Percocet insuffilation?

[Son of Axeman]

Good day, ladies and gents. A question for you all.

SWIM was prescribed 5/325 Percocet for a sudden onset of leg pain that is still under investigation. He has been taking opiates every day for 3 months, to deal with the pain. However much he needs the pills for legitimate pain relief, SWIM is also a curious little creature.

SWIM is familiar with CWE methods, and was wondering: is there a way to return pure oxycodone into powder form, for snorting? SWIM heard that high temperatures inactivate opiates, and so he would like to be well-informed before attemptimg any such method.

SWIM thanks you all for your contribution.

[Forthesevenlakes]

High temperatures do inactivate opiates, but one could probably heat the water left at the end of a CWE (below 100 degrees celsius, however, to avoid competely boiling it), and perhaps do this in a larger pan or pot to allow more surface area. After a while the watter would evaporate, and a larger surface area would help this occur more quickly. Even putting the pot/pan out in the sun on a hot day would probably work if SWIY doesn't live in a humid area.

Alternately, if not much water is used for the CWE, maybe SWIY could keep the water, but put it in a nasal spray bottle and spray as needed. It would have the same effect as insufflation and would be much easier than evaporating anything.

However, oxycodone has a pretty high oral bioavailability to begin with. Some sources say it actually absorbs better through the stomach than through the nose (SWIM actually believes this, snorting oxycontin produces less of an effect for him than eating), so ultimately SWIY could just drink the solution after doing a CWE and this would be the easiest and most effective way of using the percocet. Just be careful with the dosage and addiction potential.

Reputation Comments on this post:

one of the best and informative posts regarding snorting/eating oxycodone, well written.

[Son of Axeman]

Thanks SWIY. I've been taking 20-30 mg every day for 3 months now, addiction potential no longer worries me. SWImydoctor (who is a miracle) told me he'd help me with it, and besides: SWIM needs the percocet for pain management. He's been trying to get some OxyContin for the sake of convinience, but SWIM's doctor isn't ready to graduate him to OC just yet, choosing to wait a few more months, to see if he can't find the cause of SWIM's pain.

SWIM knows that oxycodone has a high oral bioavailability, but he's also new to drugs, and has never snorted anything before, so he's curious as to what all the hype is aboot. (That's right, he said aboot).

[emineo]

Re: CWE

Oxycodone is a white, odorless crystalline powder derived from the opium alkaloid, thebaine. Oxycodone hydrochloride dissolves in water (1 g in 6 to 7 mL). It is slightly soluble in alcohol (octanol water partition coefficient 0.7)

Quoted from rxlist

Re: Insufflation

SWIM has read recent material referencing insufflation of percocet. Specifically, the 10/325 variety.

Virtually immediate onset is the biggest benefit that was mentioned.

Slightly better cranial buzz than oral ingestion was also claimed.

Pill was crushed and insufflated without any extraction procedure.

[Donmeka]

Originally Posted by Son of Axeman

SWIM knows that oxycodone has a high oral bioavailability, but he's also new to drugs, and has never snorted anything before, so he's curious as to what all the hype is aboot. (That's right, he said aboot).

insufflating OC is great to SWIM. it pretty much hits you quicker but lasts shorter but still a good while. SWIM insufflated about 5mg and with no tolerance u should feel a bit good 20-40mg insufflated will cause a pleasant euphoria for SWIM for a good hour or 2 maybe more. SWIM enjoys it and doesnt rly remember the last time he popped one haha

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Donmeka

insufflating OC is great to SWIM. it pretty much hits you quicker but lasts shorter but still a good while. SWIM insufflated about 5mg and with no tolerance u should feel a bit good 20-40mg insufflated will cause a pleasant euphoria for SWIM for a good hour or 2 maybe more. SWIM enjoys it and doesnt rly remember the last time he popped one haha

Insufflation is a very quick route for any water soluble drug, but ol' SWIM, who reacts to drugs a bit differently than most, has found that sometimes insufflation with oxycodone does not work for him at all. Most of the time he can insufflate 20-40 mg and catch the standard buzz, but occasionally he will insufflate...and absolutely nothing happens! SWIM is confused as to why that is. Given the high oral bioavailability of OC, he still finds himself taking the pills orally many times since he is sure to figure that way, and it seems to last much longer (up to 4 hours) in SWIM's case. If SWIY is able to get 2+ hours of euphoria from snorting oxycodone though, more power to him!

