Can you OD on Codeine?

[Tortoise]

Originally Posted by leigh1981

This may be a really pathetic question considering swim has been addicted to codeine for over 10 years but how much codeine is in a t3. Swim has never really been on websites like this or researched her drug of choice - she just knows it does what she wants so she has always used it. She has had small period of a few months at a time of not using but mostly been using constantly since age 13. She usually takes 2-3 t3's at a time to get high but still 100% functioning and can still work. She doesn't do the extraction thing mentioned on here so too many pills make her puke with all the acetaminophen (sorry spelling bad). And when swiy say 900mg is the lethal dose in 50% of people to take it, is that 900mg in a 4 hour period? 6 hours? daily? Any answers to swims questions would be great - she is finding this forum she discovered very interesting as she didnt know codeine use was so popular - just always what she has done.

900mg is a crazy dose,Swim thought the LD50 was closer to about 600mg. Anyway, that dosage refers to amount in your bloodstream at any given time (or one dose). Theoretically, somebody who would kick the bucket with 900mg of codeine taken at once could possibly be just fine if they took 300mg three times, spaced apart by a few hours. But it all depends on tolerance (300mg would not be a good idea for a person with low or no tolerance).

I have to say that if you've had enough acetaminophen to make you puke, you're very lucky not to have needed a new liver by now! Swim doesn't want to encourage anybody to take recreational drugs, however, if you're going to do it, he advises you to be safe and learn how to do a cold-water extraction from now on. It's more time-consuming but much better than acute liver failure.

Be safe.

[darkglobe]

SWIM's monkey's second cousin once removed's pet digeridoo now vomits every time he takes paracetamol (acetaminophen). So he doesn't take it anymore.

Just to add to what Tortoise said, users with high tolerance can quite easily ingest 5 times the LD50 and stay perfectly healthy.

Again, I'd reiterate the above: 300mg is NOT a first-time dose! This dose is for those with fair-high tolerance only.

[zera]

Swim has no opiate tolerance (he only uses maybe once a month) and ingests 300 mg of codeine. Though he has a fairly high metabolism at 6'3", 200 lbs, pretty much all lean muscle.

[flipper70]

Swim just read this thread and its interesting, got a question tho. Swim tried CWE first time this weekend. Before that swim took 6 N+ at a time but thought that was a bad idea - thanks for this site with the CWE info. Anyway, swim used 15 co codamol and was successful! Have to say tho that amount of tablets was a bit scary to see in a glass, so swim just wondered ( swim understands the level that causes OD ) is it likely to do damage to swim at the dosage of 120 -150g?? (15-18 tabs) swim realises its not lethal, but is unsure what effect even a low dose could have minus paracetamol? cheers anyswiy x

[darkglobe]

That's fine. You worked your way up to that, though, right? Coz people all have different natural tolerances.

Some are hypersensitive to some substances, others are barely touched by them. YMMV.

[mrsg84]

Codeine has a ceiling effect around 200-400mg, depending on the person and history of opiate/opioid use. This means the liver is unable to convert more codeine into its active compounds, including morphine. Medically speaking, this means doses above the ceiling effect will give no greater analgesia but the side effect increase as the dose increases. It can cause spontaneous respiratory failure even in people who have high tolerance towards narcotics.

[erriksen]

SWIM has been using it a long time now and finds anything above 300mg becomes very uncomfortable (very hot and itchy feet and hands). As has been pointed out, very high amounts don't give SWIY anything extra so save it and use it again another time.

[roidrage]

maybe nothing but i was pretty worryed afew nights ago, swim havent been taking much for a long time and was having 330mg using cwe so would be less a time but had built upto it but the other i only 5 30mg tabs without any paracetamol in it so didnt need cwe.. at first it felt ok but then instead of tired like i usally get it was allmost like taking extacy i was boncing around very alert and with huge smile on my face

after about an hour i think i was hot and hell and not feeling to great, my head felt strange and for the rest of the night i layed on my bed naked and kept running kitchen towels under the tap and infreezer untill froozen and then ontop of my head to try cool it down

[sl1p609]

codeine is 1/10 of 10mg of morphine .... swim never heard of CWE codeine od.... never...more like Fent or hydromorphone....swiy must be carefull

[beentheredonethatagain]

May I recomend a stool softner . wow that much codeine and you will have bricks in your tummy! those will hurt comming out

[kapitan_oko]

It Is a very safe drug. Codeine Is having just a little depression breathing effect even with high doses and as SWIM wrote in previous message SWIM done high doses but actually prefer dosages around 300-450 (It's 2-3 whole blisters) with 300 the best amount, when doing 450(3 blisters, much acetaminophen) with CWE there are some bigger losses so It's around 400-something.
Few days ago a friend of SWIM done 960mg!!! and SWIM know 'It's a way to much', but the tolerance of doing Codeine once or even two a day, for few months allowed Him to do so, He just have really intense and long lasting feeling, but It Is a wasting of Codeine. If SWIY doing all days tolerance is so high that SWIY can do much bigger quantities without any harm. SWIM must say that the myth with anything above 400mg Isn't working Is refer to analgesia, so just a pain control Is with 400mg a limit, not high, because that are different things. People who was studding how codeine working didn't have a high as the primary reason but analgesia, and SWIM thinks that even bigger doses of Codeine with a little of tolerance are giving also a bigger analgesia. SWIM don't know from where this myth come from, but It's a Myth! If SWIY didn't feel It, maybe just eating some 'Antihistamines I generation' will help, without that, eating codeine all days, or just very often, not giving body to clean is not worth. Codeine is weak and must be enhanced with something when is done too often. Eating often also gives addiction. It's almost that point of addiction that gives morphine, maybe morphine with doing that long is a little harder to get off, but trust me just a second day without a drug and It's pain, with 4/5 days after last dosage It's peak and It's hard not to take something. So watch out how often SWIY do It, because the best high is when you do a one-two day break, of course when SWIY want to do often and isn't addicted.

