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Old 14-12-2006, 23:50
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Recreational Amphetamine Dose

SWIM is just kind of curious as to what a recreational dose of amphetamine is. He knows adderall contains equal parts of amphetamine and d-amphetamine and he was just trying to figure out how close to what an accepted recreational dose these pills are. I'd put this in the adderall forum but I think it pertains more to actual amphetamine.
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

Swim suggests that Swiy just asks the dealer how much he should take, as quality varies a rediculous amount on the street. Besides that, Swim would start small and increase dose as he sees fit.
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Old 15-12-2006, 11:48
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

SWIM isn't planning on buying street amphetamine anytime soon when he has pharmaceutical grade (Adderall). He is just trying to get an idea of if the "therapeutic" doses of Adderall that are perscribed are anywhere near what a typical user would take for recreation purposes. It is understood that different users require different amounts, just trying to figure out if a recreational amphetamine dose is substantially higher than Adderall doses or what.
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Old 15-12-2006, 14:13
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

Sorry Swim misread that as "Swiy is on adderal, so how much meth should swiy do?"
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Old 15-12-2006, 21:45
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

SWIM once tried insuflating 30 mg crushed Adderall XR beads, and had no noticable effects.
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Old 16-12-2006, 00:53
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

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SWIM once tried insuflating 30 mg crushed Adderall XR beads, and had no noticable effects.
Yeah, don't think that really applies...
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Old 19-12-2006, 04:56
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

Theraputic doses are normally given up to about 60mg. It all depends on tolerance. Why not take some then take more till your f-ed up. You could grind it up into powder and snort or swallow that so the effects are quicker. Swim normally takes 40-60mgs xr crushed up and snorted, when swim want to get real f-ed its more like 100mg's(not recomended) but my tolerance is quite high. jsut do like 40mg's then take some more till you feel good. remember to wait a bit till it hits you.

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Be careful giving this kind of suggestion.. many users have a hard time distinguishing between "just enough" and "too much" subjectively
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Old 10-01-2007, 17:43
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

SWIM has never gone over 40mg, but based on the experiences of others who have, he recommends this estimated dosing schedule:

light increase in motivation: 10mg-15mg
"good" club buzz: 20mg-40mg(add 1-2 drinks and SWIY is set!)
Highway speeds: 60mg-80mg(might start cleaning the club/party your at, lol)
TWEAKED OUT:100mg-120mg(not recomended)

**Based on Instant-release pills take orally.......as always tolerence and body-type depending


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Those are very good approximations. Definately helpful!
Nice dosage reference.
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Old 11-01-2007, 19:44
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

swim agrees with the dosages that swifonz gave.

but swim was wondering, what type of tolerance that person has? (how long have they been using amphetamine, and with what type of breaks in between, and or supplements they take to lower tolerance)

swim asks becuase he no longer gets that feel good "buzz" from addies...but he does not dose more than 30mg at one time.
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Old 12-01-2007, 15:41
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

swim took 35 mg of addies this morning for school studying and was trying to achieve some kind of satisfaction feel, but like swiblink said above he no longer gets a good feeling.

the feeling is more of a burning in his head/behind his eyes. he does not take adderall much at all, and is going to fight this tolerance becuase he has always gotten the feel good part form frequent usage of ephedra in highschool, along with many other supplements, but has never experienced tolerance to any substance like he has to amphetamine.
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Old 12-01-2007, 23:10
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

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swim took 35 mg of addies this morning for school studying and was trying to achieve some kind of satisfaction feel, but like swiblink said above he no longer gets a good feeling.

the feeling is more of a burning in his head/behind his eyes. he does not take adderall much at all, and is going to fight this tolerance becuase he has always gotten the feel good part form frequent usage of ephedra in highschool, along with many other supplements, but has never experienced tolerance to any substance like he has to amphetamine.