[Donmeka]

damn that a pain for SWI7 i mean not a pain but an inconvenience in SWIMs mind. SWIM would be confused as well lol. SWIM should try swallowin the bastard next time and see how it is.

[Dr.Jones]

auctually there are some non water soluable drugs that have a higher nasal bioavaibility than oral. But, Like the thread I made, and should have became a sticky, pills containing APAP should simply be eaten. Or cold water-ed and eat.
Or cold water and plugged, but if you do opiates your probaly constipated and it wouldn't be a good idea.

[Gaius315]

SWIM started a year and a half ago on Percocet 10mg. SWIM was snorting 8-10 a day in a few short weeks. This was before SWIM learned more and discovered that Acetaminophen is dangerous for the liver. (Sad when one must extract a drug away from Tylenol to avoid major damage.) Insufflation offers a quicker, more intense, but shorter high. CWE is ok but SWIM recommends searching the net and using chloroform or ether for extraction. However SWIY extracts the oxycodone out, the liquid can be evaporated and will leave a crystalline, highly delicate powder behind (very similar to cocaine but only in the physical form.) That powder can be snorted and tastes very similar to Oxy IR (which is pure oxycodone except for the binders.) SWIM used CWE and placed on a glass plate that was then put in the oven set at 150 F with the door cracked open to avoid destroying the opiate. Once the water was all gone, a thin film remained that was scraped off with a razor blade and snorted.

[Dr.Jones]

Chloroform extraction? Due to oral bioavalability of oxycodone being HIGHER than nasal bioavalability, I would recommend simply doing a cold water extraction and drinking the water. It auctually hits you pretty quick. Quicker than a roxicodone. But i do think its neat you auctually did some research yourself and come up with the idea by yourself.

[Son of Axeman]

@ SWIGaius315: And the opiate was left intact? Very interesting. Thanks for the info.

@ SWITheDoc: I'll take that in mind. Mind you I'm rarely alone, and passing water through a coffee filter would look a little suspicious, but I'll find a way. Thanks for the advice.

[doppey]

The reason most people don't get hish off snorting OC is bacause they dont crush it properly. SWIM says hes heard from many evil doers that they couldn't get an effect from insufflated OC. SWIM informed them to crush well with something (lighter) under a clean piece of paper and then chop that shit up with a razor (Has to be a razor or sharp knife or your flattening and not spereating the pieces.) All of them were apparently satisfied with the results afterword.

Maybe if someone actually reads this and tries it it will end the "mystery"

Peace

BTW, SWIM informed me there's much more on an effect and a much quicker onset with insufflation. They say that the peak from an equal amount of the drug doesn't even compare.

[emineo]

Heard about this again the other day. Went something like this...

Perc 10 was pulverized under a round bottom glass pair of monkey balls with way more powder evolved than was really wished for.

Even the small yellow ones created a pile that looked enormous and all the elephant jockeys really wished it had been a sparkling pile of great blow.

But the idea behind snorting it at all was to circumvent the GI tract for absorption because a large amount of chow had just been gobbled up.

Long story short, there was a decent head buzz quickly, more than would have had resulted orally because of recent food ingestion. Bad news is, there's a binder in there that only breaks down in slightly acidic environments.

Not sure if that particular binder is present in all forms of oxycodone percs, but in those it was.

Several days after, big wads of it were still making abstract shapes in copious handfuls of kleenex. Some was very pretty and some I didn't understand at all.

The art was definitely not worth the effort.

Side note... Heard someone suggest freezing hydro-, oxy- for several hours then sending it down the hatch as a method to avoid some nausea.

