MET freebase trip reports

[Abrad]

SWIM has found a report insufflated use, apparently fully active at 15mg.

Originally Posted by Another Forum

Trial 1:

Insufflated 15 mg MET freebase

I was initially told that this was the HCl salt, but after my first trial, I was informed that it was the freebase ... which may have been why it burned like hell. After about 5-10 minutes of an agonizing burn, I felt a definite alert. It quickly escalated to a somewhat DMT-like state. It was much more than I expected from such a low dose. I was planning on insufflating a small amount and going to hang out with some friends and maybe have a nice buzz. Well, that didn't happen.

I spent about 15 minutes examining the walls in my new apartment, as I had become convinced that they were blue ... they are completely white, but I couldn't convince myself otherwise. There was also some noticable wave-like motion on all flat surfaces. Other than that the visuals were not too impressive, but I felt like there was a lot of potential. It was similar to maybe 10-20 mg DMT smoked, except much more gradual in and out. My balance and motor skills went downhill pretty quickly, but it wasn't really uncomfortable ... kind of like DMT. I was somewhat annoyed that I was feeling the effects this strongly, when I wasn't expecting it. I finally got around to putting on some music, which really helped out. Overall, the plateau lasted for about 45 minutes, with a gradual decline ending at about 3 and a half hours.

Now that I know it is a freebase, I may try smoking it next time. I'm guessing that it would be more like DET smoked since it doesn't get broken down as quickly as DMT.

Am I right that the HCl salt would burn less insufflated? I doubt I will try insufflating again, so I guess there's no point in converting it. And I'm guessing that the freebase will work fine orally, although it seemed pretty caustic when I put it on my tongue. Maybe capping it would be a good idea.

I'll write a full report when I take this to interesting level ... this was just an introduction.

This report has piqued SWIMs interest, although SWIM always understood that the compounds such as this, in their freebase form were not active when snorted.

[dondante]

^^That was my report. I haven't had time to give it another try. MP is around 50 deg Celsius for the freebase I believe ... should be okay to vaporize (not sure of BP). If DMT and DET are okay to vaporize, I'd assume this is as well. Oral dosage is reported in Tihkal at 80-100 mg.

It's quite different from the 4 or 5 substituted tryptamines as one would expect. And DMT is a very poor analogy because of the brevity of the experience. It is probably quite similar to DET, from comparing my low dose MET experience to Tihkal DET reports. Unfortunately, unless you have tried DET, this comparison is useless. I suspect that this material is pretty heavy stuff at higher dosages, and has the potential to lead to amazingly beautiful or terribly frightening experiences. Proceed with caution...

[fatal]

it only makes sense that if you can smoke the diethyl and the dimethyl the methylethyl should work also... dondante, pretty please have your friends cousins neighbors pet playpus smoke some of this shit... originally this seemed to be far too expensive from the vendor offering it but if 15mg works...

[rodent]

Anyone go down this road yet?

dondante, have you tried vaporizing yet?

Please don't force my overly curious kitten to
buy it, only to try it... hmmmph...
/me forces kitten to put cc down and step
away from the pc

[dondante]

There is one other person that has given it a try:

Originally Posted by Hugo

So 105mg was taken orally as the fumarat salt,equaling about 81mg base. First effects were noted in 20min.,an initial tachycardie was attributed to "first time anxiety" as blood pressure and pulse remained unchanged through the whole experience.A rapid development from 25min to a +2 at 35' with some nausea lead to a peak at 50min.It was very optic in a DMT manner with CEV (green,red,blue) and lots of object shifting,color enhancement.And it had a very erotic feeling to it,altough I felt somewhat dizzy.Effects started to drop at 1h40min,not much left at 3h and completely out at 3.5h,"ready for the outside world" to cite TIHKAL.The only annoying side effect was a strong diuretic component at the comedown.

While not actually reaching a plus 3, I was surprised by this rather strong activity as DPT on the other hand is almost inactive p.o. in me,needing at least 200-250mg to get above a +1.MAO seems to have much more troubles with MET.
Maybe with higher doses one might be able to enter DMT world peroral?

Surely an interesting substitution pattern on the Indolethylenamin.

I've been too busy to try it again, but perhaps in the next few weeks I will give this one another try. I am excited about this compound ... I'm willing to bet it's pretty intense, but who knows how useful/interesting it will turn out to be.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Very useful information, thanks!

