Drug info - Catmint (Nepeta Cataria)

[Only]

Swims been looking into catmint lately...looking to hear of any experiences/opinions/advice?

Thanks..

[Thirdedge]

Waste of time smoking. Brew a strong tea using 25 - 30 grams and drink the lot for a mild relaxed high.
Mixes well with Damiana, same prep as above but half of each.

[boylizard]

Originally Posted by thirdedge

Waste of time smoking. Brew a strong tea using 25 - 30 grams and drink the lot for a mild relaxed high.
Mixes well with Damiana, same prep as above but half of each.

SWIM got good results from ~10 grams and about 3.5 grams of marihuana brewed up.

[catchdog]

When SWIM was bout 5 or 6 he ate loads of the stuff, as it grew in his garden. I guess he saw his cat getting messed up all the time and didn't want to be left out. Well, he certainly acted weird after eating it, but maybe SWIM was just weird.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by boylizard

SWIM got good results from ~10 grams and about 3.5 grams of marihuana brewed up.

Could you elaborate on this? Specifically what results were achieved and does swiy attribute the effects of the brew more to the cannabis, the catmint, or can he tell that its a distinctive combination of both?

Swim has some catmint (Nepeta cataria) on the way and is wondering if anyone has information on it or experience with it they would like to share. It would probably help swim experiment with it.

[Ruby]

Are you talkingabout catNIP ? I didn't think it had an effect on humans My cats are junkies tho, so they take it! One cat just lies down contentedly while his brother acts like he is tripping.

[boylizard]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Could you elaborate on this? Specifically what results were achieved and does swiy attribute the effects of the brew more to the cannabis, the catmint, or can he tell that its a distinctive combination of both?

Swim has some catmint (Nepeta cataria) on the way and is wondering if anyone has information on it or experience with it they would like to share. It would probably help swim experiment with it.

Hm, it was likely placebo then - SWIM has heard thc is soluble and that it is insoluble.

[Nagognog2]

Originally Posted by boylizard

SWIM got good results from ~10 grams and about 3.5 grams of marihuana brewed up.

Marijuana simply brewed with water would be inactive as THC is insoluble in H2O. Catnip is sold as a cathartic in pharmacies (at least it was). The package stated to brew it as a tea using several teaspoons. My cat loved his pharmaceutical "cat-dope."

[Nicaine]

SWIM's cat seems to get quite a high from it .

[Bajeda]

^^^^

Catmint is the original catnip

[Only]

Catmint, catnip, catnep...its all the same: Nepeta Cataria

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Only

Catmint, catnip, catnep...its all the same: Nepeta Cataria

Yes and no. There are several hundred varieties of these similar substances. The 'nips' and 'mints' are differentiated between and produce different effects. Its all similar, but there is somewhat of a differentiation.

[Only]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Yes and no. There are several hundred varieties of these similar substances. The 'nips' and 'mints' are differentiated between and produce different effects. Its all similar, but there is somewhat of a differentiation.

Interesting, thank(swi)you

[Bajeda]

I wouldn't simply attribute it all to placebo like that. Granted, I forgot to mention to you that the marijuana needs a fat or oil for the THC to be effective as it isn't soluble in water. Still, too many people claim "placebo" on many ethnobotanicals simply because they don't prepare them correctly or the effects are quite subtle at the dose taken. If you said you got good effects from the combo in the tea then why would you just attribute it all to placebo right away once marijuana is removed from the picture? Placebo could be a factor but possibly the catmint was responsible for effects. Another problem with ethnos is the wide variety of possibilities for a given substance, with many possible varieties sold as the same thing. You could quite possibly order the same ethno from a number of sites and get different results from each one, depending on what was ordered.

Anyone have any recommendations for how swim should experiment with nepeta cataria? He is planning on trying smoking it by itself, smoking it with cannabis, and then maybe using the rest to make a tea. Any other ideas for swim?

[boylizard]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

I wouldn't simply attribute it all to placebo like that. Granted, I forgot to mention to you that the marijuana needs a fat or oil for the THC to be effective as it isn't soluble in water. Still, too many people claim "placebo" on many ethnobotanicals simply because they don't prepare them correctly or the effects are quite subtle at the dose taken. If you said you got good effects from the combo in the tea then why would you just attribute it all to placebo right away once marijuana is removed from the picture? Placebo could be a factor but possibly the catmint was responsible for effects. Another problem with ethnos is the wide variety of possibilities for a given substance, with many possible varieties sold as the same thing. You could quite possibly order the same ethno from a number of sites and get different results from each one, depending on what was ordered.

Anyone have any recommendations for how swim should experiment with nepeta cataria? He is planning on trying smoking it by itself, smoking it with cannabis, and then maybe using the rest to make a tea. Any other ideas for swim?

As far as catnip goes, make a tea - it does feel good. Very calming effects. Anyway, SWIwe just used boiling water to make 'herbal' tea with swims green, plus swiwe were baked anyway. SWIM used no oils or fats to extract it, so swim doubts SWIwe got much. SWIwe did however put the rest of the pot on a pizza and cook it in

[DrMuffy]

Originally Posted by boylizard

As far as catnip goes, make a tea - it does feel good.

