Weird substance in XTC

[BigupBelgium]

SWIM didn't know where to put thise thread so general area seems the best choise. Anyhow one time he got a red pill, with a ferrari sign on it, he took them and felt a better rush then X had given him before but after an hour or two he felt terrible, going warm and cold, having the sensation of burning needles in his shoulder-neck area, and stomach aches. At least 3 other people he knows took the same pills and felt awfull. The most suprising to him was the small quantity that inflicted those uncomfertable sensations (from a half a pill to two). He guesses that it was speed since he's nephew, who is used to large quantities of speed and coke, didn't have as much nasty feelings as the rest of them did. SWIM never tried speed and wasn't going to coz he heard about a lot of nasty effects that can occur. But maybe it was just badly made (doesn't make a lot of sense to me because Belgium and the Netherlands are the biggest XTC producing countries in the world, so the make it at a professional level ?!?). I'm just wondering what could have caused it because he wants to avoid it happening ever again. BTW I heard about H being mixed into E or X or whatever you wanna call those pills.

[Solipsist]

I think Heroin in Ecstasy pills is a myth. Even if it's possible, I don't see any reason why someone would put a strong opiate/downer into a Ecstasy pill, and there are cheaper adulterants. And I'm not even sure that you can put a signifiant dose of Heroin in a small pill. But correct me if I'm wrong.

[Nagognog2]

Yes - a dose of heroin could easily fit in a pressed pill. But cost-wise, it would be ridiculous. Heroin, milligram for milligram, sells for considerably more than MDMA. The rumors of there being heroin in XTC have been around a long time. They stem from the incredible euphoria that MDMA is noted for. Some long-term users of drugs, when first given MDMA, assumed it was heroin as they had no other type of experience/euphoria to compare it with.

This thread is being moved to the XTC forum.

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM once got to smoke heroin at a crazy courier party almost six years ago. It's definitely a different buzz to E, according to SWIM, and was more detached and lacked the warmth of Ecstasy. SWIM was also able to detect its distinctive sweet smell/taste for the next two or three days, even in her persperation. She did not like the drug's clinginess and never wanted to try it again. Based on that experience, SWIM doesn't think any MDMA pills she's tried contain heroin.

Wonder if the pills SWIY tried might have been some other MDMA analog or something such as TMA?

[BigupBelgium]

Okay it probably wasn't H. SWIM doesn't have that much experience with those kind of drugs hes more off a recreational user. I dunno what TMA is, anyhow I always heard that pure MDMA? crystals are better than pills if SWIY doesn't want any other substances in his blood. all SWIM knows is that these pills consist only for 50 percent MDMA, so whats the rest of the sh*t they put in these pills?

[Paracelsus]

The other 50% of the pills are probably fillers like lactose, talc, etc. These are inactive. But it's nothing new that "Ecstasy" pills contain other (active) substances than MDMA.

Pure MDMA crystals might also be something else. Especially if they are not real crystals but powder.

[DigitalAngel]

Tablets causing problamatic "weird sensations" and vomiting could well be PMA. Someone you met should check out Erowids vault on it.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_PMA.shtml

Nasty by all accounts. SWIM fortunately hasn't ever come across it

the H thing is indeed an urban myth

[BigupBelgium]

Originally Posted by DigitalAngel

Tablets causing problamatic "weird sensations" and vomiting could well be PMA. Someone you met should check out Erowids vault on it.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_PMA.shtml

Nasty by all accounts. SWIM fortunately hasn't ever come across it

the H thing is indeed an urban myth

Dunno sounds like it though I didn't puke nor did i feel i was gonna have to, really the mean thing i remeber is the needles in my shoulder area, that was sick and xtremly painfull.

[DigitalAngel]

at least one post on erowids vault talking about temperature fluctuations.

its a possible

[BigupBelgium]

yeah i know. These are agents frequently used in cocaine as well. luckely SWIm has only had crystals if he bought some MD. (since I live in a country that, surely during the 90's was, is one of the biggest E and so MDMa producing countries in the world)

[BigupBelgium]

Getting overheated is more of a common problem if something goes wrong with these substances coz they make ur bodytemperature rise.