[anj0vis]

one trip report (of a couple of experiences) in erowid now:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=54930

[QGdoxl]

I have seen it availible to swim in his area from an online supplier and was wondering if anyone had any experience with the stuff. Swim searched eworid and only found 1 report. Anyways it sounded interesting to swon and thought he would ask around if anyone had researched it.

thanks

[snapper]

Weak and like DPT with less intense stimulation. Actually preferrable given the lack of peripheral stimulation / effect.
SWIM found visuals at doses of ~50mg vaporized similar to DMT but the visuals were more fluid and better as CEVs. At lower doses, the CEVs predominate and are actually quite unique. The duration of effect is shirt (1-2hrs) and the onset slower than DMT. Seems to take a little longer to reach the peak like DPT can. SWIM has not tried salting and IM administration or METhuasca but thinks that both may bring out the full effect of the substance. It is not cheap / dose and tastes nasty like all vaporized tryptamines, but it is a very worthwhile substance in SWIM's opinion.

[fastandbulbous]

I read one persons report who said that it was active orally at 100mg without a MAOI. Can anybody confirm this or was that poster just having a Walter Mitty moment?

[genaro]

beside DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, are there any tryptamine RCs known as able to induce a fullblown breakthrough (when smoked)?
...meaning able to take you completely away from this world, leading you to an entirely new dimension, a trip to another world

Dpt, Met, Det, Dbt maybe? what about their 5MeO analogues?

[Nagognog2]

Take 5-MeO-DET off the list. It's toxic feeling and nasty bell-ringing-in-head effects might take you to another world. Ruled by Satan! Yech!

[snapper]

DPT could give one a beakthrough experience at a high dose. MET would likely also be able too at a higher dose. Smoking the latter is probably prohibitive, though SWIM is most intrigued with what a high dose of MET has to offer, given the unique character of the effects of a low dose. SWIM plans to push the envelope with this when SWIM has time to do so...
5meoDET is one of the few RCs SWIM has no desire to try...

[trptamene]

This is the only mention I can find of it in tihkal:

Originally Posted by Tihkal entry for MIPT

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY : This is the simplest tryptamine with the somewhat magical pair of nitrogen substituents, a methyl group and an isopropyl group. Why should this combination allow a molecule to be orally active, even though the conventional thinking is that if there is a methyl group there, the amine oxidases will destroy it? My sense is that it is the N-small-group that does the job in the brain, and it is the N-big-group that keeps the inactivating oxidase enzymes away from the nitrogen atom. This is consistent with the N,N-dimethyl compound (DMT) not being orally active. Lying midway between DMT and DIPT is the ethyl compound, N-ethyl-N-methyltryptamine, or MET. It can be made by adding ethyl acetate to a reaction mixture where the formamide of tryptamine (see under NMT) has been reduced to NMT but there is still a goodly excess of hydride still remaining. The free base, as an oil, shows oral activity in the eighty to one hundred milligram range, so going from a methyl to an ethyl does indeed protect the compound from total enzymatic annihilation when taken orally.

Also found this experience report:

Originally Posted by another forum

I’ve become fairly experienced with psychedelics in the past year. I have tripped about 40 times with 15 different substances and close to 30 of those are from this past year. I have sampled MET one other time at a threshold dose.

Trial 1:
Insufflated 15 mg MET freebase

I was initially told that this was the HCl salt, but after my first trial, I was informed that it was the freebase ... which may have been why it burned like hell. After about 5-10 minutes of an agonizing burn, I felt a definite alert. It quickly escalated to a somewhat DMT-like state. It was much more than I expected from such a low dose. I was planning on insufflating a small amount and going to hang out with some friends and maybe have a nice buzz. Well, that didn't happen.

I spent about 15 minutes examining the walls in my new apartment, as I had become convinced that they were blue ... they are completely white, but I couldn't convince myself otherwise. There was also some noticable wave-like motion on all flat surfaces. Other than that the visuals were not too impressive, but I felt like there was a lot of potential. It was similar to maybe 10-20 mg DMT smoked, except much more gradual in and out. My balance and motor skills went downhill pretty quickly, but it wasn't really uncomfortable ... kind of like DMT. I was somewhat annoyed that I was feeling the effects this strongly, when I wasn't expecting it. I finally got around to putting on some music, which really helped out. Overall, the plateau lasted for about 45 minutes, with a gradual decline ending at about 3 and a half hours.

Now that I know it is a freebase, I may try smoking it next time. I'm guessing that it would be more like DET smoked since it doesn't get broken down as quickly as DMT.