Yes, SWIdr has tried smoking catmint many times, and they were all very weak experiences. But when he makes tea from the mint, he gets much more noticable effects, which also last longer.

[Thirdedge]

Swim has tried smoking catnip, both fresh dried herb, bought cut and dry herb, bubblehash extract and liquid spray extract from petstore with zero effects.
Many souces claim Catmint needs to be mixed with tobacco and increases psychoactivity of the tobacco rather than producing its own effects - swim tried smoking this combo also with zero effects.
So, swim made a tea with 25 grams - nice relaxation and a mild high feeling. Much milder than Cannabis but still enjoyable.

Catmint contains a mildly toxic hallucinogenic compound called Nepetalactone.
Nepetalactone is a terpene composed of two isoprene units, with a total of ten carbons. Consitiuents of catmint are: - Volatile oil, carvacrol, citronellal, nerol, geraniol, pulegone, thymol and nepetalic acid. - Iridoids, including epideoxyloganic acid and 7- deoxyloganic acid. - Tannins. Its chemical structure is similar to that of the valepotriates derived from the herb valerian, which is a mild central nervous system sedative (or stimulant to some persons).

Reputation Comments on this post:

Excellent info! thanks, I was wondering if it might be more similar to something like valerian instead of marijuana.

[Heretic.Ape.]

I have just read a post in one of the groups from a person worried about their son using catmint. Are there any dangers she should be aware of?

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by Heretic.Ape.

I have just read a post in one of the groups from a person worried about their son using catmint. Are there any dangers she should be aware of?

Not really from the herb other than the usual dangers associated with smoking. Excessive dosages of tea may cause vomiting. If one were to extract pure Nepetalactone there could possibly be dangers.



The following is a Babelfish translation from a German website describing how to extract a powerful smoking compound from Catmint:

Treatment for the substantial intensification of the effect: 1. The herb is cooked 20 minutes in acetic acid essenz about 10 -, whereby the mixture should color itself brownish. 2. The whole is neutralized after cooking with about 1-2 essloeffeln baking powder or better emperor soda (if it foams is correct it). 4. With a filter the sheets are then washed, pressed out under the tap and dried best in the sun on a newspaper. Now one can smoke it, then it is taken up best by the body. Caution! The effect is very violent after this treatment!

[thrackelsby]

I think this may be helpful, I DO NOT RECOMEND using pure nepetalactone for any reasons, it is ten times more effective as an insect repellent than deet so don't underestimate just cause it comes from catnip, but anywho:

The link for pure nepetalactone extraction procedure:
http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-...atnip-extract/

Though I do not recomend this, one could extract the nepetalactone and reintroduce it to the leaf, much in the same way standardized salvia leaf is made.

[kryptik]

don't waste your time smoking it, it's weak that way... swim has about 2 oz of it, and hasn't tried it as a tea yet.

[Johan73]

Swim got four ounces of organic catmint from an herb wholesaler. Swim is 200lb male 35y/o. Swim got it to share with his cats. His cats liked it very much and it smelled nice and aromatic so it seemed to be fresh.

Swim smoked some in a rolling paper and it had a calming kind of light headed pleasant result. Swim smoked more in a water bong and got similar results. Swim does like to indulge in the catmint once in a while for relaxation. Swim hasn't tried it as a tea, but is interested to try it now.

Swim has also tried the catnip mixed with some pipe tobacco. The result seemed nice but a little more jittery. Swim attributes that to the nicotine as swim does not use nicotine very often at all.

Has any swiy's tried that acetic acid method translated from German above? It sounds interesting.

[Ally420]

When (a floating eye) had an outdoor garden (a floating eye) would grow it and once a year in early summer (a floating eye) would harvest the majority of the fresh leaves and flowering tops. (A floating eye) would harvest enough to completely stuff a large cappuccino cup (30-60g fresh leaves?). (A floating eye) would add a little honey and then cover in boiling water and steep for until cool enough to drink through a mate straw. This same cup of catnip could be re-steeped at least 3 more times. (A floating eye) would drink the tea as fast as possible. By the end of the second cup (a floating eye) would have obtained a very happy, giddy, drunken intoxicated state with impaired coordination and motor skills. This was accompanied by distinct sparkly visuals stronger than what is usually described as accompanying mdma, mipt, or moxy but less colorful or intense as those which usually are suppose to be seen with LSD, mushrooms or mescaline intoxication. Per cup this state lasted around 30-45min and could be extended with the booster cups.

(A floating eye's) cats do not like fresh catnip, prefering valarian root instead.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Nice info, but please do not self-incriminate when discussing use of ethnobotanicals, legal or not http://www.drugs-foru...
	Thank you so much for this information. SWIM might just use this method with the amount suggested.

[Mickeld]

SWIM has heard that BOZO the clown likes to smoke Catnip out of a Bong. SWIM also heard that the Bong is filled with rum. SWIM also heard that the rum kind of gives it a somewhat sweet flavor, almost reminescent of fruit.

[Junkhead23]

Pacman would like to try catnip as he has heard that it produces a mild euphoria. Is it legal??