Jungle DMT?

[DonPeyote]

I'm curious about so-called Jungle DMT.
It is described as "Darker and Scarier" than pure DMT.
Darker and Scarier can be had on ANY of the powerful Psychedlics.
Isn't that simply the flip side of the "Clear Light"/Cosmic Consciousness/ Nirvanic trip?

Sometimes ya gotta go thru hell to get to heaven....

Has anyone met someone's pet Coyote who personally tried this mixed alkaloid Jungle Brew DMT, and can describe it?

DP

[pankreeas]

jungle dmt is the end product when you extract out the dmt with xylene I think it is, and then another stage with naptha to get all of the nndmt out. But don't quote me on this one.. It was some sort of tek and I only saw it briefly.. some also refer to it ask dark dmt.. I'd speculate that it's just a more potent / forgiving extraction.

[Neosapien]

Jungle DMT is an unknown alk in MHRB soluable in xylene and not in naptha.
It is somewhat like what SWIM hears 5MEO described tho SWIM has never used 5MEO. It is active in tiny smoked doses like 5MEO and there are no visions, just that crazy tryptamine look to everything.
Swim was not prepared for what was coming and the trip was indeed dark and scary. Swim will try again once the negative vibes have abated.

[DJ]

To get jungle dmt

SWIM basically followed marsofold's tek

THEN SWIM used hardware store brand xylene for a 4th pull per wine bottle and collected it.

He let it airdry (and it took quite a long while (days)...)
The results were very dirty orange crystals with specs of clearness throughout them..

So to clean it up a bit...

SWIM poured virgin (new out of the container) naptha over it so that just enough naptha covered the amount of dirty xylene spice, then heated it (by placing it into a plastic cup full of boiling water) so that all the dirty clearish/orange xylene spice crystals dissolved into the warm naptha puddle...
then SWIM threw the melt into the freezer for a recrystallization..
after 3 days in the freezer SWIM poured off all the naptha to reveal a cleaner orange spice that appeared as sheet formations of large clearer yet still orange crystals...


the finished orange spice did the trick

[thinkcooper]

Originally Posted by DJ

the finished orange spice did the trick

Can SWIDJ elaborate on the "trick"?

[CrookedEye]

SWIM is uncovinced it's some mystery alkaloid, and not just some extra tannins and junk in the DMT.. SWIM smoked the orange and white to even clear, and there is very little difference, to him (other than the harshness).. All these reports of dark trips, SWIM thinks are brought about by the power of suggestion..

[Nagognog2]

As a chemist - who once got an F for arguing that chemically derived ascorbic acid was chemically identical to "natural" ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) in a "Food Awareness Course" - I must agree to ^^^.

[Neosapien]

Why would it be active (really active) in smoked doses of around 10mg if it was just dirty DMT?

[Nagognog2]

Possibly the base material also contains 5-MeO-n,n-DMT? This is active at that range. But n,n-dimethyltryptamine is n,n-dimethyltryptamine. No dancing spiritual auras. No elves with good intentions. No blessings of the ruler of the cosmos. Pure and simple molecular chemistry.

[Neosapien]

Yes, and NNDMT and 5MEO are soluable in naptha and heptane, and the material swim smoked was definitely insoluable in both.
Why is an as yet unidentified tryptamine in a little researched tropical plant such a far fetched notion?
And when did I mention auras or elves or anything so ephemeral?

[freemynd]

Here's a post that came from http://divinemomentsoftruth.com/foru...hread.php?t=14

Dark DMT, or jungle spice, is an as yet unidentified alkaloid found in mimosa hostillis root bark, soluable in xylene - but not naptha, which is the solvent usually used to pull DMT.
A roving chemist friend of mine who works with MHRB sent me this:

"After 20+ years of psychedellic use I have just had the worst trip of my life. Preliminary tokes of the dark DMT felt and sort of tasted like unwashed DMT so I discounted it as some crap that the xylene pulled. The material is tan and has the consistency of wax without being oily. A friend was over and wanted to try it and not wanting to yuk up my DMT pipe and thinking that the stuff was shit anyway, I threw a few crumbs on top of a bowl of bud. 20 mg max. I really figured that it would just mostly taste bad. My friend took a hit, fanning the bowl with a butane torch and then he passed it to me. The bud was still burning and I just hit the top with a Bic, figuring that he had gotten most of it.

