Inhaling - crack and vaporizers ?

[rockstar]

Seasons greetings smokers,

SWIM was wondering if crack could be smoked out of a pocket vaporizer ? and of course be enjoyable?.SWIM has seen the "UBIE" (link is listed below.)It is glass.... SWIM knows the owner of the smoke shop so questions would not go unnoticed.


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[Danc9552003]

SWIM was just wondering the same thing a couple days ago, can crack be smoked like weed out of a vaporizer? SWIM thinks if it was possible and economical wouldn't people smoke it that way all the time? SWIM isn't sure, but it seems like if it would work people would be doing it and talking about it

[b.rock]

friend of mine told me she saw someone smoke crack out of a vaporizer. she said there were several kinds some electric and some handheld. she was also told they were marketed as herb and tobacco vaporizers. that you put the flame under the glass rather than on the crack itself. every time she tried it it didnt work out. can any give her some instruction on how to use these vaporizers? or are they just as scam?



It is better to be assumed a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt

[Nagognog2]

The boiling point (B.P.) of cocaine (as a free base - crack) is 187 - 188C. Which is 368.6F +. That's a pretty high temperature for something hand-held to easily achieve. SWIM might want to experiment on the device in a professional manner such as place some oil in it and a high-range thermometer and see how high it can go and the time involved (expensive without a lab). Or chuck it in the trash.

I rather doubt doubt returning it to the manufacturer, with cocaine residue, would be a good idea.

[firegod]

SWIM has 4 vaporizers for herbal purposes 2 of which go over 500 degrees.. One of which goes over 1300 degrees. SWIM would say they would work very well for your base! A good crystalline glass pipe and a nice clean butane torch is prolly more practical though.

[Charm]

SWIM would like to know if this [MOD EDITED PLEASE DO LINK TO COMMERCIAL WEBSITES] could be used with a crack rock. Perhaps modifing the rock a bit so it will vaporize as weed does. For example;

1) wrapping the rock in chore boy (brillo) so that the heat of the vapor champer will cause the rock to melt into the chor boy (brillo) and vaporize just as in traditional smoking

2) wrapping the rock in ash and placing into mesh basket and put in vapor chamber. This would be the same as using an 'ash plate'

3) mixing the rock with tobacco and putting into vapor chamber.

4) 1 and 2 combined.

5) 1, 2 and 3 combined.



SWIM has tried to use the search engine but no results were returned. SWIM would like to know if this could work and if someone tries please PM SWIm or post in the forum if it does not break any rules.

Thanks again

Charm

[Charm]

The newest Vaporizer is called Vapir Oxygen 2.0. Theoretically it does look like crack could work with a vaporizer. One just now has to test the theory.

Using a Vaporizer is simple. They are electric and use convection current to heat the herbs rather than burn it. There is no open flame, smoke is minimal and can be done indoors. Essentially you put your herbs or tobacco in a basket and place inside the chamber and then take a draw. The handhelds are the best. They can work with a battery or plugged in.

[mickenator]

Swim doesn't think that you'll beat the good old crack pipe if one was wanting to get a good hit and not waste anything.

[Charm]

Originally Posted by mickenator

Swim doesn't think that you'll beat the good old crack pipe if one was wanting to get a good hit and not waste anything.

This should still be worth exploring. This could beat the unsightly cigarrette lighter lighting up and continually broken and blackened pipes.

If SWIY's have any experiments and feedback that would be good.

