Opinions - Whats the most euphoric sleeping pill and/or benzo

[deekyleeky]

Anyone have any suggestions as to what swim should buy if he wanted a really euphoric high from a benzo or sleeping pill??? Swim is thinkin about getting midazolam... is this a decent euphoric high???

[Klaus]

Swim likes Tamazepam a lot.

[testodan]

Originally Posted by deekyleeky

Anyone have any suggestions as to what swim should buy if he wanted a really euphoric high from a benzo or sleeping pill??? Swim is thinkin about getting midazolam... is this a decent euphoric high???

But think about midazolam is used for anesthetic purposes on surgeries.

[Nicaine]

SWIM enjoys both Ambien and Lunesta (should be a similar buzz to zopiclone) for the euphoria. But he's something of a rarity, many just get drowsy or even experience hallucinations and memory blackouts from these drugs.

P.S. Ambien is the most euphoric sedative-hypnotic he's tried.

[Broshious]

Although this doesn't really answer your question SWIM has tried Clonazepam twice and both times SWIM has very faint memories of enjoying himself and then SWIM blacks out for the remainder.

[boylizard]

SWIM never got a euphoria from clonazepam. none that seem distinct. alprazolam, however... im not even gonna go there. It was godlike.

[DrMuffy]

In SWIdr's opinion, triazolam (Halcion) is the most euphoric benzo, but zopidem (Ambien) has a wider variety of effects (Hypnotic, muscle relaxant, and somewhat of a hallucenogen) which can be just as good.

[angeliclight]

Hi everyone, I'm a zombie right now because I just experienced lithium poisoning yet again, which I will post about if I can sleep for a few hours. The only thing I can use for sleep is Klonopin, spelled differently on the bottle (I can only see with one eye closed, don't worry I went to my psychiatrist right away thank god). I have taken 2.5 mg. so far and it's almost 7 a.m. My sister just left for work and I'm going to lay down again. What's my point? Benzos do not always do what you want them to do. You have to pick and choose. Lunesta and Ambien doesn't do anything but string out SWIM's Manic Depressive friend, which is not the effect SWIM is looking for, but someone else might be.

[Riconoen {UGC}]

Triazolam all the way. it's almost like an opiate high.

[ironmics]

A small dose of valium with some sort of stimulant to relieve the sedative effects is wonderful for swim. He's just used caffeine and he had that little extra pop in his step and a smile on his face. However he hasn't tried anything like klonapin or xanax yet. I wouldn't recomend taking valium without some kind of stimulant because it'll just put you to sleep.

[upperdecker]

SWIM thought that Klonopin (Clonazepam) was the most potent benzo, is it not?

[Jatelka]

look here....

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16708

for benzodiazepine equivalence

[DrMuffy]

Originally Posted by angeliclight

[COLOR=darkred]Hi everyone, I'm a zombie right now because I just experienced lithium poisoning yet again, which I will post about if I can sleep for a few hours. The only thing I can use for sleep is Klonopin, spelled differently on the bottle (I can only see with one eye closed, don't worry I went to my psychiatrist right away thank god). I have taken 2.5 mg. so far and it's almost 7 a.m. My sister just left for work and I'm going to lay down again. What's my point? Benzos do not always do what you want them to do. You have to pick and choose. Lunesta and Ambien doesn't do anything but string out SWIM's Manic Depressive friend, which is not the effect SWIM is looking for, but someone else might be.COLOR]

SWIdr would suggest that SWIY ask his doc for the presciption drug, Ativan (Lorazepam), which is a short-acting benzodazepine. Also, SWIdr doesn't know if this would help, since Zaleplon is similar to Ambien, but its a pretty good prescription sleep aid called Zaleplon which is a fast-acting hypnotic which can work fantastic for some people. The brand name (for US) is Sonata, so SWIY might also want to check into that.
Also herbal remedies can help too, the following enhnobotabical and herbs can be combined or used by themself fot positive results: Kava kava, wildflower, valerian root, passion flower, melatonin, reishi mushrooms,Hops, thyme, scullcap etc.