PUT IT DOWN PUT IT DOWN PUT IT DOWN!!!!!! Fuck, I couldn't get rid of the pipe fast enough. I leaned back in my chair - Why did I do that? Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck. NO NO NO I DO NOT WANT THIS I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THIS!!! Please just let me out I'll never come back just make this stop.

I don't know what I was reacting to, I was aware of no sensory input, hallucinogenic or otherwise, just that horrible feeling of NONONO. That went on forever and an instant and then I started to become aware again of my body and myself and I opened my eyes trying to pull out of that horrid fuckhole. Nope. Horrid fuckhole out there too. I had that crazy DMT vision where everything is fuzzy and lit from within and exists standing apart in it's own dimension but rather than the jewellike beauty of each atom, I was aware of the ugliness and nastlness of every line, shape, color, and texture. Everything was made of puss and overlapped and falling and oozing and suffocating and vomiting on me.

I closed my eyes again and I became the uglines. I opened them and settled for just being suffocated by it.

Around this time my hearing came back on line and I realized that the Tool album that we were listening to was no ordinary Tool album but a direct communication to me to reaffirm just how rotten and horrible every aspect of existence is. This came not as a paranoid flash of conspiracy like on MJ or acid but just as a fundemental understanding - like info gained from mushrooms. How can this be? How? How did they know that I'd be listening to this exact song right now? Despair washed over me as I realized just how horrible and squalid a thing everything that I'd ever known or loved was.

The drug was wearing off. I white knuckled it back, said goodnight to my friend, and went to bed. The next day, it was still there. Nothing overt, just wearing a wet blanked of sorrow and despair about nothing. Beautiful things made me sad because I knew now what a lie it was. Nothing was nice. Everything had sharp teeth and wanted to bite.

The feeling faded over the day and now (T+2 days) I have to think about it to bring it back. But it's still there.

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[CrookedEye]

Ever see radio879's lab analysis report of jungle DMT? They failed to find an alternative alkaloid.. SWIM failed to experience this phenomena, so he doesn't necessarily claim that it's not possible, but that he is very skeptical.. Trip reports mean about as much to SWIM as a fish story.. SWIM rarely experiences anything remotely similar to many people, except for a very few extreme psychonauts..

SWIM doesn't want to rock the boat, but he requires some actual fact, especially seeing that the original person who claimed the experience, failed to find anything out of the ordinary, even with actual lab results (the reports were scanned and posted at the old DMT world, SWIM believes..).. SWIM believes his name was radio879, or something to that effect.. Any older specialty forums members around that can back SWIM up?

[Neosapien]

I remember radio879, but I didn't see that analysis.
There's talk also that the substance is yureamine (sp?), an MAOI.
Swim's friend's trip felt distinctly tryptamine-ish but could have been DMT potentiated by a MAOI. A recent psilo-huasca experience had a similar feel.
But still, such a small dose?

[acolon_5]

This thread has peaked a friend of SWIM's interest...

Due to a really bad batch of uncleanable spice he is in the middle of another extraction and will attempt to pull this mystery "jungle/dark/red spice" out with some Xylene after a few pulls with Naptha/Heptane. SWIM's friend has heard on another board that heat degrades/destroys most of the "red alkaloid"

How would one go about testing something like this through a lab (gc/ms spectrometry). Would it cause a problem if SWIM's friend sent something to a lab for analysis?

[Neosapien]

Originally Posted by acolon_5

Would it cause a problem if SWIM's friend sent something to a lab for analysis?