[yumfatbig1]

Hope it's OK to refer to another post, especially because it's mine, but seeing as this is about 'vapourisers' and knowing how this other method (I heard about from SWIM) has an effect that is very similar, I thought I'd post the link. The reason I suspect that vapour is involved is that SWIM said that after a lot of rocks have been through it, the crusty deposit that collects inside is identical to the original product in colour and effect. The smoke is not burned, it's vapourised. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61782

[Charm]

Originally Posted by yumfatbig1

Hope it's OK to refer to another post, especially because it's mine, but seeing as this is about 'vapourisers' and knowing how this other method (I heard about from SWIM) has an effect that is very similar, I thought I'd post the link. The reason I suspect that vapour is involved is that SWIM said that after a lot of rocks have been through it, the crusty deposit that collects inside is identical to the original product in colour and effect. The smoke is not burned, it's vapourised. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61782

This sounds almost like 'chasing the dragon'. In chasing the dragon, a rock is placed on a foil paper, then heated from the underneath with a flame. As it melts, vapors/fumes are given off. A straw is then used to suck up the vapors. The vapors released are small amounts and quick reaction time is called for.

The next best thing now after this discussion is for SWIY's to buy a cheap vaporizer , test and report.

I recall remember seeing a post where some SWIY said he would buy a vaporizer and test, have not seen any updates from that.

C

[Charm]

well, SWIM went out and did the experiment using Vapir 2.0 handheld. Its capable of reaching over 386 F . so far the report is negative.

[Charm]

Swim has knows someone who tried a herb vapor with rock. No success. SWIM would like to know if SWIY's have any experience. SWIM's friend is currently trying to build one to replace the typical rock pipe. SWIM's friend is finding this very difficult. The theory is good but SWIM's friend is only finding the chemistry of the rock to respond to open flame over a brillo rather than a heated filament. SWIM would welcome feedback, private or public.

SWIM's friend is trying to build something portable, small and covert. In the shape of a smokeless cigarrette for example.
Any thoughts from SWIY's?

[Benga]

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[Charm]

SWIM has come across an aritcle. It seems it is possible to vaporize. SWIM would like feedback from SWIY's. This would be much appreciated for discussion. SWIm has had nothing but problems developing the system.



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[top]Smokeless cigarettes under fire - can be used to smoke crack cocaine

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Smokeless cigarettes under fire
The "smokeless cigarette" may be all it's cracked up to be, and more. Research at the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) laboratory in Baltimore, Md., shows the "cigarettes" can be used to smoke crack, a highly addictive form of cocaine.
NIDA scientists Edward J. Cone and Jack E. Henningfield found they could alter a smokeless cigarette called Premier, manufactured by the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. of Winston-Salem, N.C. Premier looks like a conventional cigarette but is actually a paper-covered tube containing a nicotine chamber and a charcoal heating tip. Smokers light the tip and draw hot air through the chamber, vaporizing the flavor chemicals and nicotine, which are inhaled into the lungs.
Cone and Henningfield emptied the nicotine-laden chemicals from the cigarette's chamber and packed it with 200 milligrams of crack. They then hooked these crack-loaded cigarettes up to smoking machines. They found that the machines got a dose of cocaine that would produce the "high" that crack users seek. They published their report as a letter in the Jan. 6 JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION.
The NIDA RESEARCHERS SAY THEY WORRY THAT R.J. Reynolds has given drug users an easy way to get their "high" in public. The crack-loaded Premier looks like a cigarette and would allow drug users to smoke crack without carrying cumbersome drug paraphernalia.
R.J. Reynolds spokesman Seth Moskowitz calls the NIDA research "ridiculous." He says Premier is marketed and designed to be a cigarette. "We think it is outrageous that government funds are being used to attack Premier," he says. R.J. Reynolds began test-marketing the product last October in St. Louis, Tucson and Phoenix.
The NIDA study adds fuel to growing movement to ban Premier and other smokeless cigarettes (SN: 9/26/87, p.204). The American Medical Association and other health groups have petitioned the Food and Drug Administration to step in and regulate these devices. An FDA official says the matter may be put on hold until the Bush administration takes office.

[Jupiter]

swim tried one of those little boxes the other day, smoking some killer herb. The thing controls the heat, seperating the THC. swim wondered would the thing work with crack.swim would think with perfect heat control.... WOW.
Obviously you would miss the push.

[Benga]

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