Euphoria 'on the go', at work, school, etc.

[Dissociative]

Swim here has a small question. Its nothing really important, but since the forums have been a little inactive, he thought he would post. Does anyone enjoy doing opiates while they're at other places? What SWIM means, is that he for example, enjoys using smaller doses (enough to get a good euphoria, but not enough to make it obvious) at work, school, and several other places. Its great to do large doses at home, but he loves doing it and having that feeling at school. He use's a certain type of bic pens(pretty cheap) that have a lot of room in them, melts the end of the cap to get rid of the hole, and can put whatever to snort 'on the go' wherever. The ones he has can ussually hold like a little bit over two fairly good sized vicodin. Anyone else enjoy this like Swim does?

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nice question and promoting discussion with new threads is ALWAYS welcome!

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM personally hates sniffing vicodin due to the huge amounts of binders and APAP, but he gets what SWIY means, and he'd tend to agree. The wonderful and terrible thing about opioids is that some people can use them anytime, anywhere. Oral ingestion is generally easiest on the go, but most opioid users can manage to figure out a way to use wherever they desire. Personally SWIM loves using at the beach or in the mountains, or while in clubs/bars/parties/etc. Unfortunately the fact that opioids can be used in so many situations really increases their potential for abuse...

[Dissociative]

Swim least favorie to snort is vicodin, but because of how large they are, and because they are fairly familiar to most people here, he used them to explain how much they could hold. It takes like the room of two pins and a bathroom stall for swim to do it, he has fun snorting anyway, swallowing pills just isn't has much fun.

[Nature Boy]

SWIM would only do opiates at home or near a bed he can crash in alternatively. He starts nodding off when on opiates and he wouldn't want to be doing that in public.

[sciencedj]

Since SWIM has an intrathecal morphine pump, SWIM does opiates everywhere he goes.

To answer the question.....swim has the option of taking pills for "breakthrough pain". SWIM enjoys taking these pills for "breakthrough" pain at family get-togethers or outdoor festivals/fairs or clubs and bars. Since these are prescribed pills, SWIM does not need to hide his stash or worry about anybody finding out.

SWIM takes his opiates orally (and intrathecally). SWIM is not against snorting drugs (i.e ritalin, speed), but does not like to snort his opiates (MSIR). SWIm does not take enough to nod in public, but he likes to take just enough "to feel it". SWIM does not drive under the influence.

[Klaus]

Absolutely yes Swim loves to use opiates while walking, fishing and even while working out. But Swim would advise caution to swiy.

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM thinks this is an interesting question, actually, since in his experience there are two general sets of perceived positive effects that lab rats get when they use opiates. There are people who get very sleepy, content, nodding off, and don't want to do anything. These people would be more likely to use opiates at home, and SWIM suspects that these users would use less frequently due to the fact that they can't do much while under the influence, and would likely fall asleep or get nauseous. SWIM falls into the second, and he suspects, smaller, category, where the users will feel more social, energetic, wakeful, and find pleasure in performing tasks, whether that is doing one's job, studying, writing, playing music, or going out to coffee. This second group may have something different going on with their natural opioid receptors, which is why they see more appeal in using opiates/opioids "on the go". What do you SWIYs think?

[DrMuffy]

Yes SWIdr loves doing different opiates in man places like: classes, friends, movies, outside, parties, resaruants, and some other places. Of course his dose is in moderation for these events so he can act normally (as said above). SWIdr enjoys doing them at home alone with the tele on or a nice movie going. Of course earlier in his life, SWIdr was said to have "A very addictive personality" by his psyciatrist, so he may like doing opiates anywhere in general just because of his "diagnoses".

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by DrMuffy

Of course earlier in his life, SWIdr was said to have "A very addictive personality" by his psyciatrist, so he may like doing opiates anywhere in general just because of his "diagnoses".