SWIM has had the same experience, stop cold turkey and give it 2-3weeks without any stimulant use and everything should be back to SWIY's liking....

just a side note, after about 1.5 years of taking these 2-3week breaks, SWIM is now able to use 10mg once a day for school/studying purposes. Kind of interesting how SWIM can use less now

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Old 08-08-2009, 11:36
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

SWIM says this:

One must be very careful with dosage. For new, intolerant, doses as little as 15mg (very rare--usually closer to 20-30mg) can produce a profound dysphoria and comatose-like state which is usually the last stop before amphetamine-induced temporary psychosis.

I've personally had several such experiences by mistake due to changes in brand, which can vary drastically in potency due to the way each formula metabolizes. A few friends who I've occasionally tossed a few to have experienced this polarized effect of the drug almost every time they've taken it at doses above 10mg. It is an extremely uncomfortable and scary state of mind.


I find this to be one of those rare drugs that is so absolutely dependent upon metabolization (i suspect, at least) that a standard dosage-reaction sheet cannot be reliably produced. I cannot imagine what it's like for people who get street zonk to figure out a dose, as the two main ingredients in amphetamine salt compounds must be in perfect harmony to produce a "standard pharamaceutical" grade product. The process of perfecting the ratio of these two substances plagues even the most reputable pharmaceutical laboratories--this infamously produces the mostly benign side effects of medium to severe diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, and headaches, but it can produce the aforementioned state of catatonia with as little as 5mg if the ratio is truly off, due to the way the two isomers of amphetamine sort of keep one another in check.


I'm speaking here of amphetamine, not methamphetamine--I understand that it is a drug that is (if standardized by the cook and purified properly) very easy to establish dose.

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Old 09-08-2009, 01:39
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

SWIM thinks SWIY answered up 3 years late...

Also brand dose not matter, the FDA requires all brands of certain drugs to have almost exactly the same clinical efficiency.
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Old 09-08-2009, 04:51
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

question(sorry if this was stated and swim missed it) are we talking IR or XR? cause all swims ever used is IR(friend with narcolepsy) and he feels he can recommend fairly accurate rec. dosages(course everyones different) but for swim when he was intolerant somewhere between 10-20 was fine, occasionally swim would do 30 or 45 but only every once in a while... course now hes tolerant and 30 to 45 is standard...
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Old 10-08-2009, 01:33
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

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SWIM thinks SWIY answered up 3 years late...

Also brand dose not matter, the FDA requires all brands of certain drugs to have almost exactly the same clinical efficiency.
SWIM says:

Amphetamine requires a very delicate balance between the two isomers used in manufacture of adderall. Generally 80% compliance is required by the FDA, which is incredibly safe for amphetamine salts due to their bio-availability. The problem is when the ratios change. Formulations change the ratio of I-amph and d-amph very slightly resulting in various side effects, but usually the 80% compliance keeps them delivering the same mental effect.

Edit: To clarify the importance of this ratio. Brand formula Adderall is 25% I-Amph and 75% D-Amph. Each of these has different characteristics that keep one another in check, sort of. D-Amph is very calming and clear and I-Amph is mostly just pure speed with tons of anxiety. 80% compliance would allow for a 20% difference, so you could end up with 35% I-Amph and 65% D-Amph creating a less suitable formula for concentrating and a more suitable formula for recreational use. Small variations like this can seem huge to regular users. Slightly more I-Amph than brand can be chaotic and even frighteningly speedy, and an increase in D-Amph than brand formula can create less of a speedy high and more concentration. The higher the dose, the more these changes can become apparent. Either way these formulas would upset that delicate balance which produces the state of mind necessary for therapeautic treatment with stimulants, but still pass the 80% compliance.

Most changes don't occur to the actual ratio, which is hard to achieve in the first place, but to the way that the tablet metabolizes. This having always been a problem, it is always begging to be solved. Every lab producing adderall would kill to find that perfect tablet formula that has no major side effects on therapeautic doses.

The way that it metabolizes also usually varies from formulation to formulation (this is a very very tough thing to sort out for amphetamine because it doesn't metabolize like any of the other recreational drugs). Some release the I-amph a bit before the D-amph and that can result in perceived changes in the mental effect, but actually when it all kicks in it's the same.