EDIT: Sorry for getting off topic : (

[svenghali]

Klonopin has always supplied a nice euphoric feel for SWISven, alprazolam is too overpowering, although can be nice for a night of low activity or to end a night of some speeding. Diazepam is not noticeable enough. Somehow SWISven thinks that Klonopin is the happy median...

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by testodan

But think about midazolam is used for anesthetic purposes on surgeries.

It is prescribed in most Europian countries, probaply Greece as well, for serious cases of insomnia, though only for short periods.

[=Mobius=]

10 x 10 mg zolpidem (and some codeïne)

Zolpidem has his abuse potential (together with flunitrazepam) that if you don't go to sleep an intense euphoria can overwhelm you. Take notice of the fact that you'll not remember what you have done the day after.

[DrMuffy]

Originally Posted by =Mobius=

10 x 10 mg zolpidem (and some codeïne)

Zolpidem has his abuse potential (together with flunitrazepam) that if you don't go to sleep an intense euphoria can overwhelm you. Take notice of the fact that you'll not remember what you have done the day after.

Is SWIY implying to take 100mgs of zopidem (10x10=100), because that is a very bad suggestion in SWIdr's oppinion. Of course SWIdr could be mistaken, but a dosage of 5-20mgs of zopidem will cause alot of euphoria (not to mention a little amnesia). Plus CNS depressant+CNS depressant is never really a good idea (epecially for new users). Be careful what SWIY says here, because someone might actually take it seriously and end up getting their stomach pumped....or worse...

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Thanks for looking out for the forum

[Jatelka]

[top]Mobius

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SWIJ knows that certain flamingos take enough sleepers to knock out your average rhinocerous (?sp).

However DrMuffy was spot on. SWIY cannot go throwing these numbers about and pretend it's normal or advisable. People WILL read what you write and accept it.

"All except one person fully recovered". Well that's one person too many.

*DO NOT TRY THIS ONE AT HOME*

[Psych0naut]

Why isn't Rohypnol mentioned yet? That's probaply the most recreational benzodiazepine around.

[testodan]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

Why isn't Rohypnol mentioned yet? That's probaply the most recreational benzodiazepine around.

From what i've tried i agree.And i do have tried some stuff lol.

[pillz]

swim has basically used most of the common benzos and beleives that valium(diazepam) is the best because it isnt just a benzo. it doubles as a skeletal muscle relaxant. very very relaxing high

[DrMuffy]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

Why isn't Rohypnol mentioned yet? That's probaply the most recreational benzodiazepine around.

SWIdr would definatly say Rohypnol is up there, but once he tried triazolam (Halcion) it was put to shame.

Originally Posted by pillz

swim has basically used most of the common benzos and beleives that valium(diazepam) is the best because it isnt just a benzo. it doubles as a skeletal muscle relaxant. very very relaxing high

Yes, this factor would make Valium preferable for alot of people, except some just cannot stand its darn half-life..

[=Mobius=]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

Why isn't Rohypnol mentioned yet? That's probaply the most recreational benzodiazepine around.

That's the one (also mentioned in my previous post) but even in a country where meth is prescriped under the Brand Name "Desoxyn", the drug has not been approved by the FDA for medical use, and is considered to be an illegal drug.
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But first of all I would give SWIYDR a "virtual handshake" because of a misunderstanding. My excuses for my bad English but I thought it would be clear that this was a sarcastic answer because there is no possibility to getting "really euphoric" with using benzo's. Only when you abuse them but then you should take your responsibility, these are no !!

One thing is for sure : either posting her on a "Drugsforum" or beïng a flying monkey... or having also a live out of this forum...SWIM can assure you that he is not posting in a "high" or in an "altered state of mind". There are some exceptions : when I have sported, been under pressure in a positive way, dancing around the whole night and of course when I can make profit of my libido (1), erection (2) and at last orgasm or ejaculation (3).

