Get the Caffeine out of a CWE

[paulcook]

Swim just arrived in Canada and proptly purchased a large bottle of OTC codeine/APAP/caffeine. He was curious about how to extract the caffeine from the mixture or if it is even necessary. Swim looked all around the forum and couldn't find this info. Thank you!!

[Klaus]

It depends what swiy wants Swim likes to combine the two but if swiy wants a more chilled experience best to extract it. Swiy will HAVE to extract the Paracetamol anyway.

[Forthesevenlakes]

A CWE will not extract the caffeine from codeine/caffeine/APAP tablets, so be wary of one's caffeine dosage. For people with low opioid tolerances, the caffeine shouldn't be a problem, but SWIM found that with doses equal to a cup of coffee (100-150 mg caffeine) or so, he became somewhat agitated and uncomfortable, definitely a product of overstimulation. SWIM doesnt know a way to get caffeine out of the final product, if there is an easy method to do so, he'd certainly like to hear it.

[Diacetylmorfine]

SWIM already bought a bottle of 100 tabs paracetamol/codeine (8mg) that does not contain any caffeine. That caffeine is replaced by doxylamine succinate, wich is a sedative. These kind of tablets are also known as mersyndols.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Careful with the doxylamine succinate as well. CWE wont remove it either.

Here's the MSDS for doxylamine succinate, according to this, its substantially soluble in water, so a CWE wouldn't get rid of it. In higher doses this would likely lead to hallucinations/delusions...SWIM would pick the caffeine over this.

[paulcook]

Thanks guys. Swim's really curious about that mersyndol. Swim's wary about that other substance though, he's never heard of it before and he is fairly experienced. Regaurdless, I'll tell Swim to be careful.

[Nagognog2]

Doxylamine is an anti-histamine in the same class as chlorpheniramine and diphenhydramine. Large quantities could prove fatal. Smaller ones would lead to an awful experience.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Doxylamine is an anti-histamine in the same class as chlorpheniramine and diphenhydramine. Large quantities could prove fatal. Smaller ones would lead to an awful experience.

Side effects may include dysphoria, vision problems, difficulty urinating, muscle weakness, excitement, and the belief that one's room is turning into a spider's nest. And given the danger of antihistamines, these sound like some of the more benign side effects! SWIM doesn't think that any opioid high would be worth these pitfalls.

SWIM would say to stick to the opioid preparations with APAP and caffeine, or better yet just APAP+opioid due to the ease of a CWE on it. Keep an eye on the dosage of caffeine one is taking though...if SWIY is using 5 pills for a CWE, each containing 15 mg caffeine, it will be about the same as the caffeine in an energy drink. However the dosage of codeine (about 40 mg with a maximum yield, assuming 8 mg codeine per pill) would still be pretty low.

So for people with a high opioid tolerance, these kinds of pills may not even be a viable option, since the accompanying amount of caffeine would make them uncomfortable or dangerous to use, even after a CWE. Wikipedia states that dosages over 400 mg of caffeine at a time can result in overstimulation and caffeine intoxication (this is beyond a simple coffee buzz, though). Assuming again that the average pills in these preparations contain 15 mg caffeine and 8 mg codeine, along with APAP, 26.6 pills would lead to the 400 mg mark. This may seem like alot of pills, but if SWIY did a CWE and had a maximum yield (unlikely, but this is just for the ease of calculation), SWIY would only get 213.3 mg of codeine. This would be too much for someone with no opioid tolerance, but for someone with a bit of tolerance or who is opioid dependent, this amount of codeine might not effect them much, and wouldn't be worth the risk of ODing on caffeine.

So, in conclusion, evaluate the risks of these types of pills containing multiple drugs before using them, use your head, and use CWE!

[paulcook]

After Swim tried the pills out, he'd have to say that the overall effects were mediocre at best. There was somewhat of an opiate buzz, but Swim and his fellow lab rat just felt weird. Swim and his frend ground up 25 pills each and did the extraction propperly. They were calcing out the amount of caffeine the entire time. Truly though, more of a headace than anythin elese. It just made Swim horny for the good stuff. Althogh it is fairly economical in that you can get 8 (25pill) highs out of a very inexpensive little bottle. Apparently tylenol 3s and 4s have been taken off the OTC market in Canada and are now prescription only. Thanks for all your advice guys. . .

[Swimster]

Well Caffeine could be extracted with the following solvents: Benzene, Chloroform, Trichlorethylene, and Dichloromethane. Although..Swim is not sure if Hydro,Cod,Oxy, or any of these opioids, are soluble in these solvents. This is just the main way cafeine is extracted from coffee, to create de-calf coffee.

[Ethyl]

Nowadays caffeine is not extracted using solvents but using water with activated charcoal. Don't know if it will extract the codeine, but i think it does

[Ethyl]

But judgning on a procedure for extracting morphine from opium, i believe it can be done, as activated charcoal would not extract the codeine, but would extract the caffeine.
Don't now if it works...

[top]Extraction of morphine.

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Activated charcoal is added, and the solution is heated and filtered hot through a fine cloth. The filtration is repeated several times, removing the charcoal and colored impurities with it.

source: hxxp://designer-drug.com/pte/12.162.180.114/dcd/chemistry/heroinmfg.html

[Ethyl]

Water extraction of caffeine

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Coffee beans are soaked in water. The water, which contains not only caffeine but also many other compounds which contribute to the flavor of coffee, is then passed through activated charcoal, which removes the caffeine.

hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Water_extraction


Swie tells me that if codeine shares the characteristic with morphine that it won't be absorved into activated charcoal, then to remove the caffeine from the caffeine/codeine solution all you have to do is filter it with activated charcoal.


I think swie has stumbled on a way to remove caffeine from codeine/caffeine solutions. Please research and confirm this

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[0utrider]

yeah, would be nice if SWIY could finally confirm this, since this is quite important, we get so many requests about this here in the DF and i'd love to add it to the cwe-faq

[gotxp]

test have been being conducted over here:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...t=54089&page=2

continue over here if you are interesting in participating to see if this method works