Maybe, maybe not. Best I can think of is, it may stall some reactions momentarily but not enough to delay anything noticably.

[Songcycle67]

SWIM wrote this, purely for educational purposes, to no one in particular and told me to post it:


I'm going from my subjective experience with these new formulas here, so if any SWIMmers have something floating around in their area that is bad for insufflation, please add it to the discussion. Here goes:


Most actual oxycodone/oxycontin pills (not percocet or any mixtures with tylenol/aspirin/ibuprophen--basically anything above a 10mg) are not insufflable due to some kind of chemistry or coating that is implemented during manufacture. Usually the cheaper and more generic the pill, the harder they are to insufflate. Problem is, people who buy them on the street don't really know the difference--so SWIY should look up the pill. There should be dozens of reviews online, some even outlining how to, if possible, derive a snortable substance from what is essentially a pile of clot.

As noted in the above post, the nastier forms of these are not insufflable due to the fact that a certain Ph ratio must be reached (ideal stomach conditions). After snorting what looks like a fairly standard dose of perfectly powdered OC, the trouble starts. Basically what you have in your nose are collections of various lumps of chemicals that cannot be broken down, and a big waste of a lot of money.

The only guaranteed form of snortable pure OC exists in the brand versions. With these, most of the oxycodone pills are not even coated, and the oxycontin pills are, in the US at least, coated with a futile thin sheath of dough-like material that can be rubbed off easily with the aid of a dab of water so that the white pill can be crushed (usually oxycontin tablets are very hard to crush) and absorbed nasally. The standard brand also happens to be the most expensive, concentrated, and most addictive form of the drug.

So, first thing, one should identify the pill being used if it is not the standard brand version (of which tons of photo ID's exist on the internet--usually it is marked OC on one side and mg is notated on the other, i.e. OC and 20 would be written on either side of the pill if it was a brand 20mg oxycontin).

Secondly, if it's not explicitly stated whether the pill one has is snortable, one way to check is to try to rub any coating off. If it rolls up like wet cotton and gets stuck to the pill, do the math--at least those companies don't even let you get to the point where you think you can snort it (although some still try). If the coating does come off easily, one shouldn't just crush and take a chance, they should see if it dissolves easily and fairly quickly in the mouth...if it does, this means it is probably a good bet for being water soluble, giving it a direct route to the brain through the nose. Even then, however, there are risks. These companies are getting trickier and trickier about this stuff, but luckily most of them want kids abusing them (what business wouldn't want to increase profits?) so there are pretty easy ways around most of these methods.

The base-acid thing is the only one form which I've never known anyone to be able to derive a snortable compound. Usually these forms come with the cottony outerlayer I mentioned, which itself is a feat to get through.


Concerning Oxycontinuous release (Oxycontin): Generics are just shit, basically. They pull dirty tricks to water down the compounds they use; again: it's a business, a lucrative business full of greedy bloated billionaires, and more OC per pill=less profit. They're turning into the heroin dealers of old (worse, maybe...i'd rather have diarrhea formula cut into my dose of H as opposed to a nose full of shit in my pain meds any day), this time it's legit, though, and pharms pay out billions every year to keep themselves legitimate in the eye of the public (which hasn't been very effective in the last few years). So whenever possible, one should try to find a brand OC and they'll be pleasantly surprised when it only takes 20mg of brand to give a 30-40mg generic experience.


Generally, concerning Oxycodone/Roxicodone: Right now there aren't that many preparations of oxycodone pills (again, i'm referring to those above 10mg with no APAP, etc.) which are being "abuse-protected" with methods such as those listed above for oxycontinuous. I personally haven't seen any around. These companies will not, as a general rule, change a formula for something that sells as much and is as important to medicine as oxycodone so that they can keep a consistent pill that their clients trust. In the coming years, for good or ill (I'm not a big fan of people telling other people what to do, even if it is something silly like snorting oxies), more and more will be appearing with abuse protection, and things like wetting a pill and scraping off the covering isn't going to do it for these--I would say the Ph-sensitive formulas will eventually be embraced by every company that produces these types of medicines eventually, otherwise they'll get even more bad press...i'm surprised the flimsy attempt to abuse-proof OC brands has held up this long. When the lobby money runs out, so will enter the new abuse-proof formulations, but right now they're selling more than ever, faster than ever.