Sounds like a crapshoot to me.
New alkaloid - you're a chemical pioneer.
DMT or 5MEO - a knock on the door at 3 AM with a black van parked outside.

[Ellis D.]

Whoa that sounds a lot like some of SWIMs bad mushroom trips. Even SWIMs cat looked like a robotic dead skelital feline creature...everything was dead, dry, and depressing, horrible horrible world to be in...

For SWIM this is purely a state of mind, SWIM has had trips similar to the one SWIM wrote above but SWIM was able to change the deathly apearance of everything by changing his inner feeling, by meditating and silencing any negative thoughts or fears..

SWIM thinks this "DARK DMT" may be slightly chemical different or maybe something else is added to the N,N Dimethaltryptamine, but SWIM thinks it is primarily the persons mentality and feeling during dosage of any psychadelic that effects (a lot) of the outcome and quality of the trip.

[acolon_5]

Most "Dark DMT" teks use Xylene or Toulene to extract, and once it has evaporated uses Naptha or Heptane to remove the DMT, what is left is the "mystery spice".

Also the reports are showing that 1/2 to 1/3 of the dosage is necessary...this doesn't sound like a placebo effect, or set/setting, it sounds like something, a MAOI , or simply a new alkaloid is present. SWIM will be attempting some extractions and bioassays.

However, without access to a gc/ms, the best he can do is speculate.

[JDreaming]

I had heard about one person selling "red jungle dmt" and thought it was just a goofy marketing angle for selling extracted DMT with an unusual hue to it. It seems strange that there would be an unknown alkaloid with potent effects... how many DMT analogues can possibly occur in a natural substance? I'm surprised some of them might still be completely unknown. I don't think it could be 5-MeO-DMT as that does not occur in M. Hostilis, and if it did it could be identified pretty easily.

[=SKA=]

Well I've heard of it being said that Mimosa Hostilis, or at least serveral varieties of it, are active when taken ORALLY withou MAOIs. We all know how ineffective Oral DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and Bufotenine are without MAOIs except maybe giving you a serious nausae.
I believe it was Jonathan Ott's experiment that showed that a simple cold water + lemon juice extraction of Mimosa Hostilis would be effective for an entheogenic experience. No MAOIs needed.

This strange fact, that I've read about on erowid's notes by Professional Chemists/Physicians/Psychiatrists on Entheogenic experiments with Mimosa Hostilis, seems to make sense if one would link it to the idea of an unidentified, potent, entheogenic alkaloid present in Mimosa hostilis.

Maybe this unidentified alkaloid, unlike DMT and it's analogues, is active orally? It would explain the Mimosa active without MAOIs-paradox.

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Very interesting comments. Good addition to the discussion.

[Entropymancer]

Hello all, I think this is my first post on these forums.

I'm just bumping the thread to let everyone know that I've collected together all of the information I could find on Jungle Spice into a handy reference:

http://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/Defau...g=posts&t=1115

Particularly of interest, I've analyzed Radio879's GCMS spectrum, and have proposed plausible identities for all three unknown compounds in the sample.

[Entropymancer]

Aw, what the hell, I'll at least cross-post the GCMS analysis:





IV.1 GCMS Analysis

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Figure X. MS of DMT reference standard (left) and Brazilian M hostilis A/B extracted at pH 1 (right)
(from Mambo Pachano's Entheogen Review Article - See Trout's Notes)

Let's first consider the case of a "clean" extraction. In the Entheogen Review, Mambo Pachano developed an "extreme condition hostilis extraction" and had GC/MS analysis performed on the resulting product alongside a DMT reference standard (see Figure X). The acidic extraction was perform with aqueous ethanol acidified to pH 1 with citric acid. The extract was evaporated, taken up in warm water, and defatted with xylene (presumably removing the jungle spice). The water was basified to pH 14 with hydroxide, extracted with toluene and the spice recovered by evaporation. "This has reliably produced a yellow waxy-crystalline massive solid that crushed to white powder."