Unfortunately the more prominant side effects of formula change (diarrhea, headaches, all the other classics) can be quite severe if one is particularly susceptible.

Not to mention the use of different binders, dyes, etc. which can produce allergic reactions.

Generally, though, yeah; they might as well be the same thing. I wish it metabolized a little more classically, though, as the release of one isomer of amph before the other may be perceived as a "low dose" by the user and result in taking too much, as has been the case with me several times on the first day of a new formula. Sometimes it can take hours to kick in on the first dose, but after that it kicks in normally every day. Very strange stuff.



Edit: As pertains to the post above mine, I would be a bit careful about recommending over 15mg to new users, as there have been reports of people having serious reactions to as little as 15mg and OD's on as little as 30-40mg). It's nothing to fool around with, the metabolism factor is an absolute crusher of any attempt to recommend a recreational dose. But if it's pharmaceutical, a "safe" dose would be 5mg. And if that doesn't work then the person should proceed lightly from there. Remember peeps, this is a forum for theoretical education about responsible use. I know 5mg wouldn't do anything of recreational value for most, but one can always dose-up. I've never known anyone to come back from the dead after an OD due to severe intolerance. And with people having crazy reactions on 15mg pharmaceutical, it's definitely nothing to fuck around with.

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Old 10-08-2009, 03:06
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

well swim was started on 2 x 20mg a day with no prior use.

That's an ORAL dose though. Snorting 20mg for the first time might be too much, but if a doctor rxed swim to start with 20mg, then that dosage orally shouldn't cause too much harm for anyone. (Though swim was speedy as fuck the first time he popped that pill). Swim weighs about ~ 160 lbs, so if you're significantly lighter then that.. things might be different.

Also.. most doctors (from what swim hears) start at 5 - 10mg doses.. dunno why swim got started at the max dose.
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Old 10-08-2009, 03:21
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

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well swim was started on 2 x 20mg a day with no prior use.

That's an ORAL dose though. Snorting 20mg for the first time might be too much, but if a doctor rxed swim to start with 20mg, then that dosage orally shouldn't cause too much harm for anyone. (Though swim was speedy as fuck the first time he popped that pill). Swim weighs about ~ 160 lbs, so if you're significantly lighter then that.. things might be different.

Also.. most doctors (from what swim hears) start at 5 - 10mg doses.. dunno why swim got started at the max dose.
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Usually 5-10 depending on severity. That's strange.

If they were brand, the prescription may have indicated the brand was necessary. These are less likely to have strange results from the user's metabolism as it has been a pretty consistent formula since Shire's, which is pretty infamously free of side-effects.

Still...way high dose to start someone out on, even with subjective toxicity taken out of the equation; that could easily zap someone into a silent statue for a few hours.
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

SWIM's studied for finals on as much as 150 mg per day, but this is not recommended for a new user.

Also, remember SWIY's tolerance to Addies is the same as any other drug, and its pretty hard to get rid of. The less SWIY can do to get high the better.

SWIM also recommends parachute-ing the stiff.. Just crunch it up and roll it in some tissue and take it like a pill. Snorting wastes a lot of the amphetamines and SWIM believes honestly its just better to take them orally.

If SWIM were to estimate the dosage for a new user, SWIM would say take 20-30 mg IR's on an EMPTY STOMACH and see how SWIY feels after. Wait 45 min at least, then decide if SWIY needs another one, or 3... Try to limit intake to 20 mg every 2-3 hours or so untill SWIY feels so cracked out SWIY can't see.

If SWIY only has 30mg XR's, try to crunch those suckers up with some dishwear and the blunt edge of a knife handle if SWIY can't find anything else to crunch with. Then put the powder back inside the capsule and parachute.

Hope this helps-

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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

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SWIM's studied for finals on as much as 150 mg per day, but this is not recommended for a new user.

