Opinions - First Time on LSD: How Does It Compare To Mushrooms?

[dwtk]

SWIM has been researching for some time now on every drug he can think of, particularly LSD and Shrooms. SWIM was planning on trying Salvia soon, but now he isn't too sure if that's what he wants.

SWIM isn't really interested in shrooms because of their shadiness. The fact that they cause vomiting is enough to drive SWIM away.

SWIM wants to go on a journey. He's not trying to "trip balls" and go crazy. He wants to learn something and really go on a mystickal trip.

LSD really interests him, although it seems as though it may be too intense. SWIM has always been afraid of having a bad trip although he's never taken a hallucinogen. What would you recommend for SWIM?

Is shrooms a good place to start off? Is it less intense? SWIM is going to smoke shrooms for a less-intense 10-min experiment first (even though it isn't nearly as powerful). Maybe there's a certain LSD amount he should take first that is strong enough for him to get used to it, but not powerful enough to have a horrifying trip?

Thanks!

[-k4ge]

First of all, smoking shrooms is huge waste of mushrooms because high temperatures distroy the active chemicals in the mushrooms. If nausia is enough to make you turn away, get some gravol, or some other anti-nausia OTC med. Fasting before an experience can also prevent alot of the nausia.

Although LSD and Mushrooms are both Hallucinogens, they are both different in their own respects. My good friend SWIM has had a few mushroom trips that surpassed a few of his acid trips, some acid trips that where more intence then mushroom trips. Intencity is often gauged with potency/dose of the drug.

If you are still intrested in giving your monkey Mushrooms or LSD, start with a low dose 1.5 to 2 grams of mushrooms, or a half a hit, to a full hit of blotter.

[dwtk]

Ignore what I said about SWIM smoking them. That was just going to be for fun even though it is a waste.

About that dose you said, 1.5 grams and half a hit; will these be enough for SWIM to have a bad trip? SWIM wants to start off small just in case!

[-k4ge]

A bad trip can happen to anyone on any dose. Make sure your Monkey has somone sober watching them, make sure that they don't have anything to do that day or the next day, and don't give your monkey LSD or Mushrooms if they are depressed, or having any sort of issues. Bad trips are caused by being cocky, or ignoring the dangers of the drug.

And no, 1.5 grams or half a hit. If 1.5 isn't enough after a few hours, give your monkey another .5-1 gram. If half a hit isn't enough, give him the other half. You can always add more to the equation, but it's impossible to take any out.

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Good advice

[dwtk]

SWIM takes these kind of drugs very seriously. He has done an incredible amount of research on LSD the past year; basically everything he wants to know about bad trips.

He knows the worst that can happen, and he plans on being extremely prepared before trying it (right setting, sitter, etc.)

Do you think preparing too much can be a bad thing? If SWIM expects the possibilty of the worst that can happen, happen, will that make it happen? Sorry if that didn't make much sense.

[-k4ge]

It's good to prepair for the worst, but if you have done your research, and have a compitent sitter, you've started yourself off right. Worrying about it may cause bad things, but honestly, when the time comes for your monkey to take lsd or mushrooms, if he seems like somthings on his mind, or he is worried in any way, abort the procedure, and wait for another day.

[turkeyphant]

Originally Posted by David

Do you think preparing too much can be a bad thing? If SWIM expects the possibilty of the worst that can happen, happen, will that make it happen? Sorry if that didn't make much sense.

No it won't, but a positive mindset always helps. If you're so obsessed by the small possibility that there will be a bas aspect to the trip, it may not be conductive to a good set and setting. It's fine to be nervous, but if you can't shake the negativity try again a different time. To be honest though, SWIM believes there's no such thing as a wholly bad trip - every journey will have negative and positive parts and it's up to you to steer yourself toward the light. Even if you are a little apprehensive beforehand, chances are the change of perspective will make you forget all about it.