[sunshine_buddy]

i heard that death by codeine OD is different to other opiate overdoses- with spasms ect, is this true? if it is it sounds strange- what could be the possible reasons for the difference?

[highganja99]

SWIM has done 500mg before and would not recommend going past 400mg. When SWIM took 500mg he knew he had taken to much within 30 mins. Eyes rolling round his head, and instead of sedation like other opiates, the 500mg dose of codeine made him very agitated and seemed to increase his heartbeat considerably. Indeed he felt the effects were toxic like being poisoned. Saying that he still had a full codeine experience but he could have had the same pleasurable effects with 300mg-400mg and none of the unpleasant and worrying effects of a 500mg dose.

[roserjoe]

SWIM has quite a big tolerance and has done some fairly hefty doses in the past. He normally sticks to a 500-600mg dose, but the other night he tried 700-800mg and it was really, really nice. Reminded him of the times he first did codeine. His tolerance is obviously too high and he is giving it a break for a month or two.

[Tortoise]

Good luck with that Roserjoe!

[greenapple]

so most people have said that the LD50 is 800mg, and even anything around 400mg can make a person OD depending on their tolerance, metabolism, etc.

what if, for example, SWIY had a dose of about 150mg in the evening, went to bed then in the morning wanted another 150mg dose. That would equal 300mg in a 24 hour period.

what SWIM wants to know is how long does it take for codeine to be out of your system so you don't OD? like after one dose of, say, 300mg, should you wait 24 hours until the next dose? apologies if this is in the wrong thread, thought it was kind of relevant....

thanks for you help guys!

[Revancheshepherd]

I could.

[Skinny]

Regarding this OD on Codeine I know someone who might or might not be me, who took 440mg of Codeine - some lost to clumsiness (moderate tolerance to opiates) but the thing is....... he has been snacking on bromazepam also. he took at least 10 of those at 3mg at each but possbly more, he is also on 1200mg of lithium but i think this is not particularly relevant. The codeiene involved a CWE so i dont think acetaminophen has much in this equation. The question is, this person is ok I think right now, but will he or she wake up dead tomorrow morning from respiratory depression? ps Bromazepam is related it Diazepam (u can tell cause it ends in -epam) it about half as powerful as a moderate dose of valium(diazepam). Id like to know this soon in case someone will suffer some kind of damage.

PS this person is feeling pretty good right now

[Skinny]

Well thanks all for posting so soon, it been 13.5 hours and the person is alive. I believe that it was probably ok stack that shite together but those bromzaepams worrry me they are so snacky, the lactose base helps to supplement the lactose free milk that SWIM drinks (is a vegetarian) (not me tho i love meat). Plus the drug is quite addicitve. Lesson learned dont trust you guys to give enough time notcie to tell me if this was a good idea, not that you are doctors or anything anyways, the other thing is that it seems like codeine even in large quantities (to a tolerant user) will not stack negatively to a great extent with benzos.

[Tortoise]

Yeah, bright idea Skinny. Take a potentially lethal combination of drugs and when you're worried that you may die, post a request for help on an internet forum that could potentially go for hours without anyone even looking at it and then get shirty when you don't get a response. Smart guy.

Next time you need an urgent response why don't you write to a magazine instead?

[darkglobe]

Check the file archive, there's bound to be something. If not, UTFSE!

Failing those, a certain well-known search engine may turn up some results...

(PS: It's dangerous, don't do it. That's about as scientific as the advice needs to be, really.)

[Nakes]

Sorry for bumping this old thread.

So, I took my first high dose of codeine today, about 500MG, and I'm feeling like shit now. I took it about 12 hours ago. Bout 6 hours in I started having bad stomach pains, and then threw up, a lot. Was feeling slightly nauseous from then on. My stomach is getting slightly worse again. I CWE'ed T3's, so it shouldn't be a Tylenol OD. Are these the effects of too much codeine? I'm a little concerned.

[Razorbladekiss]

Was that your first ever dose of codeine then at 500mg? If so thats a bad starting point man.

My pet Dalek can sympathize he once took about 500mg of codeine (with tolerance) and had the same effects swiy stated. I believe your 'symptoms' as it were are from a slight OD on codeine. My Dalek knows what its like to have too much acap and its slightly different.

It'll feel like a really bad hangover and throwing up within the first 12 hours (without tolerance) but give it most of the day and swiy will feel better.

Does any one know if hair of dog works with codeine? As in, if your hung over drink a little alcohol to sublte the hang over could you take a little codeine to stop feeling so bad?

Also Nakes, dont self incriminate =]

[tiramisu4you]

After taking di-hycodeine daily for 6 weeks, SWIM bumped his dose from 400mg to 570mg. After a few hours, he started to feel a little dizzy and started to twitch. SWIM felt like he might faint and never wake up. Ever since then, SWIM does not take more than 450mg of di-hydrocodeine.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Swim has had weird experiences with codeine.Like a dose that made him extremely euphoric one day, barely gives him a buzz the next day...