Swim Feels Ill After GBL.

[RasonUK]

Swim been trying Gbl over the past week and Swim loved it at first, just like being drunk/tipsy, didn't experience much other effect other than that. Swim was playing with different dosages so Swim hasn't got real feel for it yet.

however...

Swim gave a 2 ml dose and 3 ml dose to two his friends, they enjoyed it, but then afterwards they felt ill. Swim found that strange as he has been taking it all week with no ill effects.

However...

Swim took 4 ml to help him sleep as he has a chronic sleeping problem, it worked very well, but after 4 and half hours of sleeping swim awoke and felt quite ill and tired. Swim was not able to get back to sleep and has been feeling ill all day.

What going on here and why? Any similar experiences?

Cheers,
Rason.

[psilocybin]

You were experiancing a dopamine rebound. I don't know all the details, just search for it. I find if you take enough to knock you out like that within about 4 hours, like clockwork, you'll be back up. Re-dosing is the only way to get back to sleep. I find this is quite acceptable, although it can take a little while to kick in, but i like to build up to a dose over 30mins or so, not jus take a cap, so that might be why. I also find if you jus stay in bed it can be very frustrating and you feel more tired. If you jus get up and keep yourself busy until the next dose kicks in you'll be fine. This way you can actually feel quite refreshed after very little sleep. I've gone on 3 and a half hours sleep for a day before.

I hope this helps

[psilocybin]

Oh yeah, I meant to say, about the sickness.. maybe you are taking more than you need to actually sleep anyway? In addition to this, keep yourself hydrated.

[RasonUK]

Dehydration/possible starvation makes some sense, swims going to try just taking it for sleep. Gonna look up dopamine rebound fx.
Cheers,
Rason.

[Lehendakari]

I think the main problem is the dose. 4 ml seems a pretty high dose for swim. He had a similar experience with ghb. Ingested 5 grams. He felt great and was knocked in half an hour. T+4 hours woke up feeling dizzy and unease. Couldn't fall slleep that night.

[psilocybin]

doasage is definately a bit high.. you may feel like you need that much to knock yourself out but you will probably find that on lower doses 2 - 3ml (maybe less), once your head hits the pillow its fairly easy to sleep.

[NeonCortex]

Somewhere between 1-2 ml is a decent dose in one shot. 2 ml is a strong dose IMO. Yes it varies, but generally I think everything above 1,5 ml + 1 ml supplement pretty soon after first dose is pushing it.

[MrG]

SWIM finds that he doesn't get rebound if he has multiple doses of 1-1.5g during the evening and just allows himself to get sleepy and go to bed. If he were to take a larger single dose instead then he def would get rebound.

[~lostgurl~]

Dopamine Rebound seems to always be a lot worse using high doses SWIM finds. 1 high dose might be ok but 2 or 3 and there is definitely a major kickback that only goes away with sleep.

Each individual has their own and very unique dose requirements, some people may say it is to do with body weight but SWIM has seen some fairly large people topple over on 2.5mls, same being said she has seen some very petite "first time" users who require this amount at least for a good buzz. There are so many variables to take into consideration when dosing that trying to guess the amount insane. The only way to learn what SWIY's dose is, is to start low and gradually build it up till you fel the full effects.

There are definitely 2 totally different ways to use GBL (or GHB) as a sleep aid. Lower doses work for a more natural sleep, relaxing a person so they can lie down and fall asleep. High doses work to knock a person out but will almost always have the dopamine rebound kickback a few hours later (sometimes this is uncomfortable, but for some the only sign of dopamine rebound is the fact that they woke up and could not get back to sleep). The latter is obviously only more effective if SWIY has more G to redose with.

Feeling sick on G, (or more precisely throwing up) usually only happens if a person has had a dose that was too much for them.

There is actually a thread on this topic already on df called "GBL makes me sick" see here: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19680

Also Psilocybin, please use SWIM in all future posts, failure to do this can and will result in SWIY being banned.

[psilocybin]

sorry it totally slipped SWIMs(!!) mind. i know this doesn't matter but in UK (where me and OP are from), GBL is 100% legal.

[RasonUK]

Only just got this stuff, swims learning to use, unfortunetely swim is suspecting problems with his dopamine noraepinephrine epinephrine system, he has insomnia and chornic anxiety since he stopped taking his ritalin prescribed to him for adhd. He had to stop as it had made him very anxious, stressed and depressed. He went clean of all drugs for a year trying to fix himself up with good clean living, but came close falling into an alcohol abuse problem. Snorted coaine which he liked but feared it would damage his Dopamine and adreneric system so has never done since. Then almost a weed smoking problem. Then he got hold of gbl, he liked what he'd heard and liked it's effects, then he thought he'd try it with ritalin(would have done coke but had ritalin around) insuflation.

Swim was hoping it would give him his old level of focus, but keep him relaxed. It was a nice feeling, but can't say how it compares to insuflated ritz on it's own as it was his first time. The withdrawl however, he needed to dose gbl to get to sleep and dose again after the dopamine rebound, then was in a constant state of withdrawl all day feeling anxious, stressed.
Night time came and he didn't want to take any more gbl to sleep, he tried using some melatonin 15 mg but he tried going to sleep for 5 hours and then popped 20 painkillers and called an ambulence on himself.

Now he's decided he was stupid to turn down phyciatric help as he developes addictions off one time use of any drugs. He didn't want to have to take any drugs, he did rather just deal with it and maybe it would get better by itself.
Now he's expressed his concerns over what the ritalin prescirbed to him may have done and has some cns depressants to help him sleep. Not working very well though, supposed to put him down in 15 mins all it does is relax his heart rate a little and make his hand eye co-ordination go off a little.