[big-lester]

if your monkey is thinking about the bad trip all the time, and when your monkey takes the acid for example thinking "i hope i don't have a bad trip" all the time, the chances that you have a bad trip will increase big time, but a bad trip isn't always bad thing, SWIBL learned A LOT from his bad trips, and usually when it's over, SWIBL is happy he had one.
personally, SWIBL thinks acid is less intense than shrooms, he thinks acid is MUCH less overwhelming than shrooms (all of swibl's friends agree with him on this one), acid won't cause nausea, BUT SWIBL doesn't think that for a first trip 12 hours of tripping is a good start. SWIBL thinks shrooms are a good starter (1.5 g of cubensis for example), but if SWID can get ahold of some 2c-b or something like that, that would be a good starter psychedelic in SWIBL's opinion.
one VERY important thing: like -k4ge said: if you are going to trip, do it on a day that you feel good, you don't have anything on your mind, and do it with a few people your really like, the coolest thing to do is to go to a forest or another beautiful spot in nature, but the "safest" thing to do is to do it somewhere you know, somewhere where you feel comfortable.
best thing would be to go with the shrooms, cuz it won't last too long, maybe making a tea out of em might take away the nausea?

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good advice.!.

[Nature Boy]

Doing mushrooms before attempting LSD helps A LOT. Effects at the peak are similar (LSD more intense though) and getting a few mushroom trips under the belt before attempting to tackle acid can be very beneficial. Don't worry about vomiting or nausea on mushrooms either. SWIM has vomited dozens of times when on shrooms but it never took away from the experience.

[CrookedEye]

All of this is dosage dependant, IME.. Swim has had very overwhelming, intense mushroom trips, as well as overwhelming (not bad) LSD trips.. In smaller doses, swim finds the LSD to be more pleasant and guidable, with less chance of negative feelings and attitude.. In high doses, swim also finds LSD to be a bit more guidable, while high doses of shrooms seem to take over and swim just hangs on for the ride.. Also, everytime swim vomits on shrooms, it seems to end the trip much faster and it never seems to get anymore intense after vomiting, where as once he eats the LSD, it pretty much doesn't matter how much he vomits or whatever, the trip still is gonna be the full experience, for that dosage..

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good info

[redpoppy]

LSD is all about going on a journey (SO I've heard) and on half a tab of decent LSD you're not likely to need a sitter (or at least not a sober one, someone who has experienced the drug before may be handy) so long as you are in a safe place which does not put you in danger of getting paranoid about getting caught etc. Open spaces are supposed to be good also.

Also, on half a trip it’s easier to remember that its all your own head. You control your anxieties at the end of the day and if you really want to you can control your thoughts and where they are going. If you are a person who is generally not anxious or fearful or stressed and are quite happy with yourself and life and the greater nature of things, it’s more than likely you'll be absolutely fine on LSD, although at the end of the day it’s your choice.

As for the 12 hours, SWIM doesn't think it is at all a problem and the only time it could be, would be if things seemed too much. In that situation, it’s good to be with someone you trust and know and REMEMBER the time will pass. SWIM feels that time passes very well and actually rather fast (could be because SIWM is having so much fun?) when experiencing LSD.

Also SWIM knew someone who did shrooms which were REALLY strong. It was their first time on such a drug and they had a "bad trip" not in the "help I’m scared" type of way but just in the "oh I don’t want to do this it's all too intense" kind of way. SWIM thinks this person just didn't understand that their body would feel the way it did or that they would hallucinate the way they did. This person liked being in control and wanted to have a good time as opposed to experience the places the drug took them.

LSD is a drug that will make you see all sorts of things but all the time you will know that you have taken the drug and that the things you see are in fact the born of what you see and not from out of your head. (Example, you wont see a giant toad fall from the sky and start bouncing on you form nowhere, not unless something green did actually fall from the sky towards you.) Just remember its okay to be out of control and out of it.

Also remember that you will physically be fine! Which is always good. You should also be mentally fine unless you have a history or inclination towards mental illness. And most importantly (see LSD comedown thread) there seems to be no real comedown issues like there can be form drugs like E.

SWIM would like to add that most people either prefer shrooms or cid but taking one and hating or enjoying it has no real bearing on whether you will enjoy or dislike the other. SWIM mentioned that one years of research suggests that SURELY this has to be done now?