SWIM thinks that having an "addictive personality", at times, may be at least in part a by-product of increased euphoria from drugs up and beyond what many people would experience. SWIM postulates that perhaps some people who experience more euphoria and heightened social skills from opioids may naturally have lower amounts of endorphins or opioid receptors, so after they try opioids, they notice that they are able to interact "normally" in addition to a large euphoria. SWIM is not saying this is necessarily the case with SWIDr, but that it may be the case with some people (such as, perhaps, SWIM?) The danger here, as SWIM stated above, is that the experience of "normal social interactions while using drugs" creates additional reinforcement and desire to use the drug in "normal" circumstances, aside from partying or solo recreational use, and that can very quickly lead to addiction if a person or lab rat perceives that the best way to function normally is to self-medicate with opioids. So, as with all drugs, opioids are something to be respected and not over-used.

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We share the same theory. Well put.

[Klaus]

Swim is in the same camp as Swiftsls as in he can function VERY well even with high doses. Swim NEVER nods even with Dia Morph and has often wondered why ?

[Dissociative]

Swim would have to say this does make sense, because most people he knows or people that talk about it usually say it makes them drowsy and such. Swim though is quite a bit different, he enjoys doing different things (nothing to active, as it will lessen his high by quite a bit if he is trying to do something) in different places. He also actually almost always has problem sleeping, I don't know what it is, but after a night of opiates, he often will lay in bed a ways into the next morning with terrible insomnia (anyone share this?). Also, he becomes 2 ways with people, he is either very kind or talkative, or with some people he becomes highly aggitated by them. When he;s with his girlfriend, he is excessively in love with her, and constantly thinks about it.

Originally Posted by Forthesevenlakes

SWIM thinks this is an interesting question, actually, since in his experience there are two general sets of perceived positive effects that lab rats get when they use opiates. There are people who get very sleepy, content, nodding off, and don't want to do anything. These people would be more likely to use opiates at home, and SWIM suspects that these users would use less frequently due to the fact that they can't do much while under the influence, and would likely fall asleep or get nauseous. SWIM falls into the second, and he suspects, smaller, category, where the users will feel more social, energetic, wakeful, and find pleasure in performing tasks, whether that is doing one's job, studying, writing, playing music, or going out to coffee. This second group may have something different going on with their natural opioid receptors, which is why they see more appeal in using opiates/opioids "on the go". What do you SWIYs think?

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Dissociative

Swim would have to say this does make sense, because most people he knows or people that talk about it usually say it makes them drowsy and such. Swim though is quite a bit different, he enjoys doing different things (nothing to active, as it will lessen his high by quite a bit if he is trying to do something) in different places. He also actually almost always has problem sleeping, I don't know what it is, but after a night of opiates, he often will lay in bed a ways into the next morning with terrible insomnia (anyone share this?). Also, he becomes 2 ways with people, he is either very kind or talkative, or with some people he becomes highly aggitated by them. When he;s with his girlfriend, he is excessively in love with her, and constantly thinks about it.

Insomnia seems to be a fairly common side effect of opioid use with some people. SWIM is guessing this would be mainly seen with people who opt to be active and go out or feel more social while under the influence. With many people, they state that opioids will just make them fall asleep. SWIM has a no opioids within a few hours before bedtime rule, since he gets similar insomnia as the kind SWIY describes. Additionally, SWIM also sees a social dichotomy in some users where they become either extremely kind, or very easily aggravated by others. SWIM used to become extremely irritable when dealing with people he didn't like while under the influence of hydrocodone, but oddly enough, this effect seems to have dissipated over the years. Now SWIM just finds that he'll look for common ground for discussion when talking to people while high, rather than being irritated at them (not to mention SWIM tends to LIKE more people than he used to, he's become alot more sociable and less elitist over the years).

[Dissociative]

Ill have to have Swim look some of this stuff up. He trys not to do anything late, unless he can stay up late. He still gets irritated by some people, not a lot of people, its usually people he doesn't like much, or is usually indifferent to. Friends that I don't talk to much anymore I will even show kindness a lot, and Swim will feel a lot of love for his girlfriend(not that he normally doesn't) when he is on opiates, and its not sexually in anyway, just genuine love and affection. Swim will have to do some research on different ways people are effected with opiate use.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Dissociative

Swim will feel a lot of love for his girlfriend(not that he normally doesn't) when he is on opiates, and its not sexually in anyway, just genuine love and affection.

