gbl to ghb definative answer PLEASE

[SWIH]

now before you all rush to 'UTFSE' me I have read every post in this section and I am more confused now TBH

basically SCWIM is eagerly awaiting his first order of gbl and just wants to know whether or not to convert it into ghb. if whoever has the most knowledge on the subject could let him know that would be great.

SCWIM knows that as a UK resident it would be very sensible from a legal point of view to leave it as it is, however he doesn't want unneccessary health damage or a less enjoyable buzz.

incidentally, after his in depth look at this forum, SCWIM now realises he took a huuuuuge dose of gbl in amsterdam a couple of years ago and is grateful to all the charlie and e's that he also took that probably prevented full respiratory shut down. SCWIM was well fucked that night, but it is hard to judge how much and exactly what the gbl contributed.

[NeonCortex]

IMO opinion it is unnecessary to convert to GHB. GBL hits faster/harder and is more potent by weight. Sometimes SWIM felt taking GHB feels "cleaner" but SWIM doesn't really know what to attribute it to.

[SWIH]

cheers mate that's just what SCWIM wanted to hear
as long as there is no strong testimony of gbl being significantly more harmful SCWIM will merrily crack on!

[MrG]

Try reading this:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26372

It states that there has been no evidence of carcinogenic potential with GBL.

However, SWIM just can't get comfortable with the idea of ingesting GBL, he always converts to GHB.

Whilst it may not be carcinogenic, there is certainly a large consensus of opinion that there are withdrawal issues with straight GBL.

[~lostgurl~]

While we are on this subject does anyone know about the toxicity of 14B?

Originally Posted by MrG

Whilst it may not be carcinogenic, there is certainly a large consensus of opinion that there are withdrawal issues with straight GBL.

There is actually a large consensus of opinion that there are withdrawal issues with GHB also, though GBL does seem to have a quicker onset than GHB (as in the amount of time a person has been using GBL, not amount of time passed since last dose )

[SWIH]

Originally Posted by MrG

Try reading this:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26372

It states that there has been no evidence of carcinogenic potential with GBL.

However, SWIM just can't get comfortable with the idea of ingesting GBL, he always converts to GHB.

Whilst it may not be carcinogenic, there is certainly a large consensus of opinion that there are withdrawal issues with straight GBL.

much obliged

[poison1981]

i know simple answer 4 a simple question thank god u did not get the (WAY TO COMMON) UTFSE

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[poison1981]

pple should understand almost all forums are like broken records and that if u keep up with the UTFSE in almost every post you are only gonna prevent the forum from growing......

[poison1981]

& I forgot to mention it also causes troubled frustrated members 2 leave, remember this is a DRUG forum so dont expect everyone to always be on the ball

[cj.mckay]

Hi,

This post is intended to answer the original question and also give a few general tips on GBL/GHB which I have gathered over the years that I have been using it.

Firstly: a GBL to GHB conversion synth which only uses baking soda, GBL, water and maybe activated charcoal if you really need it. It's fast, easy, requires no special equip and is much safer than horsing about with horrible strongly basic chems like sodium hydroxide etc...And it seems to work really well. I've tried it three times and each time the product was perfect. If you get it wrong then the worst you can end up with is just a mixture of water, GBL and reacted baking soda; as opposed to the gut-rotting Sodium Hydroxide brew you might get from the other methods. Although I wouldn't ever recommend iv drug use (been there, ruined my life etc), I know people who have even injected GHB made this way - seemingly without any ill effect.

Here it is:

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Preparation of Sodium GHB using Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda, NaHCO3)


Add 273 g NaHCO3 (Baking Soda/Sodium Bicarbonate) to 1125 mL distilled water in a glass container. Slowly bring the solution to a boil while
stirring with a glass rod or similar. Do NOT stir your mixture with wooden or metal implements at any point in the process; unless you want to poison yourself.. All of the baking soda will dissolve. Carbon dioxide will be seen leaving the
solution as it comes to a boil. This is the sodium bicarbonate breaking down into a slightly strong base,
sodium carbonate:
2 NaHCO3 -> Na2CO3 + H2O + CO2
Reduce the heat to a light boil, and slowly add 250ml gamma-Butyrolactone (280g, 3.25 moles). The addition is not
immediately exothermic as with the sodium hydroxide synthesis. Keep this solution at a light boil for 30 minutes.
Check the pH with universal pH paper. We are aiming for a pH around 7, but anything 6 to 8 is perfectly safe. If the
pH is too high, add a small amount more GBL and continue to reflux.
The solution will eventually be perfectly clear and should be absolutely colourless. If it is not perfectly colourless, i.e. if
slightly impure butyrolactone was used and the solution has taken on a light yellow color, add about 100 mL of activated
charcoal powder. Allow this to boil for 10 minutes. Cool the solution then filter, washing the activated charcoal two or three
times with 50 ml portions of cold water. 410g of NaGHB will be made in this synthesis. This solution can be boiled to concentrated
to about 50% NaGHB before it will start to crystallize. If you wish for a powder, heat until the temperature of the
solution reaches 150°C then pour onto a flexible metal sheet (aluminium foil on a drinks tray works well) and allow it to cool and solidify. You end up with a slightly waxy, white solid which is pure ghb. Please read up on dosages before you use any of it. a sensible starting dose is maybe 0.5g (half a gram.)
This synthesis is perfect for use where there is no ACS, Food or Electronics grade sodium hydroxide available - Or if you just can't be bothered to source any on the web! It's certainly better than using Lye drain cleaner products.

