The perfect rave pill

[darawk]

Suppose your lab rat was going to a rave, and you wanted him or her to have the best time possible, and further suppose that you had access to any and all substances in any quantity you could possibly desire. What blend of substances would make the "perfect rave pill" for your lab rat?

Though my rat has never tried 2c-b, from what i've heard, I think he would like a low, maybe 10-15mg dose of 2c-b, combined with about 100-150mg of MDMA. Possibly including a small, maybe 10-15mg of methamphetamine to keep him going all night.

[Bajeda]

Swim thinks that just MDMA without a psychedelic enhancer would be great. The experience is great in and of itself.

Maybe some amphetamine (meth lasts too long) mixed in to make things more 'speedy' and energetic.

For a rave thats all swim could ask for.

[raven3davis]

MDMA is okay for raves but doesnt have enough pep to it to make you wanna dance all night. A little meth(amphetamine) will definitely help and caffeine will too.

SWIMS ideal rave pill would be MDMA/mda with possibly a dose of caffeine. Dextroamphetamine would be nice too, but SWIM only has access to extended release pills and those last a long time. Meth also lasts too long and makes the comedown a lot worse. SWIM has taken lots of XTC adulterated with meth and it all depends how much meth are in the pills. A LOT of meth can ruin a roll and make the comedown hell, but a good dose of MDMA with a small dose of meth can enhance the roll and make it last all night long. You will have the energy to dance, fuck, or do whatever you want....ALL NIGHT LONG.

And as always, benzos can really help for the comedown.

[Abrad]

Though my rat has never tried 2c-b, from what i've heard, I think he would like a low, maybe 10-15mg dose of 2c-b, combined with about 100-150mg of MDMA.

SWIM could imagine this being too intense for a non-controlled enviroment. SWIM has never combined MDMA with 2c-b but had a very intense trip with it and methylone. He was certainly glad to be in a safe enviroment.

[darawk]

Originally Posted by Abrad

SWIM could imagine this being too intense for a non-controlled enviroment. SWIM has never combined MDMA with 2c-b but had a very intense trip with it and methylone. He was certainly glad to be in a safe enviroment.

What were SWIM's doses of each? I've always heard that 2C-B is relatively mild as far as headspace goes, but with intense and beautiful visuals, which seem like they would be absolutely stunning in a rave environment. But indeed as my rat has never tried it, I wouldn't want to be wrong about that and end up with a very unhappy rat on my hands.

[Abrad]

10mg of 2c-b and 200mg M1.

[tone3721]

1 mg LSD, good for all night long. MDMA is a methamphetamine, MA is total garbage, either one will make you feel like shit the next day. If one really feels the need to "roll", swit would recommend MDA/LSD. LSD, will give you energy for 8-12 hours, and if its pure, there is absolutely no hangover the next day. In swits opinion, (and swit would argue fact here) all amphetamines are total crack garbage when compared to LSD. Swit recalls a time when raves were all about LSD, and the xtc was very expensive, rare, and exotic. LOL gotta love hyperdelic acid parties.

acid....acid house

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM would pick a standard dose of MDA, a very low dose of mushrooms, and a low dose of oxycodone. How all that would fit into a pill, SWIM does not know, but we're talking hypothetically here. These things would make SWIM quite social and willing to dance...and actually he'd probably end up going home from the rave and throwing his own dance party with some friends, because SWIM does not particularly care for most rave music =]

[turkeyphant]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Maybe some amphetamine (meth lasts too long) mixed in to make things more 'speedy' and energetic.

Originally Posted by raven3davis

SWIMS ideal rave pill would be MDMA/mda with possibly a dose of caffeine. Dextroamphetamine would be nice too, but SWIM only has access to extended release pills and those last a long time.

SWIM is curious why people are worried about uppers lasting "too long". Surely if you're going to be at a party for about 12-24 hours you don't want to be feeling tired after just a few DJs? tone3721 has it right in SWIM's opinion...

