Serious question, help needed (quite long)

[velocity88]

Hello everyone, over the past week SWIM has been searching the internet looking for some information to help him with the following, but has had no luck.

SWIM's found a website that has 2 products that are "alternatives to LSD" but is concerned about the ingredients. SWIM is taking cymbalta (60mg) each day, but has not noticed any effects really and has been taking it for 1 month.

SWIM's question:

SWIM found a product( no longer for sale) with the ingredients Amino Acid Blend, Citrus Aurantium, Vit B1, B5, B6, Calcium Ascorbate, Encapsulating Aids, Piperazine Blend. It also had this warning:

Maximum recommended dosage three capsules.

Taking more than the recommended dosage will cause side effects typical of ATS drugs.

Do not exceed the stated dose.

May function as CNS stimulant, may cause elevated heart rate and short term insomnia, not suitable for persons with any medical condition, mental illness, pregnant or lactating mothers.

Particularly not suitable for any person with any heart or liver condition.

Do not combine with any medicines or drugs.

Ensure water intake is approximately 600ml per hour.

PHENYLKETONICS TAKE NOTE: CONTAINS PHENYLANINE

*Over 18s Only

These are not herbal highs, these are semisynthetic legal highs, developed as a drug harm minimisation solution.

Over 20 million of these pills have been safely consumed over 5 years.

Combining with SSRIs, MAOIs or other antidepressants is contradicted.

Due to the high number of modern medicines (such as prozac) which use the same enzyme (CYP2D6) to metabolise as the pep pills do, we don't recommend anybody on any other medicines take this product.

This product is a diuretic, so combining with alcohol will cause dehydration and an awful hangover.

The second product has the ingredients Amino Acid Blend, Gelatin (Capsule Shell), 1-benzylpiperazine, 1-(3-trifluromethylphenyl) Piperazine, Caffeine, Vitamin B1, Vitamin B5, Vitamin B6, Magnesium Stearate.

SWIMs main concern and question is what is in the first product that makes in unsafe if on SSRIs that isn't in the 2nd product.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Flaming is not tolerated here (even in pm)

[Nagognog2]

Both contain piperazines. So both would be/ should be covered with the said warning. Read: Don't mix these with an SSRI.

As this is not about herbal products and is refering to piperazines, it belongs in the piperazine forum. So moved.