Tonight he is going to use gbl to sleep and use again after the rebound then use the downers he was given to counter the early morning dopamine rebound so he can be calm through the day.

He's getting switched to the adult phychiatry unit as he was 18 yesterday(sorry...)happy birthday for me though...

So keep up with the downers till swim get a full assessment by a psychiartrist.

Merry Chritmas
Rason

[~lostgurl~]

Unless SWIY has been taking large doses aprox every 2 hours for at least a few weeks then there should be no hangover the following morning. Dopamine Rebound yes, but feeling like crap all day after only a few doses of GBL does not sound right to SWIM. Maybe it was the ritalin, as SWIY stated SWIY has had chronic anxiety since SWIY stopped using it, and I guess since SWIY decided to use ritalin again to try it with GBL, it may have caused more anxiety the following day?

What was SWIY's reasoning behind taking 20 painkillers and calling an ambulance? Please be careful mixing downers with downers as this can be extremely dangerous.

Happy Birthday and I hope SWIY's new Psychiatrist can help SWIY with their sleep problems. SWIM is having a hard time sleeping at the moment too so she knows how desperate one can become in their quest for a good nights sleep. Take care....

[RasonUK]

Originally Posted by ~lostgurl~

Unless SWIY has been taking large doses aprox every 2 hours for at least a few weeks then there should be no hangover the following morning. Dopamine Rebound yes, but feeling like crap all day after only a few doses of GBL does not sound right to SWIM. Maybe it was the ritalin, as SWIY stated SWIY has had chronic anxiety since SWIY stopped using it, and I guess since SWIY decided to use ritalin again to try it with GBL, it may have caused more anxiety the following day?

What was SWIY's reasoning behind taking 20 painkillers and calling an ambulance? Please be careful mixing downers with downers as this can be extremely dangerous.

Happy Birthday and I hope SWIY's new Psychiatrist can help SWIY with their sleep problems. SWIM is having a hard time sleeping at the moment too so she knows how desperate one can become in their quest for a good nights sleep. Take care....

Swim certainly believes it was the ritalin his dopamine system has been altered by it. Swim will be careful, he takes the second downer to counter the dopamine rebound as it's a gaba potensiator and does not have a dopamine rebound of it's own.

I had to take the gbl on the night of the ritalin as his heart was hurting...

He had to dose again because of the dopamine rebound.

Then he felt even more anxious stressed than he usually does and later had the worst episode of insomnia he had ever had.

swim blames it all on the ritalin it's permanently altered his brain chemistry and is hoping swims new doctor can help him figure out why.

Swim is only 18 and had no way of getting to a and e so had to overdose to get attension. didn't want to take any more gbl because of the rebound.

Swim now haa a way to tackle the rebound and the hypnotic keeps me calm through most of the day.

This wil be temporary till swim can see a psyciartrist.

P.s it's hard to focus on downers.

Merry Chritmas

[~lostgurl~]

So let me get this straight, SWIY took 20 painkillers and called an ambulance because SWIY had dopamine rebound from GBL and couldn't sleep? At the hospital you were given a hypnotic which keeps you calm druing the day and also helps with the dopamine rebound from GBL?

Ok, what type of painkillers were they? What type of hypnotic are you now taking? Hypnotics are usually prescribed for sleep not to calm you down, but this would work at a low dose unless you already have a high tolerance to the hypnotic.

SWIY's situation makes no sense to SWIM. Firstly an occasional dose of GBL will not cause any significant, or very noticable dopamine rebound. Secondly taking GBL because your heart is hurting from Ritalin does not sound like a very good idea on its own, why didn't SWIY go to the Dr then? Taking a bunch of painkillers and calling an ambulance sounds totally off the wall, couldn't you have called an amblulance if your heart was hurting without dosing up on painkillers (which SWIY took after already having Ritalin & GBL). Also why did they prescribe SWIY with a hypnotic? Did SWIY go to the ER for heart problems or for insomnia or for anxiety? If it was for insomnia or anxiety couldnt you have just gone to see your Dr? And you are saying it is hard to focus on downers? What downers are you on? What doses are you on? SWIM advises to lay off the the GBL and take only what is prescribed to SWIY. When will SWIY be seeing a Psychiatrist?

From the information SWIY has given so far it sounds like a very dangerous cocktail of drugs. Please be careful, dont take what is not prescribed to SWIY at least until you have seen a psychiatrist and figured out what is wrong with SWIY, because the spiralling of drug taking you are following can only end bad.

[RasonUK]

I think something strange has happened to me...I am missing something lifes lost colour and flavour, i'm sure it's my emotions, i sometimes remeber what i used to feel it it almost blows my mind but that was so many years ago. I have emotion just not aloit. I'm sure it's because of my emotion's. I've only pieced everything together fully tonight your the first i'm telling but i've written everything down. Thus far i have been unable to explain myself properly to a physcologist. I've got to go i'll explain this, becuase this is exactly why you shudn'y give this drug to kids.

[~lostgurl~]

SWIM hopes SWIY is ok.

[RasonUK]

I lack motivation to post but i may regain motivation in future i will be away seeking medical help, wish me luck. Cheer for caring.

[~lostgurl~]

Good luck! Hope it all works out for you.

[garbled]

Next time you feel that ill feeling after awakening from a G nap, go get something in your stomach — your blood sugar is low because your stomach is empty and it's making you feel ill.

[~lostgurl~]

SWIM usually gets the munchies after taking GBL, but SWIM doesn't use GBL to sleep so this (low blood sugar) could indeed be a reason for feeling ill. Though SWIM has had low blood sugar levels many times without GBL and feeling nauseas was never a pronounced symptom for her.

[MrG]

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