[darawk]

SWID has never done LSD, though he is in possession of a bit, and is planning on trying it soon. However, his experience with psychedelics has generally not been one conducive to a large party like a rave. Do you all really think LSD would be a good rave drug? SWIM feels like he would be too lost in his own thoughts to really enjoy the atmosphere of a rave - but then again, he's never tried LSD.

[turkeyphant]

Once you've experienced the psychedelic state enough times to feel comfortable in the sort of environment you're likely to encounter at a party you'll realise why people were partying on it long before MDMA came along. If it all gets a bit too much for you, just stand next to the rig and get lost in the music...

[Pinkavvy]

Swip would like 3 pills for a rave.

1st Pill - Taken on way to rave. 150mg MDMA, 160mg caffeine, 50mg 5HTP.

2nd Pill - Taken 4 or 5 hours into rave. 15mg 5-MEO-DALT, 120mg MDMA, 50mg 5-HTP.

3rd Pill - Taken while leaving rave. 100mg 5-HTP, 40mg Oxycodone, 20mg Cyclobenzaprine.

Of course this would be swips pack-o-pill for the night if he felt like rolling... if he felt like tripping it would be differant. lol

[tone3721]

Here we go again, MDMA is 3,4-methylenedioxyMETHAMPHETAMINE. Swit has 4 semesters of undergrad chem. How many do you have? So.... to whom it may concern, MDMA is a methamphetamine!!!

[darawk]

Originally Posted by tone3721

Here we go again, MDMA is 3,4-methylenedioxyMETHAMPHETAMINE. Swit has 4 semesters of undergrad chem. How many do you have? So.... to whom it may concern, MDMA is a methamphetamine!!!

So what? That doesn't mean it's anything like methamphetamine in its effects. The only real similarity is that its mechanism of action is analogous. Where methamphetamine mimics dopamine to the reuptake pumps on the presynaptic vesicles - mdma mimics serotonin. Once inside, it changes the concentration gradients, forcing the serotonin out. Meth does the same, except it uses dopamine.

And MDMA is not classified as a "methamphetamine", methamphetamine is its own substance. MDMA is an amphetamine analog, but it's generally referred to as a phenethylamine, as its experiential qualities share so little in common with the common connotation of 'amphetamine'.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Good explanation but good luck convincing him...

[tone3721]

One may not like the "cannotation" of MDMA being related to MA. Yes it is broadly referred to as a phenethylamine: C8H11N, actually it would be a substituted phenethylamine. Amphetamine(s) would be, homologues of phenethylamine(alpha-methyl-phenethylamine) or C9H13N. the phenethylamine structure can even be found in LSD(C20H25N3O) which essentially could be considered a substituted phenethylamine. Yes its pharmacology is different than MA(C10H15N). However, whether you like the "cannotation" or not, fact is MDMA(C11H16No2) is a psychedelic amphetamine, or more specifically, a psychedelic methamphetamine. They're both analogues of amphetamine, thanks to merck(pretty sure merck) Anywho, if your looking for a chemistry lesson, their would certainly be ppl much more adept, experienced, and qualified than swit on this board. Although swit does have enough under his belt to know what amphetamines are and where they came from.

[darawk]

Originally Posted by tone3721

One may not like the "cannotation" of MDMA being related to MA. Yes it is broadly referred to as a phenethylamine: C8H11N, actually it would be a substituted phenethylamine. Amphetamine(s) would be, homologues of phenethylamine(alpha-methyl-phenethylamine) or C9H13N. the phenethylamine structure can even be found in LSD(C20H25N3O) which essentially could be considered a substituted phenethylamine. Yes its pharmacology is different than MA(C10H15N). However, whether you like the "cannotation" or not, fact is MDMA(C11H16No2) is a psychedelic amphetamine, or more specifically, a psychedelic methamphetamine. They're both analogues of amphetamine, thanks to merck(pretty sure merck) Anywho, if your looking for a chemistry lesson, their would certainly be ppl much more adept, experienced, and qualified than swit on this board. Although swit does have enough under his belt to know what amphetamines are and where they came from.

