SWIM can't stop thinking about Oxycontin

[yolaluver]

SWIM had an 80mg pill about 2 months ago, he first took approx 5mg the first time, waited a couple days took a little more the next time, maybe taking it every couple days maybe a week would pass, and then he took a 20mg hit threw the nose with the last of his pill. It's been 2 months and he can't stop thinking about and where he can get some more. He knows he can get it from someone but doesn't want to spend the money.

Atleast once a day he will look on google images of OC, he longs for that feeling again but knows he shouldnt do it again. His roommate has vidocden somewhere in the apartment, SWIM tore up the house looking for it.

what can swim do to curb this urge. He works out regualarly, eats a perfect diet, sleeps right, and has a low stress job.

He tried smoking weed and that just gave him a headache and cottonmouth

[whorse]

sounds like you might have an addictive personality if you've been craving it for 2 months. SWIM would suggest you try to stay away from opiates in general, before you find a drug connection and get in over your head

[Forthesevenlakes]

The first step may be to tell SWIYself that he should not do OC again. The fact that SWIY can't stop thinking about oxycontin shows a dangerous disposition towards potential addiction to a very addictive drug. SWIY must accept that if he takes oxycontin again, or for that matter any opiate, there is a good chance he will not be able to stop.

Does SWIY believe that opiates change him in such a way that his life is better while he is using them, or that they provide a temporary solution to a certain problem? SWIY may want to examine his motives of why he uses the drug, or why he cannot stop thinking about it.

Then it may be time for a bit of cognitive restructuring. After making a list of reasons SWIY wants to use oxycodone/other opiates, and why he seems fixated on it, perhaps spend some time thinking about what would probably actually happen if he did OC again. Addiction, spending inordinate amounts of money, etc. are some things SWIY could list, but also SWIY should recognize that the high from these drugs are actually pretty short lived, and there is no guarantee that every experience with the drug is going to be as great as the first time. SWIY may want to be as brutal as possible with the downsides of use, because what SWIY should do is form associations between the use of these drugs and negative outcomes, rather than possible ones. That way, when SWIY happens to see an image of oxycontin, or thinks about it, he will get a negative reaction rather than a possible one.

This is just one possible idea as to how to stop thinking about use as much, other members may have different suggestions.

[Nagognog2]

Watching the film "Basketball Diaries" by James Carroll might also help give SWIM a clue of where this leads. If that doesn't help - buy SWIM's mother a shovel for her next birthday.

It's a slow death. It hurts everyone to watch.

[Klaus]

Forthe sevenlakes >and there is no guarantee that every experience with the drug is going to be as great as the first

A VERY good point Subsequent use of any opiate is never as good as the very first is it ?

[Alfa]

OC? Are we talkiing about OxyContin or other forms of OxyCodone here? Please use a descriptive title and full name of the drug.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Klaus

Forthe sevenlakes >and there is no guarantee that every experience with the drug is going to be as great as the first

A VERY good point Subsequent use of any opiate is never as good as the very first is it ?

SWIM is a bit different in that his first experiences were not that astounding, but for most people, the first few will be the best, and it might not make much sense to try and recapture them. This seems to hold for many drugs.

[Dissociative]

Well, you are really just going to have to tell yourself that you are not going to get that feeling nearly as much again. I know what you mean by having it hard to get off your mind, but your just going to have to keep pushing through that. A lot of it is because you haven't had a lot of experience anywhere. Mine so far haven't been nearly as good as the first time with just about anything. Even dxm never matched the first time I did that.

[Fantasian]

Make a decision,

Choose life or choose OC.

Its that simple. It was for SWIF anyway with morphine.

[tonymontana]

everyone that swim knows that did oxycontin habitually, eventually opted to save money by doing heroin. i dont think that i will ever touch the stuff for fear of a very probable addiction. one guy who used to come into the conveniant store i worked at had a good job, with an $80,000 a year salary, then he injured his back, was prescribibed oxys at first, then vicodin, then when his doctor stopped giving him scripts, he started doing heroin, and he would come in to the store at 8 in the morning to buy some silver thunder 40s.

[Maximill]

SWIM thinks it's not worth the pain. If SWIM could go back in time SWIM would never have done opiates. SWIM has been on and off addicted to opiates for around 5 years (since SWIM was a senior in high school) Get out while you still can, its not a fun road, and the drugs lose their fun. SWIM doesnt leave the house w/ out some dose of oxy's and SWIM doenst do ANYTHING fun unless he's high (even seeing a movie) SWIM is trying to quit right now and has been stuck in the house for about a month. It's not fun, stop while SWIY can.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Maximill is definitely right. Almost everyone with an opiate habit regrets going down that road, and they advise others to keep from following in their path. Opiates are a wonderful lover but a harsh mistress, as the member Hlucn8 puts it. But their allure is so powerful that they quickly become one's mistress. Before one tries opiates, they should think about and accept the fact that they may have to give up many things in order to afford a habit, and realize that mantaining a habit is a full time job. Setting many ground rules (using no more than a couple times a month, and only dosing once in that day, setting limits on how much to spend on opiates, promising to never rob/sell their possessions/cheat people in order to acquire money for opiates, etc.) can help, but also bear in mind that if one gets into a serious addiction, one will quickly find a way to rationalize the shadiest behaviors to get more opiates. And finally, if one finds that they are using daily or need opiates to have fun, stop immediately and do not touch the stuff for a very long time, if ever again.