The DMT reference standard is very clean. There's an abundant molecular ion at 189.1 m/z, and a less abundant peak at 144.1 m/z indicating the loss of the dimethylamine moiety. I'm curious what the trace just above 400 m/z is since the same trace appears on the analysis of the extracted sample, but it's likely of no particular consequence.

The extracted sample also appears to be fairly clean. Extrememly clean when we consider that it was obtained by evaporation instead of freeze-precipitation or recrystallization, and using toluene, which is known to be less selective than the usual alkane solvents. There is a small impurity (abundance ~2) at 205.1 m/z, which is most likely accounted for by DMT N-oxide. This helps to substantiate the idea that the yellow oil is DMT N-oxide, since the product was collected by evaporation, and was described as "a yellow waxy-crystalline" material.



Next we’ll consider a crude extract of the “jungle” alkaloids. This analysis was communicated by Radio879 from the Nook. In his own words, "I think this was the one where I did use xylene instead of naphtha, but I did not wash it with naphtha... In that sample it looks like there's 86% DMT, then 4 other unknown compounds." See Figure X. There actually only appear to be three unidentified compounds in this spectrum. I assume that the "fourth compound" is the peak at 144.1 m/z, which actually comes from DMT (see above note on the reference standard). For all three of the unidentified peaks, I believe I can propose some reasonable assignments.

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Figure X. Radio879's GCMS of an unpurified xylene pull, extraction process unknown.

130.1 m/z

This peak had me mystified for the longest time. Too small to be a tryptamine; barely large enough enough to be an indole. But in reading through Trout's Notes A5, I saw that one of the biggest issues they were concerned with in the extraction process was trying to eliminate an alkaloid called "skatole" (see Figure X).

Alkali solutions of pH 14 will destroy skatole (the strong smelling compound that many people mistakenly think is the smell of DMT - the more pure DMT is the less smell it has.

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Figure X. Skatole: 3-methylindole

Skatole, whose chemical name is 3-methylindole, is a white crystalline compound which turns brown over time, and has been described as "mildly toxic". It has been shown to cause pulmonary edema in some lower mammals, apparently targetting Clara cells, which are the major site of cytochrome P450 enzymes in the lungs. These enzymes convert skatole to a reactive intermediate, 3-methyleneindolenine, which damages cells by forming protein adducts (Miller et al). It is also added to cigarettes as a flavoring agent.

I have been unable to find any source that explicitly verifies skatole as a known compound in M hostilis, but it certainly seems conceivable. It could explain why people sometimes get a material that looks like spice and smells like spice, but lacks the effects of DMT when smoked. Regardless, the 130.1 m/z molecular ion corresponds perfectly with a methylated indole; This issue requires further analysis to confirm the identification, but it seems entirely plausable. Especially if Pachano can share his source that identifies skatole as a component of M hostilis, I am satisfied with the identification of this peak as a methylindole.


205.1 m/z

This is the same peak that was seen as a trace component of the "clean" extract's GC/MS. Being exactly 16 m/z higher than DMT's molecular ion immediately suggests that this could be an oxide of DMT (the most reasonable place being at the tertiary amine). Since the sample was obtained by evaporation and not cleaned with alkanes, we would expect some of the yellow oxidation product to be present. The issue requires further study be put cleanly to rest, specifically someone running GC/MS and NMR on the purified yellow oil. Until then, I am fairly comfortable with the assignment of this peak as DMT N-oxide.

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Figure X. DMT N-Oxide

DMT N-oxide and DMT have been shown to enzymatically interconvert in lower mammals.


350.1 m/z

This one is a doozy, and is the primary evidence in suggesting that what people have been isolating may be a breakdown product of yuremamine. The peak is substantial, less abundant than the proposed methylindole, but more abundant than the DMT oxide. It's substantially heavier than DMT, but also very substantially lighter than yuremamine. And besides, it doesn't hardly seem possible that yuremamine would survive the extraction process.

