Euphoria 'on the go', at work, school, etc.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by BANGINCOLOR

What's your favorite food? Let's say it's chocolate cake. Would you eat chocolate cake 3 times a day? 5 times a day? We all know what would happen if you did....even though it's your favorite food, you would get sick of it pretty quick.

Absence makes the mind grow fonder. If SWIY hasn't done opiates too often, one problem is tolerance and if SWIY is doing them all the time, SWIY will constantly be struggling with tolerance and requiring higher and higher doses.

SWIM thinks like this.....opiate sessions are little mini-vacations from life. You feel an extra, extra good you wouldn't feel without the opiates. If SWIY is doing them all the time, they are using opiates the wrong way, to avoid reality and stay on vacation which is not good.

Get the work done, get the homework done, the school thing done, the family thing done, the girlfriend/wife thing done and AFTER SWIY gets things in their life together, THEN go on an opiate vacation. That's just how SWIM feels.

SWIM thinks this is excellent advice and a good way to avoid doing opioids too often. The thing is though, that for people that can mantain a habit while in school/work and have a predilection for downers, they don't seem to get sick of eating their opioid cake several times a day...but this usually only ends bad for the user. That aside, SWIM thinks this is very mature and sage advice, and to try to space out these "vacations" at least a month apart to avoid the desire to use more frequently and in higher doses.

[BANGINCOLOR]

Another kind of "mental arrangement" SWIM has toyed with and likes a lot is this.

There will be times SWIM will catch himself on a roll of taking too many opiates too often and needs a break. What SWIM does is take a couple days off and while SWIM is doing this, SWIM is creating like a "Christmas Eve" type effect in his mind every time he wants to use.

We all remember back when we were kids how, Christmas Eve was almost as good as Christmas day. The freakin anxiety almost drove us mad but made for a wonderful night. SWIM feels if you keep telling yourself that, the day you picked out this week to go on an opiate vacation IS your Christmas Day, every night leading up to it will feel like Christmas Eve.

I know it's a bummer holding on to opiates and constantly thinking how good you can feel RIGHT NOW instead of waiting 5 days but, that's where SWIM plugs into the Christmas Eve theory and so far, it has worked quite well.

[Dissociative]

Swim can understand that being the problem. Because while tolerance builds, and your mind becomes more capable of handling opiates/opoids without being left lying around incapable, you can do those things. Swim can do the work, school, homework, girlfriend(of which is not associated with this, and gets plenty of time spent with by swim), and life thing while on vacation. No its not the same vacation as yours, but f you lived in hawaii it wouldn't be as great in a week of swiy's time, as it would be for someone who just came for a week of vacation, but you live there, so its good. Done knock the people who use them frequently, yes its not good. But don't go saying that they are all avoiding reality. Swim knows its not going to give him a good paying job, but it keeps the rain off of him when its storming.

[BANGINCOLOR]

But if you are constantly putting yourself in a state of mind that is not real, what else would you call it? The feelings your body and mind receive while under the influence of the opiates is not normal human behavior. It's not a natural thing.

Are you saying you want to do them so often in your life so that they become a "normal" part of your life? So, being under the influence of opiates will be normal for you, right?

SWIM was in a car wreck, broke his neck and has 2 herniated disks and is on opiates all the time. So, for SWIM, being on opiates is normal now. SWIM DOES take opiates just like you described in your 1st post. From SWIM's experience doing this, he can tell you this:

The fun, euphoria feeling is pretty much gone. Yes, SWIM does feel noticeably....."in a better mode" when on them but no more vacation type episodes anymore. SWIM for now on lives in a bi-polar state of mind. Either he is feeling the withdrawal effects and his back is killing him from not taking them in a while to no more withdrawal effects and the back stops hurting. That's it.

SWIM has done both. He has taken oxycodone products recreationally years before his accident and he takes them now, every day for his health. Believe me, SWIM REALLY misses the times when ONE 30mg roxicodone would have him feeling fantastic, on top of the world pre-accident. Now three 80mg/day oxycontins just keeps him "normal" with NO EUPHORIA.

If you are fortunate enough to have a choice, man, it's a no brainer, just take them on the weekends or something. Do whatever you can to keep your tolerance as low as possible or you'll end up like SWIM. Your choice though so do whatever you want.

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Unfortunately, Swim no longer has a choice. He is sorry to hear how Swiy came about this problem, its unfortunate for someone to end up like that without choosing it, but Swim doesn't take a normal dose day to day, nor is it the same thing. Its a terrible road, and the farther you are on it, the farther it takes to get back. Swim wouldn't mind being clean, but isn't up for going back and detoxing just yet. He's detoxed once by choice, and the other was because of jail. Please do not act like swim is just popping vicodin that was prescribed to someone in his house, Swim has been around the block, and has yet to move on.

[BANGINCOLOR]

If you don't mind me asking, did SWIY have to force detox while in jail? I read they are giving suboxone to convicted drug users in jail to help get them off.

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well, Swim wasn't in jail for a real long period of time, but he was in the long enough to get through withdrawals. It wasn't a state penationary, just a county jail. Then he had to go to r e h a b, works, don't it