Anyway. enough of SWIM. Let us know what this monkey of your decides and please tell us of his adventures!

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very well said.!.

[Dogears]

Most people get little nausia, if any with shrooms. However LSD goes father than shrooms or any other psychedellic, alot farther. Shrooms are a good introduction to psychedellics however.

[fatal]

if you are afraid of nausea and bad trips psychedelics may not be for you...

[hh339]

Hmm, actually SWIM enjoys having a "bad trip" sometimes. Often when SWIM has had a trip which started out negative, he gives in to that feeling and lets it develop even more. Then he deals with that feeling and those thoughts. SWIM can only speak for himself but its like his mind pulls out the things that is hidden in there and lets SWIM deal with it. Like theraphy really. Thats why SWIM enjoys the trip even more when the trip is over, kinda. Sure SWIM sometimes has a few hits when going out to drink beers or whatever, but thats when it can go bad too if you dont know what youre doing. As everyone keep saying: set and setting is very important and can be the difference between a good and a bad trip. An experienced sitter is also appreciated by many, though SWIM prefer to do it alone.

Oh, SWIM forgot to answer your question: Yes, mushrooms could be a good starting point, and cannabis too. In SWIMS early experiences he found mushrooms to be way more freaky than LSD, but of course that depends on the strenght of the shrooms and the acid... SWIM used to eat 2-5 grams in the beginning, then he had 2 grams dried hawaian mushrooms. OMFG that was so damn intense SWIM freaked out, he thought it was the regular shrooms he used to get from a friend. Hell no, these fuckers was out of this world. SWIM enjoys them very much now but would never recommend more than 0,5 grams of these if you are a beginner. Maybe even 0,25 grams(dried).

[mfrieze]

LSD always seems more intense to SWIM. Maybe its just the anxiety. SWIM feels more relaxed with shrooms. But yeh, just make sure your around comfortable people that wont mess with you or anything and that you trust. Make sure everything feels comfortable and be ready for a good time

[CrookedEye]

Originally Posted by hh339

SWIM used to eat 2-5 grams in the beginning, then he had 2 grams dried hawaian mushrooms. OMFG that was so damn intense SWIM freaked out, he thought it was the regular shrooms he used to get from a friend. Hell no, these fuckers was out of this world. SWIM enjoys them very much now but would never recommend more than 0,5 grams of these if you are a beginner. Maybe even 0,25 grams(dried).

I would venture to guess the Hawaiian mushrooms you are speaking of, are the Panaeolus (aka Copelandia) Cyanescens.. They are much smaller shrooms than psilocybe cubensis, but as stated, under a gram can give a full blown trip.. These happen to be swim's favorite species as well...

[big-lester]

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

I would venture to guess the Hawaiian mushrooms you are speaking of, are the Panaeolus (aka Copelandia) Cyanescens.. They are much smaller shrooms than psiloycybe cubensis, but as stated, under a gram can give a full blown trip.. These happen to be swim's favorite species as well...

yes the hawaiian shrooms are very VERY strong, but they are really for the more
experienced user, the bodybuzz can be quite harsh, a lot of times it feels like there's a war inside your body or something like that, and they give you quite a mindfuck, it can be very dark en evil-ish, but SWIBL had some of his best and most magical trips on copelandia.

[The Doors]

SWIM is in the same boat as dwtk. He's done a lot of research on both mushrooms and LSD, but has never experienced them yet. You can only prepare yourself to a certain extent. If everything seems right and you have gathered a lot of information, the only thing left to do is to - well, trip! You won't know what is going to happen until you try it.

[quantumbrujo]

SWIM's had better stronger trips on shrooms than on acid.Swim would say to go for the shrooms starting with a low dose of about 1gram maybe 1.5 grams.At those dosages nausea isn't an issue and shrooms will only give you a 3-4 hour trip.LSD is similar yet different,and you might not like the duration of ther trip.At least with shrooms ,if you don't like it you only have a couple hours and the peak is only about one hour.With LSD just the duration might make you bad trip.SWIM remembers time when he couldn't wait for it to go away and sleeping was impossible and those 12 hours felt like an eternity.If you want a brief look at psychedelics smoke some DMT.It's much more intense than shrooms or LSD, but only lasts about 5 to 10 minutes.