Practically all men I know have problems with 1, 2 and 3 when just using their daily dosage meth, SSRI's, benzo's, coke, speed, alcohol etc.

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So SWIYp knows also exactly what damage this pill have done in our countries, as far as Belgium concerns it's the only benzo which falls under the regulation of psychotropic substances and is strictly controlled. The 1mg form is only prescribed at patients used to have them for a while. The price for the Brandname "Rohypnol" 1,72€ for 10x1mg. Price for the generic version "Flunitrazepam" 1,33€ for 10x1mg.

Halcion is obsolete because of causing severe side-effects.

What was the DEA thinking about in 1996 ?

In recent years, the drug flunitrazepam, more popularly known by its trade name Rohypnol, has emerged as a significant abuse and trafficking problem in the United States. In fact, the 1996 National Drug Control Strategy contains a section on Rohypnol. This drug is not approved by the Food and Drug Administration for marketing in this country, and is smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico and various Latin American countries.
Abuse of this drug has created a serious health threat to both the abuser and the community. Untold numbers of unsuspecting young women are being victimized and abused by criminals who spike their drinks with Rohypnol, so much that Rohypnol has gained notoriety as the "date rape" drug.
As DEA's Deputy Director of Diversion Control, I am responsible for the control and regulation for chemicals and legitimate pharmaceutical drugs under the Controlled Substances Act. Rohypnol is currently listed in Schedule IV of the Federal Controlled Substances Act. Schedule IV ordinarily includes substances with a low potential for abuse, and substances that have a currently accepted medical use for treatment in the United States. Rohypnol meets neither of these requirements. Rohypnol was placed in Schedule IV in 1984, following international control of the drug under the Convention on Psychotropic Substances.
It has recently become clear that the current level of control is not adequate to combat abuse and trafficking of this drug. As a result, DEA is seeking to move flunitrazepam, the active ingredient in Rohypnol to Schedule I, a more restrictive schedule, which includes drugs with a high potential for abuse and no accepted medical use in the United States. Other drugs currently included in Schedule I are heroin. marijuana, and LSD.


What is Rohypnol?
Flunitrazepam is a tranquilizer developed in the 1960s and early 1970s by Hoffman-La Roche, Inc., and first marketed under the trade name Rohypnol in Switzerland in 1975. Rohypnol is 10 to 20 times more potent than Valium (diazepam). This class of drugs is used to treat anxiety, convulsions, muscle tension and sleep disorders. Its powerful sedative effects can last up to 12 hours, with some residual effects occurring as late as 24 hours later.
Low doses of Rohypnol may cause drowsiness, dizziness, motor incoordination, memory loss, gastrointestinal upsets, headache, reduced blood pressure, visual disturbances, dry mouth, and hangover. Higher doses can cause coma, respiratory depression, and even death. In southern Florida, six deaths occurred in which flunitrazepam use was found during autopsy.
Rohypnol impairs mental judgment and reaction time, and individuals who drive under its influence increase their chances of automobile accidents. Law enforcement officers have frequently reported observing severely impaired driving ability in motorists who have used Rohypnol along with small amounts of alcohol.
Today, Rohypnol is legally marketed in 64 countries in Europe, South America, Africa, the Middle East and Asia. Although Rohypnol is the most common trade name product containing flunitrazepam, in many countries there are additional generic and trade name products. Rohypnol is abused in many counties where it is approved for marketing. Much of the abuse in these countries involves heroin addicts, and recently DEA has become aware of the abuse of Rohypnol in Mexico and Colombia. Use and Abuse in the United States
The effects of Rohypnol, also referred to as "Rophies," "Roofies," "Ropes," and "Roach-2," are similar to alcohol intoxication, and there are three distinct patterns of abuse of this drug; alone for its intoxicating effects; in combination with other drugs; and for the purpose of rape.
Those who abuse Rohypnol include middle school and high school students, college students, rave party attendees, and heroin and cocaine addicts. The middle school, high school and college students either use Rohypnol alone or more commonly in combination with alcohol or marijuana. Those who attend rave parties often take amphetamines to stay awake throughout the night and may take Rohypnol tablets to ease the effects of the amphetamine use. Heroin addicts use Rohypnol to potentiate the effects of heroin, while cocaine addicts use it to modulate the effects of cocaine binges.
Sexual predators and street gangs take advantage of the sedative and memory loss effects of Rohypnol to incapacitate women and commit sexual assault. The severe mental incapacitation, along with the amnesia produced by Rohypnol, makes it difficult, if not altogether impossible, for the rape victim to recall the circumstances surrounding her sexual assault.
The use of Rohypnol to commit sexual assault has earned it the street names of the "Forget Pill," the "Date-Rape Drug," "Trip-and-Fall," and "Mind-Erasers." In one recent case in Broward County, Florida, a convicted rapist boasted of using Rohypnol to rape as many as 20 different women. Adding to the complexity of the problem of Rohypnol use in the commission of rape, is the victim's difficulty in remembering facts surrounding the incident, compounding the problem of successful rape prosecution for law enforcement agencies. In Texas, street gangs have been known to administer Rohypnol to females in order to commit gang rape as part of initiation into the gang.