Tangent:
The silly, futile coating on Oxycontin brand, by the way, was done so that the patent holders would sell more than the verified companies producing the generics: pharm companies know that people will pay 6 or 7 times as much for the quality, snortability, reliability, and general chemical purity--things which the generics obviously generally lack and which attract users and abusers. And any pharm company will do anything to get a chance at being verified (given permission to produce) something as marketable and fruitful as the highly potent pain killers being toted out of every pharmacy in america by the millions every week: even if it means accepting and using an (possibly purposely produced) inferior formula for the generics, these companies know that people will take whatever they can find in their price range to get their meds/drug of choice. Why fix something that isn't broken? Why not break it even more..almost to the point of complete destruction of anything resembling chemical purity? Right now in labs across the world they're trying to figure out ways to fuck people over, and nowhere do people get fucked over more than in their dealings with pharmaceutical companies and HMO's. And as a bonus, every now and then the patent holder will allow HMOs that work with and through them to, say..as happened earlier this year for example, deny acceptance of Medicaid/medicare on oxycontin 20mg and below, forcing millions of people to either get bumped down to generics in order to afford them, or bumped up to the 40mg (for which SSI is strangely still accepted..hmmmmmmm...giving some slack for the people in real pain or forcing doctors to write higher milligrams for patients that get no relief from generics? i wonder...).
End of Tangent



So be smart, don't waste your money, don't get took. And if all the signs point to abuse protected product, might as well just go ahead and swallow it on down, as even the non-Ph sensitive *looking* pills can have binders in them that either make them a bitch to snort or make them impossible altogether.

For those SWIMmers who enjoy taking it to the brain, savor the moment...more and more people are getting that phonecall from their pharmacy that they will no longer be getting the formula they've been snorting for the last 10 years in stock and when they get the new stuff will unknowingly crush up a big pile of base and binders and dyes that color their nose bright red and try to inhale it.

I pity those people. Won't stop addiction or abuse, I don't think, as they're giving their newer clients plenty of time to get heavily hooked (as one does especially in the case of nasal abuse) before making them chewables. And some people would eat a gallon of dog shit to get that contin high.

Control, control, control.

[cra$h]

Well, as far as snorting OC, it's definitly more of a rush. If you get a big pill, there's not nearly as much powder as a couple percocets, which is a good thing. Less powder, faster intake, more rush. That's the only advantage. It's slightly shorter, and the difference in bioavailibilities is unoticable to swim. As long as its the regular dose, he knows he's high enough haha.

Generally,
oral-l onger, good bioavailibility, healthiest, cosistant buzz
nasal- shorter, no more than 10% bioavalibility difference, great rush, fades to buzz

[Songcycle67]

SWIM wrote the following:

Quickie: Couldn't find anything on this, oddly enough, but, does anyone know the proper time for Oxy's absorption in the nasal cavity? Is it like amphetamine where you can blow your nose a few minutes after doing a line and lose nothing? Apparently amphetamine salts absorb in a matter of seconds, is this a rule of thumb for insufflation or just for amphs?

Hope that's not too far off-topic.

[cra$h]

Amphets are a salt though. Not really sure what oxycodone is, but it's completely different.Swim can say though that the powder in percocet will be up there for a while, and it causes a little discomfort, especially considering the amount of powder since it's going to be a multiple pill session. But don't worry though, if swiy gets tired of swiy's nose being clogged, simply sniff it back into a drip, which is normally wasteful, but as far as oxy goes, it doesn't matter if it hits the stomache. Do it thoroughly though, when it's lodged in the back of the throat it really gets annoying. sniffing a couple drops of water help absorbtion after a couple lines too