But I got to thinking: When the yuremamine is degraded during the extraction, it's not as though it just disappears. And unless it loses the ethylamine moiety, the breakdown product still ought to be amenable to acid/base extraction. Some quick calculations indicated that the loss of either hydroxylated phenyl group could get the molecular mass in the ballpark of 350 m/z. And there's that handy hydroxyl adjascent to each of them that could participate in the degradation chemistry. In the end, I came up with two plausible degradation products which would give rise to a molecular ion at 350.1 m/z. Unfortunately, the peak is not abundant enough to analyze its fragmentation pattern.

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Figure X. A couple proposed breakdown products of yuremamine, both would have molecular ion at 350.1 m/z

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Figure X. Yuremamine

It's also worthwhile at this point to discuss what we would expect to see if the jungle spice were in fact yuremamine. Yuremamine has a molecular ion at 477.1 m/z. This peak has been clearly absent from every attempt to analyze the jungle spice. It also was not seen in any of the analytical work on M hostilis root bark or jurema wine that was conducted during the 20th century. This has led to the speculation that yuremamine is subject to degradation under most extraction conditions, particularly under high temperatures or alkaline environments. Below is the LC/MS spectrum obtained by Vepsäläinen et al.

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Figure X.GCMS of Yuremamine (from Isolation and Characterization of Yuremamine)

Finally, we have a more recent report of GC/MS analysis run on the red spice by an acquaintance of Burnt:

Some guy I don't know well told me he can run GC-MS on this compound. He believes he has some of this so-called jungle spice. It is a red crystalline thing that was originally oozy. After recrystallizing white crystals out of it he saved this other stuff. He believes if his bad memory serves him right that it came from toluene or diethyl ether pull from an acid base extraction. He was wondering what it could have been.

GC-FID and GC-MS main compound = spice (nothing else in GC-MS) (minor minor peaks in GC-FID). It is curious because yea the whole reason this guy has some of this stuff is because it was not soluble in the hexane.

This is a confounding result. The material was a red crystalline material isolated based on its insolubility in hexane, which certainly sounds like jungle spice. We would expect very little of the material would be DMT due to the hexane wash, but it was still the primary peak in the sample.

There are a handful of possibilities, most of which Burnt himself pointed out. It's possible that the material analyzed was not the same material that others are calling jungle spice; this seems unlikely since it matches the same physical description and was isolated in the same fashion. The material was also reportedly stored for several months prior to analysis, so it's possible that the compound(s) of interest degraded during that time. Or for whatever reason, the red component may not be amenable to GC/MS; this in itself would be strange for a chemical that is reported to be biologically active when vaporized.

There are two other possibilities, if we take the spectra at face value and assume that DMT is overwhelmingly the main component in the red spice. The first of these possibilities is that the red coloration comes from a biologically inactive tannin, and the activity of the red spice is solely the result of DMT. I don't consider this possibility to be very likely, based on the wealth of experience reports reporting breakthroughs on significantly smaller doses than DMT could provide.

The other possiblity, assuming that DMT is overwhelmingly the main component in the red spice (which I'm not necessarily convinced of), is that the trace impurity responsible for the red discoloration is biologically active and accounts for the reported effects of smoking red "jungle spice". If this is the case, it could either be acting as an agonist in its own right, and adding its effects to the effects of the DMT, or it could be potentiating the DMT in some fashion. Since no trace components were identified in this particular analysis, it is impossible to speculate further.

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Thanks Entropymancer...they're sometimes a little slow over here. Don't mind them though. Acolon_5

[69Ron]

SWIM has extracted DMT from Diplopterys cabrerana. He used a normal A/B extraction using water as the polar solvent and DCM as the non-polar solvent. He did many defats in the Acid stage and many pH 10 water washes in the Base stage. The results should have been fairly clean. He distilled off the DCM to reuse it later, and when it was down to about 20 ml, he added acetone which is a much cheaper easier to get solvent. He distilled off all the DCM leaving just acetone and the freebase alkaloids. This was then evaporated on a hotplate set to 100 C. There was a fan blowing air across the acetone to quicken the evaporation.