[Philomel]

SWIM has never taken mushrooms, but her friend SWAM, who has taken them many times, says: "Mushies tell you things, whereas acid just gives you ideas." I'm not sure if that even makes sense to anyone else, but I thought I'd share it anyway.

[quantumbrujo]

Originally Posted by Philomel

SWIM has never taken mushrooms, but her friend SWAM, who has taken them many times, says: "Mushies tell you things, whereas acid just gives you ideas." I'm not sure if that even makes sense to anyone else, but I thought I'd share it anyway.

Yeah that's a good way of putting it.SWIM has learned many secrets of the universe from the shrooms and LSD has given him some crazy thoughts and ideas.Back in university long long time ago in a galaxy far far away swim did his final physics exam on a hit of white blotter.He had been too busy tripping to study but that's OK he was able to visualise the physics problems very clearly in his mind and everything made sense.He got a 95% on the exam.

[CrookedEye]

Originally Posted by Philomel

SWIM has never taken mushrooms, but her friend SWAM, who has taken them many times, says: "Mushies tell you things, whereas acid just gives you ideas." I'm not sure if that even makes sense to anyone else, but I thought I'd share it anyway.

Swim would partially agree with that, in that the shrooms seem to have more of their own mind, and stronger hand in guiding the trip[talk to you, tell you things (not actual voices, usually)]... LSD does seem a bit more guidable in normal doses, and can let one have more control of what is going on in ones head..

[big-lester]

Originally Posted by quantumbrujo

If you want a brief look at psychedelics smoke some DMT.It's much more intense than shrooms or LSD, but only lasts about 5 to 10 minutes.

this is a really bad idea for an unexperienced psychedelics user, DMT is known to be the heaviest psychedelic in the world, i really don't suggest this as your first psychedelic!

[CrookedEye]

Originally Posted by big-lester

this is a really bad idea for an unexperienced psychedelics user, DMT is known to be the heaviest psychedelic in the world, i really don't suggest this as your first psychedelic!

In swim's opiniom, a five to ten minute excursion, may actually be more acceptable to many for a look into the realm of psychedelics, rather than taking a dose of something that lasts 6+ hours.. Swim thinks it could be a great introduction into the psychedelic realm, although it may make other psychedelics pale in comparison, especially with the visual intensity of DMT.. The thing is, even if someone wigs out, by the time they get the bearings to get up and really panick and/or try somethin stupid, chances are they are nearly back to normal..

[big-lester]

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

In swim's opiniom, a five to ten minute excursion, may actually be more acceptable to many for a look into the realm of psychedelics, rather than taking a dose of something that lasts 6+ hours.. Swim thinks it could be a great introduction into the psychedelic realm, although it may make other psychedelics pale in comparison, especially with the visual intensity of DMT.. The thing is, even if someone wigs out, by the time they get the bearings to get up and really panick and/or try somethin stupid, chances are they are nearly back to normal..

SWIBL does agree with you a little bit, but don't you think giving a beginner the strongest and most spiritual drug that makes people come in contact with god a lot more often than with any other drug, is a bit "all-the-way"? but it probably alos depends a lot on the person, if the person isn't frightened quickly and thinks he/she can handle it, it can probably be done, but if the person is worried of having a bad trip and kind of uncertain about "psychedelics" than it's probably a really bad idea, but in that case psychedelics in general are a bead idea.

SWIBL thinks the best idea would be 2c-b or 2c-i/2c-c/2c-d (SWIM only has a bit of experience with 2c-b/2c-e), probably not 2c-e cuz the duration is almost the duration of LSD.
But 2c-b would be a good starter psychedelic (+- 18-20 mg), because it doen't last long at all (+- 3-5 hours), it doesn't cause a mindfuck (at least not with this dosage) like mushrooms tend to do nearly always, but it does give interesting insights, beautiful colorful visuals and you'll definately laugh your ass off.