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Old 25-01-2007, 11:20
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The Dutch policy of tolerating the sale and use of marijuana and hash in small amounts will not exist anymore in 10 years, so has Health Minister Hans Hoogervorst predicted at a drugs congress in Mexico. He expects that the Dutch drugs policy will become increasingly stricter in order to get in line with the rest of Europe.

In the past eight years the softdrugs policy became much stricter already. The amount of coffeeshops declined with 40% and in 80% of the Dutch municipalities coffeeshops disappeared completely.
According to Hoogervorst the image of an extreme tolerant softdrugs policy is no longer a correct refection of nowadays reality.

Source: Nederlands Dagblad
11-01-2007
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Old 25-01-2007, 13:09
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

Not a great surprise unfortunately. Whenever you see a light at the end of the tunnel, you can guarantee it's the headlights of the prohibitionist juggernaut bearing down on you, rather than some ray of hope.

Why a figure of ten years though?
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

I think I just puked a little bit in my mouth when I read that. It's an unfortunate situation if Holland sells out its independent stance on such issues just to stay in line with the rest of Europe despite the success that has been achieved with their soft drugs policy. However I feel it may not be so simple a downward spiral as some people predict. I find it very hard to believe that someone could get arrested in Holland in a decade's time for a personal amount of cannabis possession. It should be interesting to see how this pans out. Will all the coffeeshops just close overnight in a few years to come or will people see sense and fight this before it happens?
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

That's terrible. Good thing I've already got my plane ticket for this summer.
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

Great, another sheep to the flock. hopefully in ten years the liberals in holland will get back in power.
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Old 25-01-2007, 22:22
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

If the Dutch decide to criminalise cannabis again surely they must harshen the legal status of the far more harmful alcohol. I'd almost campaign to ban it just to spite those liquid-lipped politicians who love the sauce but saw their toes off if they accidentally inhale marijuana smoke.
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

Nate, trying to ban booze in this country will only cuase up roar! You saw whta happend with the restriction on people driving. The companys tried to have a seperate law concerning those in rural areas who otherwise might not be able to make it to their social houses.
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

Hypocracy in action,i agree, if anyone wants to ban mj, then its only commen scence that alcohol AND tabbaco be banned, why coz they both kill Millions worldwide yearly, while MJ does nothing. I say, Legalize it all,or ban it all.
Its a damn shame really, one of the last havens for tru freedom is being trampled on.
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

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If the Dutch decide to criminalise cannabis again surely they must harshen the legal status of the far more harmful alcohol.
That will never happen. Our minister of Jussearchtice is enjoying the pleasures of alcohol more than a bit. Just search the net for a pic of Piet hein donner and check out the mans nose. It says more than his own praises about alcohol in his public speeches.
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Old 26-01-2007, 21:24
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

Alfa is right!

Look at this man!

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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

Ten years is a long time... the pendulum could swing in the other direction by then. Seems to me it depends a lot on both government + the power of the tourism industry (?)... correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway, why not keep a positive attitude . Right now the big thing in Europe seems to be uniting in to a "one Europe" stance, but the notions of national and cultural independence could become more important again in the future.
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Old 27-01-2007, 02:50
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

Just had a glance around. There's murmers of criminalising weed in the Dam every once in a while. Probably to please the rest of Europe. Nothings come of it yet.


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Old 27-01-2007, 19:47
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

Well they seem to claim to be in power for the next decade. Note that Holland is using the same voting boxes from the firm which has sponsored Bush his election campaign.
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

That kind of policy would surely affect tourism and tourist-related businesses in Holland.

...and why the hell do the Dutch want THEIR drug policies to " get in line with the rest of Europe," when "the rest of Europe" has NOT been successful in diminishing the inflow or use of drugs, anyway?

I don't see an "up-side" to this.

Certainly, does not appear to be a smart move!
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

I guess it's just a conservative putting a spin on things in order to paint a pretty picture: "We've been naughty little boys but Grandaddy Europe will teach us to play nice".

No offense to any Dutch people but if Holland did remove their soft drugs tolerance policy, the decline in tourism numbers would probably be a huge shock to the system. I don't think SWIM would travel to Holland to see a few windmills and an everlasting flat landscape. Again, no offense.
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

They are already closing down 70% of the red light district. The government does not care about tourism and income. It's all christian values now.
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The government does not care about tourism and income. It's all christian values now.
Lol, because with those values the fabulous people will go far, im sure.
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The Dutch government is using Diebold voting-machines?? You're doomed.
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At least we got rid of even worse machines everyone could fuck with. I want my paper back!
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

It is just very bad news. I had the wrong impression that europe was in the right direction to decriminalize. At least in my country, there is a lot of freedom, people smoke all around the country and police lately don't even give you a ticket, they just confiscate the drug.

This only benefit christian fascists and drug mafias. I wonder what will happen with the rates of cannabis use and abuse once is banned. I bet you all they increase to the levels of the UK and france. People will smoke more and they will smoke shit.

Let's all collect money for 10 years and buy an island in the south pacific.
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I'm with lehen on this one. Our own micronation that people will flock to to get away from oppresive drug policies. I see it as a utopia.
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Re: Dutch Government: Dutch drug policy will end.

It would be accused of being a trans-shipment point for drug smugglers and invaded. Then it would have a US-installed government and the citizens used as slave-labor for American corporations. Like Iraq.

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At least we got rid of even worse machines everyone could fuck with. I want my paper back!
Heh, at least if everyone can fuck with them there's some element of democracy left....with Diebold, you can only fuck with them if God tells you that marijuana is bad but raping young boys is an awesome hobby.
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They are already closing down 70% of the red light district. The government does not care about tourism and income. It's all christian values now.
What I can't understand is how this actually happened. I was under the impression that Holland was about as secular a nation as one would find in Europe. Any idea of how this all changed?
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