Maximill, thanks for sharing SWIY's story, and for telling the honest truth about the dangers of diving into these drugs. Some people can adopt a "take it or leave it" attitude towards opiates, but they are few and far between.

[atemeles5]

Kratom helped SWIM a lot. Swim don't use opioids from 6 months (after 8 years on and off). But I'm sure SWIM will use again in the future. On and off. forever

[csharpprogrammer]

Originally Posted by atemeles5

Kratom helped SWIM a lot. Swim don't use opioids from 6 months (after 8 years on and off). But I'm sure SWIM will use again in the future. On and off. forever

Well thats a shitty attitute for the future.

[julian]

Originally Posted by csharpprogrammer

Well thats a shitty attitute for the future.

at least he's being honest with himself instead of being in denial about his use. being an addict is one thing, but being an addict and refusing to admit that he/she has a problem is much worse.

[atemeles5]

You have to choose: Using it forever or be forever melanconic of that sensation?
Normally you can't manage your sensation...some periods you are sad some periods you feel good, but yuo can't decide when. Well with substance you can. Obviovously you can't be forever high. Pleasure doesn't exist without pain. So...IN and OUT , pleasure and pain, black and white, YING and YANG forever. When you can't choose when they call it LIFE.
(sorry for the bad english but is not my own language)

[Donmeka]

SWIM uses opiates recreationally for maybe the past 2yrs. Oxycontin every now and then and a vike or perc here and there. never has SWIM ever made a real habit of it but he does enjoy it when he does have it.

SWIM has seen the long dirty road of opiate addiction through the eyes of a couple friends (OC is like an epidemic where SWIM is) for example SWIM was at his friends wedding party and 1 big indian friend of SWIMs said he was faded off OC. being his friend SWIM asked "cool cool what did u take an 80 or what?" and he responded nah 9 of them. now i know the guys huge but GOD DAMN. SWIM has never done more than maybe 100mg in a day but thats almost 800mg!!!!

SWIM loves OC and knows the dangers, so he hopes hewill enjoy them responsibly for as long as he can. if he sees a decline in health or ease of life SWIM knows what he has to do. kiss the opiate queen and say toodaloo for a good while.

[Gaius315]

SWIM has been addicted for a year and a half. He started on percocet 10mg, eventually going to OC 10s and 20s, then to OC 40s. He spent half of ever paycheck on OCs. Finally, SWIM decided to quit and started doing Cocaine to be able to work through the withdrawals. SWIM got paid $680 on friday, by sunday he was broke and out of coke. He began to do worse at work and lost his job because of severe depression. To get out of the depression, SWIM went back to OC 40s. After sometime, and only because he was unable to find anything for sale, SWIM started taking methadone and lowered the dosage until he was drug free. Then SWIM's friend offered him an OC 40 which he snatched in an instant. SWIM was hooked again. Months later, he still does an average of 20mgs a day and is miserable whenever he doesn't have anything. When he's without, he can't enjoy any of his hobbies, go to work, and doesn't feel like leaving the house. He sleeps and watches tv all day.

Opiates might be fun as a recreational thing every once in a while and SWIM sees no problem with it. The hardships brought on to addicts stem not from the drug, but the lack of the drug. The lack of the drug is due to the price. The price is due to supply and demand. Demand is high and supply is low because the drugs are so heavily controlled by the government. It's safe to say, the hardships of the addicts are caused by the government, not the drug. SWIM has suffered with depression since he was 13 and has tried many anti-depressants to no avail. Opiates are the first thing he found that lets him enjoy a life free of meaningless depression. Opiates should be prescribed for depression, but are not.

SWIM has nothing against the drug, but do yourself a favor and avoid it if at all possible. Society and the government make enjoying what could be the greatest natural substance (opium) on the face of the earth taboo and next to impossible to maintain. Unless you're wealthy or have a prescription of your own, steer clear.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by atemeles5

Kratom helped SWIM a lot.

Even kratom use can become an unpleasant dependency at some point, and in SWIM's experience it's psychologically very tough to kick. Maybe even worse than opiates in terms of the mental aspects... the depression can be severe. SWIM suspects that kratom tweaks other neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and serotonin, in addition to opiate receptors.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

Even kratom use can become an unpleasant dependency at some point, and in SWIM's experience it's psychologically very tough to kick. Maybe even worse than opiates in terms of the mental aspects... the depression can be severe. SWIM suspects that kratom tweaks other neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and serotonin, in addition to opiate receptors.

SWIM would agree with this statement. Kratom has a complex pharmacology, more so than opiates due to the presence of several psychotropic alkaloids in the plant. There are opioid effects with kratom, but the stimulatory effects of kratom (which remind SWIM of tramadol) suggest to SWIM that there are serotinergic or noradrenergic properties to some of the alkaloids as well. Because of this, one could expect some rebound depression due to depletion of serotonin after stopping kratom use, so that is something to keep in mind as well when substituting kratom for opiates.

[atemeles5]

I never feel this huge depression with kratom withdrawls. But the lack of serotonine/dopamine in the body after stopping with kratom can be replaced with antidepresssants that inhibit dopamine absorbe

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by atemeles5

You have to choose: Using it forever or be forever melanconic of that sensation?

SWIM disagrees... the memories fade and become hazy after a few years, like all memories do. After that one tends not to think about opiates at all/ever, unless reminded by something externally.