Alone with Ecstasy

[xtzy]

HELLO EVERYONE!
SWIM really likes MDMA but none of his friends do (they havnt tried good stuff though, only speedy pills). SWIM don't have any friends to roll with, they have rolled once with SWIM and have a good time but only once, they like to smoke weed or do coke better <--- ?.
So SWIM is in a dilema... since he couldnt get his friends to roll with him, he did it alone in his house twice and both were awsome (SWIM's 5th and 6th time). Soo the last one was about 3 weeks ago and SWIM just got a free pill from his dealer (the same last pill, really good). He is planning to roll in the next couple of days (again, alone), but SWIM doest know if he should keep doing this (every time SWIM do it he likes it more) or wait for a rave or for one of his friends to reconsider rolling insted of building up tolerance.... or becoming an addict.... (SWIM has only done it 6 times!! [two of them crappy pills, with little to no effect]).
Any thoughts would be great =)!

[CRUNK]

Doesn't it get kinda lonley when your by yourself rolling? Swim will not roll unless there is some kind of social setting. Cause one of swim's favorite things to do while rolling is to talk.

[Nacumen]

Rolling at a concert/rave/electric club > Rolling with the ladies > Rolling alone/with friends

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Nacumen

Rolling at a concert/rave/electric club > Rolling with the ladies > Rolling alone/with friends

Thats completely opinion. I know people who have great experiences rolling by themself, often much better than if they had gone to a club. And alot of people would much rather roll with a select group of friends rather than with women they don't know. It depends on what you are looking for; dancing like crazy, partying, sexual encounters, emotional insight, better relationships with those close to you, etc. Not everyone is looking for the same thing out of MDMA.



As for rolling alone, its quite likely you will focus on deeper issues thanks to the lack of distractions so it depends on whether you want to deal with those or not. Swim likes rolling at clubs and raves, but he feels that you get a much deeper and more meaningful experience with less people or even lack of them.

[pankreeas]

Swim also prefers rolling ( as well as tripping ) alone. The reason swim likes it better with noone else around is simply because others can have too much of an effect on his high. Swim tends to over-project his energy/epiphanies onto other people, and gets very pre-occupied with how everyone else is doing, and if someone else isn't having a good time... it's over for swim. Thats not to say he refuses to do it with others, he just prefers solitude for his endeavours.

[xtzy]

Originally Posted by CRUNK

Doesn't it get kinda lonley when your by yourself rolling?

NOT AT ALL, because SWIM, when rolling, is thinking in so many stuff that the company of a friend doesnt seem very important at that moment. And I also know that if SWIM is rolling alone on a friday night, saturday he will go out with his friends for sure. Maybe if you roll alone once you could have a different perception/opinion about being lonley... or maybe not... =P!!!!

[darawk]

SWIM has only rolled at raves, however he feels that rolling alone would pale in comparison to rolling at a rave. But then, he's never tried it alone, so he couldn't say for sure. SWIM suggests SWIY find out when the next rave in SWIY's area is, and if it's within a month or so wait to roll until then.

[pirate24]

xtzy, swim has the same problem, only he hasn't taken any of his pills yet (still looking for somebody who will do it with him). Swim hasn't taken x before and wants his first time to be special and is wondering whether it would be worth it to just roll alone. Or should he put it off until he finds others to roll with?

Also, what does everyone think about going to raves by yourself while rolling? I say this because swim is usually very introverted and is worried about feeling awkward

[CRUNK]

Originally Posted by pirate24

Also, what does everyone think about going to raves by yourself while rolling? I say this because swim is usually very introverted and is worried about feeling awkward

I know a kool guy who goes out sometimes by himself sober. And this is the thing, if you plan on going out by yourself, try to talk to as many people as you can, or else you will just feel like an odd ball stuck in a little corner. Now, if you go out to a rave while rolling? Your problems are gone because your just naturally not giving a fuck about what others have to think of you, your talkative, and your also having a blast. So the issue about feeling awkward shouldn't even be an issue if your out rolling.

Peace mang!

[quili]

Swim prefers rolling with others. She loves dancing and pleasing others while rolling, so company is always welcome. As for rolling the first time by yourself, swim would not recommend this. Neither would she have wanted to go to a rave by herself the first time. Granted, rolling makes her more extroverted than usual, she would still much prefer being with friends. And ideally, being at a rave with friends.

[Nagognog2]

MDMA is not just for dancing and getting dehydrated on. It can be used well for personal research into one's psychological makeup and studying different subjects.

Bongo would enjoy using both entactogens and psychedelics while studying maps of the world and reviewing the changing borders and history. While he found social interaction to be certainly fun, he found doing world historical reviews far more "enlightening."

[old hippie 56]

Agree with Nag, last time swim tried some MDMA, it was quiet and peaceful at the house. He was able to do some real soul searching. He was able to put some demons to rest finally, after many years of torment.

[xtzy]

what about addiction, would SWIM be more likely to become an addict if he continues to roll alone...?
Thanks for the replies! =D

PS. Yeah the first time must be with some friends ! or at a rave !. Then SWIY would know the effects = ).

[dnb warrior]

SWIM doesnt think you would be any more likely to develop an addiction by taking it alone than taking it with others... any more likely that is, the key is to have some self control. thing is SWIM has been to the other extreme of this dilemma, he found himself in a position where all his friends were pillheads and he couldn't have a good time socialising without taking E. it became a social habit, at the time he was using at least once a week. this isn't a good position to be in. the point SWIM is trying to make is that yes addiction could develop but he doesn't really see that taking it alone is any worse than taking it socially from this point of view. just dont pop pills on a whim make sure u treat em with respect.