You can, of course, halve or double the measurements if you want to make more or less. Keep the timings and temperatures the same. just modify the quantities. You won't need to use extra charcoal if making up to double the original amount.. Play it by ear. If your GBL is pure then you won't need the charcoal and filtering step anyway. I recommend trying to avoid the charcoal cleaning step if possible. Just source some 99.99% pure GBL - there are plenty of suppliers on the web.

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I hope that this helps. Some people just don't seem to get on with GBL as it takes a bit more out of you - your body has to convert it to GHB before use. Personally, I prefer the effects of GBL itself as it is more sedating than GHB. GHB also makes me sweat a lot whereas GBL doesn't. If you ask me; whether to convert your GBL to GHB is just a matter of taste. GHB is better for 'clubbing' etc and GBL seems better for getting to sleep or laying around and gouching out to some music or the TV. GBL also goes perfectly with cannabis. For me, there is a very noticeable difference between the effects of the two substances.

This recipe above makes a clean sodium GHB. I am not knocking GBL - I've had my share and it's still legal in the UK but this synth makes a good product fairly easily. Please go carefully if you do follow it and (disclaimer) make sure that it is LEGAL to do so in your area. This information is for reference purposes and I disclaim responsibility for any consequences resulting from other peoples' GBL/GHB experimentation...

Don't forget that you can halve or double the quantities in the recipe to make more or less as required. Just keep the temperatures and timings the same.


A further hint - If your end-product comes out 'soggy' or has a tendency to melt/dissolve into a dark liquid, there may be a little unreacted GBL left in it. Just put it in a flask or pyrex bowl and heat it in the oven at 210-220 degrees C for a half hour or until the white bubbles stop appearing. GBL evaporates at around 204 degrees so this will get rid of it. Then just let the container cool down and tap/scrape out the remaining GHB. It should be much more stable and solid than before.


Finally - and I know this is not really relevant to the original question - If you decide to just take the GBL rather than converting it to GHB then there is only ONE way to take it, as far as I'm concerned. That's in a capsule shell. Sometimes also known as gel-caps; these are the little capsules which are used to contain antibiotics or herbal preparations you can buy. Either buy empty ones on eBay or a herbal shop or - if you can't find empty ones - buy a cheap and fairly inert herbal preparation like Hops Flower capsules from Holland and Barrett or similar and then empty the shells and refil with GBL. You can keep the original herbal contents in a bag to use later. Draw up your GBL into a small syringe then fill the larger half of the shell. Slightly moisten the place where the two capsule halves join and then close the capsule. You can fit about 0.6ml in an average capsule shell so you may need more than one shell for your dose. Always measure your dose carefully and be extra careful not to make a mistake if you are filling/taking more than one capsule. Don't forget that 1ml of GBL is comparable to approx 1.44 (some say 1.6) grams of GHB. Taking GBL this way will save you the throat irritation, the hateful taste and the burn. I'd also recommend that you NEVER take GBL on an empty stomach, rather take it after eating something light. This will slow the onset of effects a little but will save you from ulcers and stomach cramps. Remember that GBL is caustic enough to clean and degrease car engines! Always wait an hour at least before 'topping up' your dose; if you do 'top-up' then take a little, don't keep on taking 1ml or 1.5ml doses unless you want to blow chunks, hurl, spew or produce a comet of vomit. The first signs of overdose are heavy sedation and nausea. If this happens then drink some water and prop yourself up in a semi-supine position on a bed with pillows so that should you pass out, you will not inhale your own vomit, should you produce any. Maybe keep a bowl or bucket handy. If you are careful then this will never happen. I have never passed out on GBL or GHB; I put this down to the fact that I've always measured my dose carefully with a 1ml syringe and I've never risked too high a dose. This is NOT a substance where more = a better effect. You have to get the dose just right for your body size & the effect you desire and this takes a little time but its the only way to avoid falling into a "g-hole"

Remember that GHB and, particularly GBL, can be addictive. Don't use them every day or you can mess up your brain chemistry to the point where you wish you were dead. There's a reason why our brains are not constantly flooded with Serotonin - It is nature's reward for behaviour which increases our chances of reproduction/survival. If you constantly bypass that mechanism with GHB or GBL then you will screw it up. Let your brain recover and only use these things 2 or 3 times a week - as the guy who discovered GHB did.. And he lived happily into his 80s.

Finally; do drink plenty of water if you are using either GBL or GHB. Like MDMA, these substances dehydrate you. If you don't drink enough when using GBL then you will get a terrible hangover the next day and find that you have a Serotonin crash which makes you feel like dying. 50-100mg of 5-HTP (a Serotonin-producing supplement) and plenty of fruit juice will help if you are in that situation.

This may be my first post here but I have done a lot of GBL/GHB experimentation. I am probably re-stating things which other posters have already written before but there's no harm in repeating the truth and spreading knowledge which has been gained by long experience.. I hope that you remain safe and enjoy your buzz!

Cheers,

CJ.

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[cj.mckay]

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[jim1965]

SWIMS monkey started on liquid GBL - but as MrG says, theres something not right about ingesting a solvent - no bad effects for him though other than falling asleep because he is inexperienced with the stuff

SWIM uses bicarbonate method and gets lovely pure white salts - much more palletable and just feels PURE! - as long as your monkey has made it for sprinkling on his own personal bananas whats the problem

[SWIH]

swim's bin bang on the gbl so far this year, in fact hes grudgingly giving it a rest for a few weeks just to keep the magic alive. his top tip is to take it with red bull or similar which masks the manky taste but also fights the sedative effects so swiyou can enjoy feeling mullered for longer before you roll around on the floor making hedgehog noises, pass out and piss your pants. D

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