Trafficking of Rohypnol
Since the mid-1980s, Rohypnol has been found in the illicit drug traffick of many countries. Studies completed by the World Health Organization in 1990 and 1994 revealed at least 35 different countries in Europe, Asia, South America, Africa and the Middle East in which Rohypnol was sold illegally.
On May 4, 1995, near London, England, authorities seized a record 100,000 Rohypnol tablets from the owner of a pharmaceutical distributor. The investigation revealed that the product had been manufactured in Belgium and was intended for distribution in Egypt.
Between 1985 and 1991, DEA had three cases or less each year involving Rohypnol. In 1993, that number climbed to 15, primarily in Texas and Florida. By 1995, DEA had 38 Rohypnol investigations. By March 1996, DEA had initiated 108 cases, and the United States Customs Service had 271 cases. Nationwide, state and local law enforcement reported 2,067 cases involving the illegal distribution or possession of Rohypnol. The street price for a 2-milligram Rohypnol tablet ranges from $1.75 to $5.00.
In Florida, there has been a dramatic increase in the distribution of Rohypnol. Between 1990 and 1992, there were 14 state and local law enforcement cases involving flunitrazepam. By 1995, that number had risen to 480--an increase of over 3,000 percent. Prior to 1994, the cases were located almost exclusively in Dade County, Florida.
By 1995, the distribution of Rohypnol had spread throughout the state. Rohypnol is smuggled into Florida from Colombia and other Latin American countries through the use of international mail, courier services, by passengers on commercial airlines.
Due to this widespread abuse, which presents an imminent danger to the public, Robert A. Butterworth, Attorney General of the State of Florida, moved to adopt emergency legislation which transferred flunitrazepam to Schedule I(a) of the Florida Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act. This action significantly enhances the penalties for abuse and trafficking in flunitrazepam.
Texas has also been the site of large increases in the distribution of Rohypnol. In 1990 and 1991, DEA documented eight cases involving Rohypnol. By 1993, the number of cases increased to 169 cases, and by 1995, the number of cases had nearly tripled to 483 cases and distribution had spread throughout the state.


Rohypnol enters Texas by two methods: ( l ) Simple smuggling across the U.S. - Mexico border; or (2) the abuse of the provisions of 21 USC 956(a), which exempts from the requirements of the Controlled Substances Act an individual who legally possesses a controlled substance for personal medical use.

