all those lost/depleted amino acids, and/or Horlicks made with milk (for the protein).

Magnesium supplements can also ease that agitated feeling...help to keep tolerence low too. There's also no harm (after the milky drinks have settled) in having a juice drink high in VitC to boost your recover process.

I'd also agree with Darksanity about the cannabis from what a friend has told me, alchohol (not too much, say a glass, 2 max of wne) together with a joint really help them feel chilled and relaxed again

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Hmmm the most sure fire one I know of is don't do amphetamines!But somehow I don't think SWIY is interested in that one.SWIM doesn't have alot of experience with amphetamine other than ritalin and adderall but a hot shower and laying down in a cool,dark room seems to help.Then again SWIM always took the easy route and went for a unisom(doxylamine succinate)or diphenhydramine.

[kizevin]

SWIM normally takes valium and then eats a full meal. While the benzo calms him, he replensishes his fuel with an actualy meal. It is important to stop and do that at some times.

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[Nacumen]

SWIM truly despises amphetamines and similar stimulants. SWIM stopped after the euphoric feelings began lasting for literally only a few minutes, while the comedown lasted for half a day. SWIM depleted his dopamine receptors to sh*t time and time again, and now he's paying for it. Every time SWIM has sex, he feels that the comedown is the exact same as the comedown from stimulants - and it may very well be. SWIM battled the comedown with 5HTP and eating - though the eating would not help unless it was quality, non-processed food.

The advice I'll leave you with is this - prescribed stimulants are the man's way of KEEPING YOU IN LINE. You can argue - but I wont listen. If you respect yourself, stop taking that sh*t unless you absolutely have to. And no, taking stimulants so you can change your grades from a B to a B+ does not fall into the category of absolutely having to.

But really, you're up to do what you want. I just strongly advise against run-of-the-mill stimulant use and abuse, especially methylphenidates. If you have to stay awake, pop a caffeine tablet, tip back a little bit of DXM, or take a low dose of the 2C family. Just forget those crude amphetamines.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Nacumen

SWIM truly despises amphetamines and similar stimulants. SWIM stopped after the euphoric feelings began lasting for literally only a few minutes, while the comedown lasted for half a day. SWIM depleted his dopamine receptors to sh*t time and time again, and now he's paying for it.

Tends to happen with stims that deplete dopamine, particularly amphetamines. Not so much with dopamine reuptake inhibitors (e.g. MDPV, bupropion, methylphenidate, cocaine to some extent).

Every time SWIM has sex, he feels that the comedown is the exact same as the comedown from stimulants - and it may very well be.

Yes, dopamine levels drop immediately after sex.

SWIM battled the comedown with 5HTP and eating - though the eating would not help unless it was quality, non-processed food.

Why not through dopamine precursors such as L-Tyrosine? Or a dopamine reuptake inhibitor like bupropion? Or even direct dopamine agonists like L-Dopa (available as the herb Mucuna Pruriens).

But really, you're up to do what you want. I just strongly advise against run-of-the-mill stimulant use and abuse, especially methylphenidates. If you have to stay awake, pop a caffeine tablet, tip back a little bit of DXM, or take a low dose of the 2C family. Just forget those crude amphetamines.

Hmm, maybe this person could apply a bit more research to harm reduction than SWIY appeared to be capable/willing to do. If so, they might have substantially better luck and less potential problems.

P.S. re: the comedown -- SWIM now recommends gabapentin/pregabalin, if the OP is able to procure it (easier said than done sometimes).

[Nacumen]

SWIM has kept his eye out for L-Tyrosine, L-Dopa and L-Trytophan in supermarkets but has not been able to find them, however SWIM did not go looking further than that. Isn't L-Dopa RX-only though, along with most dopamine agonists and the like?

Also, SWIM finds the comedown on methylphenidates 3x as bad as the comedown on amphetamines - strangely the opposite of what the apparent norm is.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Nacumen

SWIM has kept his eye out for L-Tyrosine, L-Dopa and L-Trytophan in supermarkets but has not been able to find them, however SWIM did not go looking further than that. Isn't L-Dopa RX-only though, along with most dopamine agonists and the like?

L-Tyrosine and L-Phenylalanine can be found through health food stores, and of course online. As far as L-Dopa, it's available as an herbal product called Mucuna Pruriens (try a Google search on that one). Not sure how well it would work by itself tho, i.e. without something to help get it across the blood-brain barrier (there's another drug used for that, forgot what it's called).

Also, SWIM finds the comedown on methylphenidates 3x as bad as the comedown on amphetamines - strangely the opposite of what the apparent norm is.

Hmm, everyone's different. Reuptake inhibitors are more likely to cause receptor downregulation than depletion, so i.e. should only have nasty aftereffects with regular/chronic use.

[tommy_01]

hmm...
what about fighting fire with fire?

swim has found that small doses pseudoephedrine or caffine sometimes help to give a bit of a lift on comedowns...but if you just want to go to sleep then that would be no help.

[hotrod83]

I would not bother with Ldopa as it does not pass the bbb (this is why its not used for parkinsons)

[hotrod83]

ignore my last post. im wrong.

[bhamjoel]

Regarding the marijuana: remember that for up to approx 30 minutes after smoking, marijuana actually acts as a stimulant. If pot makes him paranoid, it would not be a good choice at all.

L-Theanine is good. It acts on GABA to reduce stress (in a way similar to Xanax).

He/she might also consider Welbutrin or the like, as someone else mentioned. Any antidpressant that hits dopamine at some level.

If he/she was using speed for a legitimate reason (ADD,etc), he/she may want to consider trying Provigil instead, or at least to temporarily help with the withdrawals. It is a psycho-stimulant but not nearly as strong as amphetamines.

I know these suggestions are late for this person, but it may help someone else.

[Dexyfiend]

Mild antipsychotic drugs such as olanzapine(zyprexa) work wonders just make sure you DO YOUR RESEARCH as these are very serious drugs and not too be trifled with