After a while it dried to a thin oil with a few DMT crystals present. SWIM has had this extraction result before from Mimosa hostilis where some or all of the DMT fails to crystallize.

When left with DMT oil, the best thing to do is a freeze precipitation step. And so, he dissolved the DMT oil in warm naphtha, put it in the freezer overnight. The next morning there were a bunch of beautiful DMT crystals. The naphtha was decanted and the DMT crystals were dried.

Great so far right. Well, SWIM tested it by vaporizing 15 mg in a test tube and inhaling all of the vapor. 15 mg should be a very small dose of DMT. Before exhaling the effects had already begun and were extremely strong. Everything started shifting around, sliding and bouncing, growing and shrinking. There was a sense of madness, of insanity growing. It was unnerving. There were no colorful patterns. With the eyes closed there was just darkness and a very faint dark pyramid in the distance. It was all gray, no colors. With the eyes opened, looking at one object and then another caused pieces of the original object to fly around the visual field. He felt very visually disoriented.

Thinking this was just a fluke, he tried it again at 20 mg. It was more of the same, things in the room start shrinking and growing and sliding around the visual field. There are no colors, no patterns. This was very different from DMT.

The onset of the effects is within 30 seconds from the start of inhalation. After about 15 minutes, things are almost back to normal. After about 30 minutes the effects are completely gone. It’s hard to know when it peaks because the disorienting mental effects and distortion of time are so strong. During the peak its difficult to understand the numbers on a clock. Looking at the clock causes pieces of the clock to fly around the visual field. There’s a lot of mental confusion during the effects. SWIM doesn’t like it at all. It’s like putting one’s brain in a blender. There are no side effects except a racing pulse and sometimes SWIM will forget to breath for the first minute into the experience. It is an extremely frightening experience.

The effects of this strange “DMT” left SWIM very nervous about vaporizing plant extracts. After vaporizing this strange “DMT” a few times, now SWIM’s heart starts beating really fast whenever he picks up the vaporization test tube to vaporize other compounds.

The crystals looked like typical DMT crystals, they also have that unreal plastic smell and taste of DMT. They are a little on the yellowish side. The texture is waxy, just like DMT.

Is this “Jungle DMT”? Is this present in Diplopterys cabrerana? Did SWIM’s extraction somehow create it?

SWIM can’t imagine someone actually liking the effects of this alkaloid. It is utterly terrifying. Just thinking about the effects makes SWIM’s heart beat go up. SWIM is very familiar with psychedelics and has taken massive doses of shrooms, LSD, etc., and never felt that frightened from a psychedelic before.

SWIM converted the alkaloid into a fumarate salt and found it goes really well orally with oral harmaline/harmine as an ayahuasca-like mix. He uses 20 mg orally. It’s extremely psychedelic in a mental way but doesn’t produce much visual effects. It’s actually enjoyable orally.

SWIM has heard that some Diplopterys cabrerana contains 5-MeO-DMT. This was SWIM’s first Diplopterys cabrerana extraction so he’s not sure if these effects are expected or not.

The effects don’t seem to match those of pure 5-MeO-DMT, but SWIM has never had DMT mixed with 5-MeO-DMT before. Could this “alkaloid” actually be a mix of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT?

From what SWIM has read, the effects match those of “Jungle DMT” more, especially the ping-pong effect of things bouncing around the visual field. SWIM never heard of 5-MeO-DMT producing this ping-pong effect.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

[Neosapien]

Well the mental effects minus the visuals certainly sound like 5MEO which chaliponga is supposed to have a relatively large percentage of.
I don't know if this would contribute or not, but when my friend was working on an extraction procedure using acetone, he was told that "acetone is incompatible with strong base, that extraction method would be heavily contaminated with diacetone alcohol and/or mesityl oxide".