Rohypnol is a prime example of unapproved drugs which enter the United States under this exemption. Abuse of this provision significantly contributed to the spread of Rohypnol throughout the United States. Quantities of Rohypnol and other controlled drugs were being carried from Mexico across our border after being declared to United States Customs. In mid-1995, a three-week survey at the Laredo, Texas, footbridge disclosed that Rohypnol tablets ( 101,700) were declared on 796 of the 1,678 declarations filed with United States Customs and subsequently legally entered the United States.

The Federal Controlled Substances Act allows for this under the personal use exemption of 21 USC 956 and 21 CFR 13 1 1.27. DEA officials have met with officials from U.S. Customs and the Food and Drug Administration. Based on the provisions of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, which prohibits the introduction of drugs not approved for use in the United States, Customs is now prohibiting the importation of flunitrazepam.
Since mid-1995, DEA laboratory examinations have confirmed that all DEA domestic cases involving Rohypnol has involved the Hoffman-La Roche brand.


DEA Response and Proposals
In response to the increased threat to our communities and citizens posed by Rohypnol abuse and trafficking, DEA has taken several specific actions.
First of all, DEA has begun the administrative process to move flunitrazepam from Schedule IV to Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, which imposes more severe punishment for those trafficking in this illegal drug.
Second, DEA has proposed changes to the regulations which will drastically reduce the amount and number of controlled substances that may enter the United States for personal medical use.
Third, DEA has initiated numerous investigations of major traffickers.
Fourth, to address the problem of individuals abusing the personal use exemption, early this year, DEA, Customs, and the FDA formed a working group to formulate policy governing the entry of pharmaceutical controlled substances into the United States.
Finally, DEA has developed and circulated an information brochure on flunitrazepam which details the distribution and abuse of this drug.
In addition to these steps, the Administration has proposed legislation that would give the Attorney General the authority to administratively reschedule Rohypnol without engaging in the administrative procedures that are normally required for rescheduling a drug on the Controlled Substances list.


Conclusion
Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, DEA considers the abuse and trafficking of Rohypnol to be an extremely important issue with the potential for significant and devastating effects on the people of this country.
We appreciate your support and concern in this matter, and look forward to working with this Committee and the Congress

to prevent Rohypnol from reaching the epidemic proportions we've seen with the abuse of crack cocaine and methamphetamine.

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Other sources

Flunitrazepam: an evaluation of use, abuse and toxicity.
Forensic Science International, Volume 122, Issue 2-3, Pages 136-141
H. Druid

Flunitrazepam abuse and personality characteristics in male forensic psychiatric patients.
Psychiatry Research, Volume 103, Issue 1, Pages 27-42
A. Daderman

http://www.websters-online-dictionar...itrazepam.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flunitrazepam

http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/pharm/pim021.htm

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flunitrazepam

In The Netherlands they have even 30 pills/box à rato 1mg
http://www.roche.nl/product_specs.ph...ol&vorm=1%20mg

So SWIM hopes that with this post he has given INFORMATION in a rational way. SWIMS hopes also that if one attends to get an euphoric high with benzo's that one should be informed that hostility, agression, psychosis are common with Rohypnol, ALL Lady's watch out when you lose your drink out of sight. They did it even with me in a bar but I saw it just at time and forensics said it was Rohypnol ...

SWIM has read that the worst of all benzo's was previously Temazepam in an injected form. Untill they had put a gel in it with all consequences, death is the price you can pay for being addicted at benzo's. It must be very severe if you even see that you are injecting a gel into your veins knowing it can kill you.

Last word : worldwide Belgium is nr. 1 in using benzo's.

Flunitrazepam is illegal in the USA.






DO NOT LINK TO DEA ETC. SITES.

[soma]

For my kitten:

1. Temazepam
2. Alprazolam
3. Lorazepam

(and this is out of a list of the following: Temazepam, Alprazolam, Lorazepam, Clonazepam, Diazepam, Oxazepam, & Midazolam. It should be noted that my kitten cannot remember any of the midazolam experiences, so they could be good, but cannot be sure.)

[flying2]

erimin-5 , trizolam , midazolam