SWIY should consider himself lucky he has a girlfriend to express that to, as such feelings can lead to some wacky situations when one lacks a significant other. SWIM definitely recalls a couple times when he was single where he called several female friends and attempted to propose marriage. As a consequence, SWIM now has several romantic comedy-style marriage contracts that are due to kick in in a few years, and SWIM can't help but wonder if he'll be ready to tie the knot by then, ha ha.

[Dissociative]

Thats actually kind of funny. Yeah, swim is glad actually, because there have been times that he would of married someone on the spot if they struck the right nerve. It makes things kind of nice, swim has never been bad with words, and opiates (mostly when she doesn't know they are in his system yet) can make her feel wonderful. Hope All goes well for swiy.

[Klaus]

FTSLS >SWIM has a no opioids within a few hours before bedtime rule, since he gets similar insomnia

This is a good rule, and one that swim should persevere to adhere to. Swim has had many a night when he would be better off sleeping only to find he is unable to close his eyes even while using opiates for pain.

[DrMuffy]

^^^^^^^^
Thats funny because its the total opposite for SWIdr and many other people. Well for most opiates anyways (excluding tramadol). This just goes to show you how different peoples brain chemistry can be and the different ways they react to pills.

[Klaus]

Its always been that way even with Hypnotics .

[DrMuffy]

Well SWIdr can agree on some level, because sometimes he enjoys the euphoria and effects of some downers ie zopidem to get to sleep. But in general downers/pain killers usually make SWIdr mildly tired, and makes it easy for him to drift away to lala land haha.

[Psych0naut]

SWIM is the first type FTSL described, he always get's very sedated and just wants to lay on his bed, and chill out on some music.
He never has any trouble falling asleep while under opiates, rather the opposite, he becomes very very sleepy on the end.
The hangover alway's consists of sleepyness and lazyness for SWIM the next day, which is a major disadvantage, but keeps him from doing it often.

[Dissociative]

Swim thinks that a few times he has noticed a 'hangover', so to speak, from opiates, but they were very mild, unless you want to count the fact that he did only get an hour of sleep or so, that could of been the cause.

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM has never noticed much of a hangover from opiates either, except for his very early days of use, some 7 years ago when he'd become slightly irritable during a comedown, this only lasted about an hour. Now SWIM pretty much just gets what dissociative describes...lack of sleep if SWIM takes an opiate too late in the day.

[Dissociative]

Swim finds it rather annoying, not being able to sleep. Because when he gets home from work(late), he would like to do some, but can't because he has to get up early.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Dissociative

Swim finds it rather annoying, not being able to sleep. Because when he gets home from work(late), he would like to do some, but can't because he has to get up early.

SWIM wonders about the ratio of moderate and habitual (read: daily) opioid users who experience energy and insomnia from opioids. SWIM is guessing that people who want to sleep while under the influence would tend to moderate their use a bit more, and that people who can use anywhere without nodding off would be represented in a higher percentage in the daily user category. Perhaps the insomnia for SWIY can be thought of as a blessing in disguise; it's a factor that could help moderate use for SWIY and keep dosages more infrequent.

[BANGINCOLOR]

What's your favorite food? Let's say it's chocolate cake. Would you eat chocolate cake 3 times a day? 5 times a day? We all know what would happen if you did....even though it's your favorite food, you would get sick of it pretty quick.

Absence makes the mind grow fonder. If SWIY hasn't done opiates too often, one problem is tolerance and if SWIY is doing them all the time, SWIY will constantly be struggling with tolerance and requiring higher and higher doses.

SWIM thinks like this.....opiate sessions are little mini-vacations from life. You feel an extra, extra good you wouldn't feel without the opiates. If SWIY is doing them all the time, they are using opiates the wrong way, to avoid reality and stay on vacation which is not good.

Get the work done, get the homework done, the school thing done, the family thing done, the girlfriend/wife thing done and AFTER SWIY gets things in their life together, THEN go on an opiate vacation. That's just how SWIM feels.