Do people realize how strong meth is? (compared to other amps)

[izzy31]

Most people don't know crystal meth is 5x more powerful than amphetamine or over 3 times as strong as cocaine - It's the king of it's kind, the most powerful and potent of amphetamines (and perhaps any stimulant).

Meth makes adderall and ritalin a joke - just kiddie coke -

So who's REALLY aware of how powerful this stuff is?

BTW, do I have this right?

1 line of meth is equal to 5 lines of amp. that are the same size

[vantranist]

I'm not sure but i dont think when they say a drugs more "powerfull" it means the high it gives you. I belive it refers more to the size of a standard dose.

For instances If a standard dose of meth is 40 MG and a standard dose of cocaine in 80 MG then Meth is twice as strong. That doesnt really mean much tho.

Nicotine is one of the Strongest drugs out there by weight, active at around 200 micro grams an active amount of meth is around 5 mg so technicly Nicotine is 25 X Stronger than meth. as you can see saying a drug is powerfull doesn't really mean shit.

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[Henfer]

Actually, if you do meth first before ever doin speed etc. (say, you know the effects of coke, speed more or less personally), you could start thinking that the speed (amphetamine, not meth) you bought and snorted in is just sugar (comparing the effects on you, especially as a lot of people think that speed doesn't hold you awake as long as meth does - people on meth staying awake 3-5 days in a row regulary - never heard the same of speed.

oh and the mind. i would say speed makes you speedy actually only in the body area, leaving out the mind pretty much (feeling a bit numb) - where meth just boosts you right up through the roof (especially if you are using it maybe once in a month oder two times in a month - then the high is really a high).

personally, i've never heard of any drug that gives you almost instantly that rocket boost with such low dose (anyone remember the amphetamine people who laughed at your meth line compared to their speed line being twice as thick and long).

yeah but the price...$$$ + yourself and your life (if addicted). ok, actually, it isnt that costy - meth lines are somewhat 0.05 - 0.15 grams, and the gram of the "usual stuff" could be maybe xxxxxxx per gram. Do the calculation, one gram for a "every now and then user" who gets his ass lifted for 8 hours from a 0.05 line - yeah and then go and try speed with xxxx per gram, needing that much more of the drug for an effect some people would say as low as five times lower then meth.

@vantranist: actually, with comparing the "strength" of a drug i would not go the "that thing works with XX and that other stuff with YY".

maybe, comparing "usual doses" or even prices (compare 1 gram meth and 1 gram weed), but i never heard of any one that snorted that much speed that he was even near meth.

so, if you compare a "standard" line of meth, say 0.05 gram and a standard speed line for a speed user (0.2 - 0.4 somewhat?). viewing it from the gram-independet point of view of a "standard dosis of drug a and b", then you can say meth is somewhat five times stronger. makes easier for people to understand i think, at least, since einstein was there. then you go to your local teacher for chemistry and tell him, that, seen absolutely, and comparing that 0.05 gram meth has a five times stronger effect than 0.3 gram speed, than you would actually say, that the same amount of meth would be as high as (0.3/0.05)*5, so meth is actually about 30 times stronger than speed.

but most people would recommend that you snort 0.05 gram speed before you snort in 0.3g meth.

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Read the rules, no price discussion

[TheFonz]

Originally Posted by vantranist

Nicotine is one of the Strongest drugs out there by weight, active at around 200 micro grams an active amount of meth is around 5 mg so technicly Nicotine is 25 X Stronger than meth. as you can see saying a drug is powerfull doesn't really mean shit.

Apples and oranges.......They don't quite hit the same systems in the body


The methyl group allows the drug to cross the blood-brain barrier better and the drug becomes more "efficient" as a result it also becomes more potent.

[vantranist]

But by wieght Nicotine is still a stronger drug, fact.

I agree the effects of meth are much more potent but thats not really the subject

[Henfer]

also, you should not forget that nicotine are two different drugs depending on dosage: low dosage is a downer, high dosage an upper. using high dosage of nicotine (not a fatal one ) actually gives you a new drug.

[HandyMan81]

As a meth user E.T knows that its more potent then any other drugs, however its all different kinds of drugs. You can not compare meth to amphetamine or cocaine because effects are not the same. Living in holland and frequently using amphetamine E.T cant say witch drug is stronger then a other because many times the quality is a factor too. When using strong amphetamine and compare it with a bad quality meth, amphetamine will come out as the stronger one. Never compare drugs to eachother, just use them and enjoy!!!

[Henfer]

if you're looking for the most potent drug, SWIM would say that's LSD as it's measured in micrograms, while the most potent naturally occuring drug should be salvinorin A.

but SWIM's always looking forward to learn more

[arman]

Potency does not mean anything when comparing how high someone can be by some drug. SWIM means it is not true that you can take for example 3x more amphetamine to feel the same high as 1x meth. You can't compare all different drugs by their relative potency.

From SWIM's personal experience, comparing ritalin to methamphetamine, SWIM once took 80mg ritalin orally, feeling very active and awake but after 1-2 hours SWIM decided to take 1mg clonazepam (a strong benzo) to come down and sleep, and it worked well, in less than an hour SWIM was completely asleep (and SWIM had other ritalin nights without clonazepam which made it impossible to sleep). Later, SWIM tried 20mg meth and felt very alert and awake, 5-6 hours after using meth SWIM consumed 2mg clonazepam to come down and sleep, it didn't do anything noticable and SWIM was unable to sleep that night. SWIM even took 5mg diazepam later that night which was totally ineffective.

So we can say meth is stronger (at least for keeping someone awake) no matter how much more ritalin someone take, it is just not going to reach meth. The added ritalin will just add to its side-effects.

SWIM knows some ppl may say ritalin is much weaker and should not be compared to meth. SWIM knows that ritalin is a very weak stimulant but by this experiment one can conclude that some drugs can't be as strong as some others no matter how much taken.

[iFeaRNLoathiNg]

thought this was interesting,
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For example, in lab experiments done on animals, sex causes dopamine levels to jump from 100 to 200 units, and cocaine causes them to spike to 350 units. "[With] methamphetamine you get a release from the base level to about 1,250 units, something that's about 12 times as much of a release of dopamine as you get from food and sex and other pleasurable activities."

Source http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/body/

[Nicaine]

This whole idea of stimulant potency/strength being something meaningful (e.g. comparing a bodybuilder to a wimp) is very much mistaken, as the wiser posters here have already pointed out.

For example, perhaps meth affects norepinephrine more than most other stimulants -- which would tend to destroy the ability to sleep and produce intense 'wired' feelings, without saying anything about euphoria. Or it's more euphoric than say cocaine, while cocaine has a stronger sexual boost effect. Etc. etc.

There's no valid way to say one drug is the king and others are a joke (as if comparing a strong-man to a skinny guy) -- the analogy is invalid, inaccurate and inapplicable. But 'penis waving' seems to be part of human nature.

P.S. let's not forget too that stimulants merely tap what's already there. So even if we do accept this "stronger" analogy, it means (A) physical exhaustion sooner, i.e. fewer worthwhile highs in a given time period, (B) harsher comedowns, (C) more physical risks/damage, etc. And sometimes subtlety delivers the best experience, although admittedly less so in the stimulant category.

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