Re: Best Efficient Way To Robotrip
I second the never use coricidin
statement. Most of the DXM
-related deaths are attributable to coricidin usage. One can use DXM rather safely, but this includes knowing what one is doing and not using products which contain active ingredients other than dextromethorphan
(products like coricidin). Otherwise, one will overdose on the other active ingredients and risk serious injury or death. I can't imagine would want to be remembered as dying from cough medication by intentionally overdosing to "trip". Other users may understand (but shake their heads in frustration that the person was not using safely), but hardly anyone else would.
This is an excerpt from the infamous "DXM FAQ"
"In the US, a new tablet brand, Coricidin Cough & Cold, is available. Containing 30mg DXM and 4mg chlorpheniramine maleate (an antihistame), these have become popular for lower plateau dosing, but can have extremely unpleasant anticholinergic side effects (drymouth, blurred vision, confusion, etc.) with higher doses. One person had to be hospitalized for vomiting blood and entering respiratory arrest after taking a high dose of Coricidin tablets. Even low doses often have unpleasant side effects and may be very confusing. At the lower plateaus, the chlorpheniramine does seem to alleviate the "Robo Itch" (see Section 6.1.3). The box is marked "suitable for people with high blood pressure" (Coricidin has other tablets available which are unsuitable for recreational use).
Furthermore, many Coricidin seem to report that frequent use leads to increasingly severe nausea triggered by taking, or even looking at, the pills. Some people have been known to puke in the drugstore from seeing the box (one user reported that 30+ people he knows suffer from this). I have no idea why this would happen."
The DXM FAQ is located here: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_faq.shtml
It's incredibly long, but the answer to virtually all DXM-related questions can be found there. Reading it can save swiy's life or the life of anyone else swiy may know who is using DXM.
Here is another important excerpt from the FAQ
"If you get nothing else out of this FAQ, let it be this: Remember that DXM is a powerful psychedelic which can be used safely, but must be used with care and respect for your own body and mind. DXM is not a safe drug, and it has not been well studied at recreational levels; whenever you use it you are taking a risk, possibly a big one. Please read and follow these basic guidelines:
* Not everyone likes DXM, and your experiences with it may be very unpleasant. A very few have had such intense side effects from DXM that their first trip lands them in the hospital. DXM is not a quick and easy buzz, and getting good results with it can be hard, sometimes unpleasant work.
* Do not use DXM on a constant or frequent basis! Like alcohol (and unlike marijuana), constant or frequent (more than once or twice a week) use may be dangerous. Although not everyone seems susceptible, a very few daily high-dose users may have seriously and permanently fried their brains.
* Do not use DXM if you have a any of the following medical conditions: mental illness, epilepsy, seizures, liver or kidney disorders, hypertension, heart problems, or ulcers.
* Do not use DXM if you are pregnant or nursing. All dissociatives adversely affect fetal development, and may lead to birth defects and mental retardation.
* Because some people can have severely adverse reactions to DXM, never rush into a high dose. Instead, take no more than twice your last dose, and wait at least one week between doses. Yes, it may take you a month before you get to interesting territory, but that's better than ending up in the hospital. Yes it can happen to you!
* Never exceed 20mg/kg (or 2000mg, whichever is lower) of DXM under any circumstances, and never exceed 15mg/kg (or 1500mg) unless you have a trip-sitter who is experienced and capable in the event of a medical emergency.
* Because of the potential for allergic or other adverse reactions to inert ingredients, always try a low dose first when taking a DXM product (syrup, gelcap, capsule, whatever) you haven't taken before.
* Never experiment with hallucinogens without a sober person around to help you in case you get into trouble. This goes doubly for DXM, which is much more likely to induce abnormal and dangerous behaviour than LSD.
* NEVER, EVER, EVER drive under the influence of any intoxicating drug including DXM!
* Never use a product containing acetaminophen (also called paracetamol or APAP, and known by the brand name TylenolTM). Large doses of acetaminophen can cause liver damage or death. Many cough syrups contain acetaminophen so always read the label.
* Never take DXM with yohimbine (YoconTM)! To do so may be risking permanent brain damage!
* Never take DXM if you are taking a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI). This also applies for one week before and two weeks after taking a MAOI. MAOIs include some (rarely used) prescription drugs for depression and Parkinson's disease, a few recreational ethnobotanicals (harmine and harmaline), and yohimbe bark. Mixing DXM and a MAOI has regularly been fatal.