[Panthers007]

Acetone dissolves 5-Methoxy-n,n-dimethyltryptamine very well. And the effects described sound very much like what 5-MeO-DMT does. Also 15mg of 5-MeO would be a very potent dosage. 3.5-5mg is typical.

[69Ron]

Originally Posted by Neosapien

Well the mental effects minus the visuals certainly sound like 5MEO which chaliponga is supposed to have a relatively large percentage of.

Originally Posted by Panthers007

Acetone dissolves 5-Methoxy-n,n-dimethyltryptamine very well. And the effects described sound very much like what 5-MeO-DMT does. Also 15mg of 5-MeO would be a very potent dosage. 3.5-5mg is typical.

So you guys think this effect is from the 5-MeO-DMT mixed with DMT?

What about the ping-pong visual effect? This was really intense. It was like everything in SWIMs visual field was bouncing around. There was lots of size distortion, lots of breaking apart of objects. It was like SWIM’s visual processing was going bonkers. It was very unnerving. The feeling tone was more like salvinorum A than DMT with sort of a slippery feeling to the trip, like everything was sliding around, even mental thoughts were sliding around.

SWIM has read many 5-MeO-DMT trip reports and never saw anything about this ping-pong visual effect. The only place SWIM has read about a ping-pong visual effect was when reading about “Jungle Spice”.

Could this ping-pong visual effect be from a mix of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT?

If this is the case, is there a known way to separate DMT from 5-MeO-DMT?

Edit: SWIM found the procedure to completely isolate 5-MeO-DMT from the DMT. SWIM also has pure 5-MeO-DMT (obtained on-line) and it is identical in effects to the 5-MeO-DMT SWIM isolated from the alkaloid mix. Also, as a test, SWIM tried mixing the pure 5-MeO-DMT (obtained on-line) with pure DMT (extracted from Psychotria viridis). The effects are totally different and nothing like “Jungle Spice”. There are no ping-pong visual effects. None of that total mental chaos. None of the extreme fear either. Actually the 5-MeO-DMT ruined the visual effects of the DMT almost entirely and made the trip very dull. It made the whole trip foggy and un-enjoyable. SWIM can distinctly feel both the DMT and the 5-Meo-DMT in this mix fighter each other. It’s pretty much what SWIM expected, an uninteresting combination.

Anyway, after removing the 5-MeO-DMT (about 20% of the total alkaloids extracted), the DMT portion is still very weird, but slightly less potent. SWIM can feel that there is DMT in it, but overall it seems to produce the effects of the so called “Jungle Spice” described on-line. It’s too strong to be DMT, and the annoying ping pong visual effect is still present. It seems like something else is definitely present other than DMT after removing the 5-MeO-DMT. What the heck is in my extract other than DMT?

SWIM wants to separate this weird crap from the DMT. PLEASE HELP!!!

Originally Posted by Neosapien

I don't know if this would contribute or not, but when my friend was working on an extraction procedure using acetone, he was told that "acetone is incompatible with strong base, that extraction method would be heavily contaminated with diacetone alcohol and/or mesityl oxide".

That’s an important fact to mention for other readers using acetone, but SWIM already knows about that.

That can happen if there is a strong base present that is soluble in acetone like sodium hydroxide. However, SWIM uses sodium carbonate (not sodium bicarbonate, that’s a weaker base) instead of sodium hydroxide as a base. Sodium carbonate is safer and it’s completely insoluble in acetone so it can’t create diacetone alcohol or mesityl oxide in acetone, for that you need a base that’s soluble in acetone like sodium hydroxide.

SWIM has used diacetone alcohol before and it is easy to evaporate.

Mesityl oxide is very volatile so it should also evaporate away easily too.

Even if SWIM did use sodium hydroxide, the diacetone alcohol and mesityl oxide formed would just evaporate away when drying the crystals right? So what’s the harm? Is there some danger associated with generating diacetone alcohol and mesityl oxide that SWIM is unaware of?