Animals and Drugs

[Alicia]

I agree with HH399 and J and also to some extent with Orchid regarding the cat issue least with the smoke from cannabis, if it likes it, it will stay and follow the people who are smoking. if it didn't like the smoke it would not hang around it. WHich it implies its making a conscious choice.

Now back to the dog, if its eating something and trusting swiy with something you give it. Do you think you have the right to do that? as said before it would have no comprehension of whats happening to it. or worse kill it.

[tayo]

NO, IM NOT A BAD PERSON NEITHER IS LUMP. Me and Lump are going to let the evil animal testers in labs to do this, and even then we will protest.

Hypothetically, if the dog only knows love, I think it wouldn't have a bad trip if the entire trip was beside it petting it, letting it lick ya, exploring with it. Never leaving it alone, carrying it around, letting it crawl up on your chest (small dogs). This dog is family.
If the dog is kicked alot or something bad, with a bad owner, it would probably freak out on mush.
There is no way to tell how sensitive an animal may be to psychedelics though.

The mushroom question should have gone like this in the first post...

"Wouldn't it be wonderful to be on the same level of enlightenment as your best friend and companion?... if they could choose?... using mushrooms?"

[tayo]

Thank you Jatelka.

I found this there and it's interesting.

"He showed that rhesus monkeys would only smoke lettuce cigarettes if they got water as a reward. They would not smoke DMT cigarettes for a reward. However, once the monkeys were put in sensory isolation for a few days, they would self-administer DMT even when water was freely available. He hypothesised that the monkeys were escaping from isolation and searching for stimulation through the psychedelic action of the DMT.

Siegel, R K. 1983. “Teachings From Psychoactive Plants And Intoxicated Animals”, in Psychedelic Reflections, ed. by Grinspoon, L and J B Bakalar (New York: Human Sciences), pp. 213-222.
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That article would be a good, interesting read.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

A dogs mind doesn't work like ours,it's not as complex.Even if all the animal knows is love and happiness its a safe bet that its going to be terrified when the world suddenly becomes filled with strange and unexplainable sights and sounds.Think acid is fun if you take it willingly but if someone gave swiy lsd when you were a kid and you didn't know it the trip would probably not be that good even if swiy lived a happy life.

[tayo]

Maybe. It might just amplify the love and dog/human connection, and how do we know the dog will get visuals? Why would a dog be terrified of any visuals? If visuals have never hurt her, she doesn't bark at the wind or when strangers come to the door, she wags her tail and looks if something moves but does not live in fear, and I believe dogs do know right and wrong and they certainly have "personalities" so to speak... If they're not as complex it might be argued that there is less to go wrong, if what they know is affection then maybe they'll get creative with it... or since they know how to go to the bathroom maybe theyd experiment with new ways of showing love by peeing on Lump. Who knows right?

This whole thread could have been completely different if I had said, "Lump's dog got into a bag of mushrooms once, she recently sniffed out the bag and whimpers for them.. is it ethical to give them to her?" This could happen, Lump will never know because he's not willing to risk it. I bet it's been done.

[Infinite I]

Swiy could get some catnip if swiy had a cat,swim heard cats love it, sure it contains DMT and swiy could drink some ayahuasca sure a lot of bonding could occur lol

Peace and Love

[Alfa]

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