I'm aware that it's an amphetamine analog. But that does not mean it shares the same risks, rewards, or anything else with methamphetamine other than a structural similarity.

[tone3721]

Who ever said it shared the same risks, or rewards? Swit simply said that xtc was A <----- key word here, methamphetamine. Which of course it obviously is. Out of swit's personal experiences, he would have to say the hangover, is quite similar. Although MA, is a bit more painful. While, MDMA, is much more depressing. In any case, it doesnt even hold a flame, to pure LSD, in terms of toxicity, safety, and experience really. Its been almost 69 years now, and every case for lsd having ill effects, like chromosome damage for example, has been totally disproved to the best of swims knowledge. On the other hand, quite a bit of controversy surrounds MDMA, and its pharmacology. Research seems to point to long term damage, as far as swit knows tho, these studies still arent considered fact, and quite arguable. Swit will leave that to the ones around here who are much more versed in that subject. After about 15 years, of personally testing MDMA, swit has come to the conclusion, that its not worth his time. As he has gotten older, the hangovers seem to get worse and worse(5-HTP does seem to help tho). You dont have to agree, but keep munching it long enough, and youll probably see what swit means. If one must explore this compound, swit would recommend, you take heed to the good DR. Shulgin's advice, and limit use to a few hundred milligrams/year. Somewhat hard to do huh? Many would probably say thats a good start to a night. LOL

[Cakes]

Originally Posted by darawk

SWID has never done LSD, though he is in possession of a bit, and is planning on trying it soon. However, his experience with psychedelics has generally not been one conducive to a large party like a rave. Do you all really think LSD would be a good rave drug? SWIM feels like he would be too lost in his own thoughts to really enjoy the atmosphere of a rave - but then again, he's never tried LSD.

SWIM thinks timing can be important with LSD. The first hour or two are definately "come on" time and it is good to remain stationary and just get assimilated. It is good to take half of one's dose first and then the other half when one feels the come on starting good..don't delay past two hours or one might as well save the rest till next time.

The next few hours one will be high and this is a good time to trip on things but the urge to move may not be there.

Music and moving can be lots of fun after that. Hour 6 - 12 is good for dancing and SWIM noticed hour 8 being especially good for music enhancement.

bit when it comes down to it..don't worry>>chilling at one's own pace is okay; corners can be fun and even an escape route can turn into a good thing to do.

[brown_thing]

[quote=tone3721;224569]1 mg LSD, good for all night long. MDMA is a methamphetamine, MA is total garbage/quote]
although yes MDMA is chemically related to methamphetamine implying that that in any way inflences it's nerochemical reactions shows ignorance, and don't try and do 1mg of lsd. lsd dosage is measured in ug and the standard dose is 50-150 ug.

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Calling people ignorant, over something theyve clearly stated over, and over, because you failed to read the entire thre...

[CRUNK]

Now if Swim were trying to make the perfect E pill he would make some neon blue tripple stacked Addiddas's with a blend of MDMA, MDA, and double dripped with LSD-25, those would be some bomb ass pills.

[brown_thing]

and a side of fries

[Nagognog2]

Stay on topic please. Flaming is not acceptable behavior.

[Nagognog2]

If one likes the effects of being sloppy and drunk, and the entactogenic experience of MDMA - then MDE would be the best of both worlds. You'd be goofy AND loving! And still require hydration as per is the norm.

[Cakes]

Originally Posted by darawk

Suppose your lab rat was going to a rave, and you wanted him or her to have the best time possible, and further suppose that you had access to any and all substances in any quantity you could possibly desire. What blend of substances would make the "perfect rave pill" for your lab rat?

Though my rat has never tried 2c-b, from what i've heard, I think he would like a low, maybe 10-15mg dose of 2c-b, combined with about 100-150mg of MDMA. Possibly including a small, maybe 10-15mg of methamphetamine to keep him going all night.

My lab rat has been a country mouse for a long time so he knows only a few downhome ways to party but he does like an IV of meth and lsd<<<so maybe I'd set Templeton up with all he wanted there.