Trial 2:

Prologue:
Finally I get the chance to explore the potential of this compound. I meet up with one of my good buddies around 8:00 p.m. in his apartment. He thinks it would be fun to trip there since he'd just moved in and bought a new LCD HDTV, which, on his budget seems like the biggest waste of money I could think of, but I must admit it is pretty damn impressive. Anyway, we planned on getting started by smoking the freebase out of a common freebase oil pipe. I first placed 20 mg MET in the freebase pipe and we took turns taking small hits. My second hit, I inhaled too fast and burnt my throat pretty badly. I was discouraged as there was still some MET in the pipe after 2 hits each. I wasn't feeling anything other than a faint lightheadedness and my lungs weren't feeling too good so we decided that this wasn't going to work.

T+0:00
At 8:30, another friend shows and we all ingest the powder in a capsule (90 mg for me, 75-80 for both of them). The one friend that just showed up is fairly experienced with psychedelics, but has never tried anything other than the traditional mushrooms and LSD. The other was not quite as experienced, but had tripped with me before on mushrooms and 4-AcO-DET. We had all eaten dinner within the last hour and a half so this may have slowed the absorption quite a bit. We spent the next hour smoking bud, waiting, and watching an amazing Discovery Channel documentary in HD about coral reefs. The Ambi-light makes me feel like I'm underwater. I don't think this is due to the drug though.

T+1:15
We all have been feeling a distinct body buzz coming on, but it seems like it has started to level off. I feel like stretching and walking around. The room looks a little brighter, and when I close my eyes, there is some mild patterning. Other than a general increase in luminosity and some accentuated reds and greens, there are no impressive OEVs. I propose that we try smoking it again. This time we figure out the proper technique. You need to keep the flame at least an inch from the bottom of the pipe and inhale very, very slowly. I put about 50 mg in the pipe and split it with the friend that showed up later. The other friend wants to be cautious and make sure the oral dose was not just slow to develop. I probably smoke 20 mg and my friend smokes 30 mg (2 hits each). I feel an immediate change in headspace that is reminiscent of DMT. I quickly poured another 50 mg in the pipe and smoked an estimated 30 mg.

I was now in MET space, kind of like DMT space except I'd been perhaps a little further out with DMT. When I closed my eyes, I experienced a similar phenomenon to what I usually experience on DMT. Immediately upon shutting my eyelids, 3-dimensional space vanished. I felt like I was a point on a vast 2-dimensional plane. There was no concept of in front of or behind for me. There were no entities to speak of, but there were visual cascades of signals from my retina gone haywire. Colorful kaleidoscopic patterns dominated my visual field. I felt amazing. I was able to walk outside on the deck and enjoy the fresh air. The peak probably lasted about 15 minutes, but unlike DMT, the comedown was very gradual. With DMT, I feel like I'm pretty much at baseline after 30 minutes, but MET was much longer acting. We ventured into my friend’s bedroom and listened to some Bob Marley. For some reason I wasn't really feeling it, which is weird because I usually love Bob Marley when I'm tripping.

T+2:00
I finally got my friend who hadn't smoked to take a few hits, but he really just couldn't get the technique down. After smoking what was maybe 10 or 15 mg in 3 hits, he kept completely exaggerating how he was feeling. He would not stop talking about how amazing he felt and how he was tripping so hard, but just by the fact that he was talking so clearly and so much, I could tell that he was barely tripping at all. This was slightly irksome. I'm sure he felt great, because the body buzz is very euphoric and somewhat reminiscent of MDMA, but it was obvious acting on his part. We put on some Flaming Lips per my request and I instantly felt 100x better about the situation.

T+2:15
At this point I still had some lingering visual effects but I wanted a boost. I added some MET to the pipe to about 50 mg total and we split it. I probably smoked about 20-25 mg, the one friend smoked another 20-25 and again the other smoked maybe 5 mg. I didn't really care anymore, and it was kind of funny trying to get him to do it the right way. For the next 45 minutes I floated through MET space while the music created beautiful morphing tunnels and churning visual displays. The other two went back to watch TV, but I could not bring myself to get up. I felt so utterly peaceful.

T+3:00
I finally joined the other two watching TV and we talked for a while. I was feeling a little spacey, but since the second smoked dose was smaller, I was already beginning to return to normality. I think I could have enjoyed the effects at least for another hour, but by redirecting my attention to conversation and the TV, the effects faded more quickly. An hour later I returned home. I spent some time on BL because I had some residual stimulation. I reread my first trip report which was interesting to do under the influence. I could almost transport myself back to that experience. Finally I fell asleep about 3 and a half hours after my last smoked dose at around 2:30.

Summary:
I enjoyed the experience, but felt that the oral dosing was insufficient, at least at 90 mg. I doubt I will ever try to dose orally again, and insufflation is out of the question. I think IMing and smoking are probably the best routes.