[DigitalAngel]

chemist could have been trying to make something else and ended up with a different product.

This is just one more reason why, the decriminalisation of substances such as MDMA would benefit the public. But I will not rant....that for a different thread

[BigupBelgium]

yea lots of possibilities chemistry is dangerous when preformed by unexperienced people. the funniest bit of the story is that SMIN (N= nephew and friends) bought a 100 of them. ROLF

[Nacumen]

Originally Posted by BigupBelgium

ROLF

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Sounds like PMA for sure. PMA should be good at around 50mg, but many users begin to rapidly develop problems at doses of 80 or even 60 mg. So, if those pills already have a good amount of PMA in them, and you take several of them, your best-case scenario forecast for the next day would probably be waking up in a hospital bed.

[Nacumen]

Double-post FTL.

[rxbandit]

swim has heard there is some validity to the urban myth of H in E tabs. swim has heard brown speckles are a tell tales sign and swim would also like to offer the possibility that H is widely available on the East coast of the US but the stigma makes the market for H nonexistent out of the slums. whose to say someone did not get cheap H and try to pass it off as H? its quite addictive so an unscrupolous dealer could trick a timid public into consuming his product... swim has seen people try to pass off some interesting mix's and claim it is in fact mdma. swim does not think this myth is so farfetched...

[DigitalAngel]

Originally Posted by rxbandit

swim has heard there is some validity to the urban myth of H in E tabs. swim has heard brown speckles are a tell tales sign and swim would also like to offer the possibility that H is widely available on the East coast of the US but the stigma makes the market for H nonexistent out of the slums. whose to say someone did not get cheap H and try to pass it off as H? its quite addictive so an unscrupolous dealer could trick a timid public into consuming his product... swim has seen people try to pass off some interesting mix's and claim it is in fact mdma. swim does not think this myth is so farfetched...

Of all the pills chemically examined (viwed on a range of online sources), SWIM has never ever been aware of H being present.

[rxbandit]

swim offers this to you then;

http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.p...ield=Substance

it may be rare but swim has infact seen many identical pills to the ones listed above around... it is rare but people put whatever is available to make money... swim also notes E-tabs are more expensive in the states and H is much cheaper again around major east coast ports; in swims experience.

[DigitalAngel]

Originally Posted by rxbandit

swim offers this to you then;

http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.p...ield=Substance

it may be rare but swim has infact seen many identical pills to the ones listed above around... it is rare but people put whatever is available to make money... swim also notes E-tabs are more expensive in the states and H is much cheaper again around major east coast ports; in swims experience.

SWIM does stand mistaken. although SWIMs been on that site, i've never noticed that one individual report. Although the "note" does state that they suspect it was made specifically to send into ecstasydata.org.

[Abrad]

This is discussed in at least one other thread. The pill you linked to is believed to have been pressed specifically to be tested on ecstasydata. Resaons for this are unclear.

[SubSonic7]

SWIM once had a pill and experienced quite delayed trance like effects, hallucinations of flowing electricity (when SWIM's eyes were shut) and sweating like SWIM had never experienced with XTC before. Upon enquiring about this SWIM discovered that these E's (stamped with a butterfly) were imported from Holland and contain a quantity of K (ketamine). SWIM assumes it was the ketamine responsible for the delay in reaction and also the quite intense trance like state. Has anyone else ever heard of this combination in pills before? In SWIM's opinion it wasn't particularly pleasant.

[BigupBelgium]

Yeah it's a problem in the drugindustry way to much money involved so lots of people don't give a fuck about the users, its all bout the money so they sell u anything. Its really hard to control any powdery substance on what that powder consists off. Geezes SWIM just feels like its immoral and hurting the community, giving drugs a bad name.

[FrankenChrist]

I'm thinking PMA -was the come-up rather long?-
or mCPP or other piperazines.

Other than that, you sound like you can use a break from mind altering substances for a while.