SWIM personally doesnt go to raves on his own but he knows plenty of people who do, its not that unusual. if u want a chat the best thing to do is go and hang out in the toilets! its amazing how often at raves someone goes off to the loo then half an hour later when SWIM is starting to get worried he finds them still there with some guy named bob proposing a toast to their new business partnership! or something.


or like nagognog and old hippie have suggested u could definately try a quiet night with just you and the MDMA getting intimate with each other. SWIM is interested in trying this himself!

[CRUNK]

A fat bastard doesn't see how rolling by yourself can be any fun. I guess because the fat bastard is so used to rolling in a social setting, friends, and raves. But the fat bastard can see doing something like tripping by yourself, because you can think about things from a different point of view. Whereas with ecstacy, you just automaticly look for the good in everything, which there's nothing wrong with, but swim feels that acid is more of a 'real' drug.

Sorry if I got off topic a little bit, but swim just doesn't see how any good can come out from rolling by yourself.

[old hippie 56]

Try rolling by yourself once, and swic will see the difference.
Plus, explain 'real' drug, if you please.

[Vincent12]

SWIM has tried it many times by himself and has had some very insightful experiences that wouldn't have happened if others had been around, but it is always more fun to do in large groups of people SWIM thinks. Also, be careful because SWIY tendencies to do it whithout someone else will lead to SWIY doing it much more often i think.

[CRUNK]

Originally Posted by old hippie 56

Try rolling by yourself once, and swic will see the difference.
Plus, explain 'real' drug, if you please.

What I meant by that was, LSD has more of a 'real' feeling to it, like you can be yourself on it moreso than you can be on ecstacy. Because face it, ecstacy kinda forces you to feel happy, acid on the other hand just amplifies your thoughts and feelings.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by CRUNK

What I meant by that was, LSD has more of a 'real' feeling to it, like you can be yourself on it moreso than you can be on ecstacy. Because face it, ecstacy kinda forces you to feel happy, acid on the other hand just amplifies your thoughts and feelings.

I disagree with that basic evaluation. I think that while lsd's effects are enhanced senses, you get alot of very different thought patterns and perspectives on things than you normally would sober. Ecstasy doesn't 'force' you to do anything, it simply removes social anxieties and other inhibitions so that you can express yourself more freely, or at least thats how swim feels about it. The fact that you aren't as confused mentally on E makes it better for therapeutic purposes than LSD I think. Also, while drugs do have certain trends in their effects, you can't really create blanket generalizations to describe them, as in the quote above.

[CRUNK]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Ecstasy doesn't 'force' you to do anything, it simply removes social anxieties and other inhibitions so that you can express yourself more freely

Yeah it removes social anxieties and other inhibitions because of all the seritonin that got released into your system. You basicly just repeated me with different wording.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by CRUNK

What I meant by that was, LSD has more of a 'real' feeling to it, like you can be yourself on it moreso than you can be on ecstacy. Because face it, ecstacy kinda forces you to feel happy, acid on the other hand just amplifies your thoughts and feelings.

Originally Posted by Bajeda

I disagree with that basic evaluation. I think that while lsd's effects are enhanced senses, you get alot of very different thought patterns and perspectives on things than you normally would sober. Ecstasy doesn't 'force' you to do anything, it simply removes social anxieties and other inhibitions so that you can express yourself more freely, or at least thats how swim feels about it. The fact that you aren't as confused mentally on E makes it better for therapeutic purposes than LSD I think. Also, while drugs do have certain trends in their effects, you can't really create blanket generalizations to describe them, as in the quote above.

Originally Posted by CRUNK

Yeah it removes social anxieties and other inhibitions because of all the seritonin that got released into your system. You basicly just repeated me with different wording.

My statements were quite different than yours. In fact I said practically the opposite of what you said. I was talking about how acid changes your state of mind so the thoughts and feelings you encounter are different than what you would normally perceive, while E removes social anxiety so you can better exhibit your natural tendencies, hence you act 'yourself' more. We said quite different things if you take the time to look at what was posted, regardless of what you may have 'thought' while writing.

[pankreeas]

Originally Posted by CRUNK

What I meant by that was, LSD has more of a 'real' feeling to it, like you can be yourself on it

If LSD has a "real" feeling to it you are either A./ doing it way too damn much or
B./ getting some really bunk stuff.

I'd suggest you goto erowid.org and have a look through all the trip reports on LSD, as well as ones on MDMA, and if you have time read the reports on the combination of the 2. You will soon realize that as Bajeda stated, generalizations on drugs effects cannot be made as it depends on your mindset going into the trip, and the process of the trip. If someone was having a great time on lsd and had a tragic situation happen, then all the new feelings would be amplified. Exactly what a bad trip is. When your comfort level is overshadowed by fear , guilt, etc...

[CRUNK]

Originally Posted by pankreeas

then all the new feelings would be amplified.

Didn't I just say this a couple of comments up^? You just repeated what I said with alot more detail.

[quili]

Swim actually rolled by herself for the first time today after reading this thread. She ended up with people at the end, but was by herself for a good while before hand. Definitely a more enjoyable experience than she might have expected, though she didn't feel like it was particularly enlightening. This was probably due to the poor quality of it more than anything else. Swim would do it again for sure.

[namooP]

That kinda depends on the user too. MDMA can give you the comfort and reassurance to face up to something you would otherwise find difficult, which acid might not.