* Do not take DXM with phentermine, fenfluramine, or the combination (phen-fen), all of which are used as prescription diet pills. This combination can cause serotonin syndrome.
* Never take DXM if you are taking, will take, or have taken within six weeks, the prescription antihistamine terfenadine (SeldaneTM), or any other prescription, non-drowsy antihistamine (e.g., ClaritinTM or HisminalTM).
* Never take DXM with the SSRI antidepressants Desyrel (trazodone) or Serzone (nefazodone); these combinations have resulted in liver damage.
* Be very careful combining DXM with SSRI and tricyclic antidepressants (i.e., those in common use), and never use DXM when taking more than one drug at a time for depression, due to the potential for serotonin syndrome.
* Avoid all products containing DXM and other active ingredients.
* Avoid BenylinTM brand products which seem to cause severe nausea. Avoid any product with castor oil. Avoid Coricidin Cough and ColdTM at upper plateau doses due to the potentially dangerous effects of antihistamine overdose.
* Remember that DXM can sometimes trigger panic attacks in susceptible individuals, especially those inexperienced with DXM. This is a major cause (if not the major cause) of tachycardia (high heart rate) from DXM. All the more reason not to rush in to anything.
* Always remember: recreational use of DXM is still a great unknown. The brain you are risking is your own."
And some warnings from erowid:
* Products containing any active ingredients other than 'DXM' or 'Dextromethorphan' should not be used.
o High doses of Guaifenesin can cause severe nausea and vomiting.
o High doses of Acetaminophen can cause liver-damage and may be fatal. Some brands of DXM containing cough-syrups, including Drixoral Cough and Fever contain acetaminophen.
o High doses of Chlorpheniramine Maleate can cause severe and life-threatening symptoms including seizures, loss of consciousness, bleeding from skin, mouth, rectum, and vagina, and possibly death. Some brands, including Coricidin Cough and Cold contain Chlorpheniramine maleate.
* Do not take DXM if you are using, or have used an MAO Inhibitor within the last 2 weeks.
o MAOI's include harmine & harmaline, as well as many anti-depressants.
o Check with a doctor if you're unsure whether you medication contains MAOI's.
o When combined with MAOI's, DXM can cause "serotonin syndrome" with fever, hypertension, and arrhythmias.
* Do not take DXM if you are using, or have used an SSRIs within the last 2 weeks.
o SSRIs include many anti-depressants, including Fluoxetine (Prozac), Citalopram (Celexa, Lexapro), Paroxetine (Paxil), and others.
o Check with a doctor if you're unsure whether you medication is an SSRI.
o When combined with SSRIs, DXM may cause "serotonin syndrome" with fever, hypertension, arrhythmias, etc.
o References: Bowdle TA. "Adverse effects of opioid agonists and agonist-antagonists in anaesthesia." Drug Saf. 19(3):173-189. 1998 Sep; Bernard SA, Bruera E. "Drug interactions in palliative care." J Clin Oncol. 2000 Apr;18(8):1780-99.;
* Nausea, stomach cramps, and other unpleasant gastro-intestinal effects are common and may persist for days after use.
* Itching and other skin reactions have been reported.
* The large amount of glucose, thickeners, etc., present in many cough syrups may be hard on your kidneys and pancreas.
* Regular or frequent DXM use can lead to craving the experience and to emotional dependence. Â Although not common, some people go on to use DXM daily and can find it difficult to quit.
* It is not yet established whether regular use of DXM causes physical dependence (physical withdrawal symptoms upon stopping regular use). Some users report a 1-2 week "hangover" period after stopping use which could suggest mild physical withdrawal. There is no evidence of life-threatening health risks from withdrawal, but there is little data available on the subject.
* Regular users experience tolerance and require increased dosages to achieve the same level of effects.
* Olney's Lesions: The theory that DXM may cause this type of brain lesioning is based on extrapolation from other NMDA antagonist actions and is not considered definitive."
Found here: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health.shtml
I suggest swiy read the DXM erowid vault and also go through the DXM section on this forum and read some of the posts. Start with the "stickies" located at the top of the first page of the DXM forum.
My friend swim
recommends Robitussin Cough Gels or Zicam Cough mist Max (Nite version preferably) as good products which contain only Dextromethorphan HBr. Check the back of the box to make sure it's the right product and only has DXM listed as an active ingredient. I've included all of this info because I assume that if a person is using coricidin then they have not read a whole lot involving the proper usage of DXM because most things online warn people to avoid this potentially very harmful product.
Play safe and have fun. Good luck.