Also, remember SWIY's tolerance to Addies is the same as any other drug, and its pretty hard to get rid of. The less SWIY can do to get high the better.

SWIM also recommends parachute-ing the stiff.. Just crunch it up and roll it in some tissue and take it like a pill. Snorting wastes a lot of the amphetamines and SWIM believes honestly its just better to take them orally.

If SWIM were to estimate the dosage for a new user, SWIM would say take 20-30 mg IR's on an EMPTY STOMACH and see how SWIY feels after. Wait 45 min at least, then decide if SWIY needs another one, or 3... Try to limit intake to 20 mg every 2-3 hours or so untill SWIY feels so cracked out SWIY can't see.

If SWIY only has 30mg XR's, try to crunch those suckers up with some dishwear and the blunt edge of a knife handle if SWIY can't find anything else to crunch with. Then put the powder back inside the capsule and parachute.

Hope this helps-

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Couple of minor things:

Firstly, although I myself don't endorse it, snorting adderall is absolutely affective if you get the salts (even generic adderall is amphetamine salts). Adderall is a collection of two amphetamine salts that absorb very quickly in the nasal cavity. It goes quick to the stomach too, parachuting may make it kick in a couple of milliseconds earlier. Obviously snorting gets to the brain very directly through the nose, and has a rush and more powerful effect that oral administration would not have.


Also as I mentioned in my previous post, tolerance to adderall develops far more quickly than other recreational drugs, and the more you use the faster it builds


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And the comment about crushing IR: Adderall IR contains a double dose of Adderall. It is the equivalent of taking two Adderall IR. The extended release (IR) pills have tiny and extremely dense (i.e. hard as shit to break) beads inside of the capsule that contain two doses of the medication. When taken orally Adderall XR 20mg, for example, releases two doses of Adderall: 20mg when ingested, and 20mg 6-8 hours later. If these beads can be ground up effectively and crushed they can be snorted, releasing all 40 mg at once with debatable bio-availability in the nasal cavity. The effectiveness of crushing these time-released beads is still debatable among a few people. Formulas are being re-called for some reason as well, or were at some point in the last year if i remember correctly. This could indicate that some of the products floating around are dangerous. For someone whose tolerance has not been tested, this is incredibly dangerous and could cause severe problems in some individuals.
^^^^ Edit: please disregard this point. The information I read was misleading and an Adderall XR 20mg contains 10mg instantly released and 10mg released 4-6 hours later. Still, wouldn't advise this much.



All of the dosages mentioned above are extremely dangerous for new users who haven't tried it. For Christ's sake, you could be allergic to the stuff.


Adderall should never be taken on an empty stomach for a first-time user.
There are other benefits to taking medications with food, they help it absorb more easily, not to mention that it's known to cause nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea in new patients.





The following are symptoms of Adderall OD: Sweating, Pounding Heart, Heart Palpatations, Paranoia, Vomiting, Diarrhea, Twitching, Hallucinations, Irrational Behavior, Irritability, Foaming At The Mouth, Seizures

Those are only to name a few. Please don't do crazy shit. Even if it's someone who's experienced with the substance, in people who use occasionally, taking high doses recreationally affects the body different every time. Your body is always changing and it could even be something as simple as a small change in diet and activity or having things in your system that may not bide well with amphetamine. There are lots of factors that can affect what it does.


Adderall is a pretty safe drug, even if hypothetically used recreationally, if one maintains a safe dose level and practices caution it is extremely effective in the brain. When abused, however, it can cause serious serious problems.


Just because a medicine is legal does not mean that you can't take too much and have a terrible experience or even die. It is one of the more dangerous substances available when used in high doses.


When used properly, it is relatively harmless to the body. It can improve learning and concentration, and it even provides a nice euphoria. it fits very well into the pleasure receptors and provides a nice airy high. It has minor mental withdrawal symptoms when not abused, and no real physical withdrawal. Dependence doesn't develop as in opiates.




Occasional recreational users can still be safe, even if they are snorting it. Everyone knows that when you try a sample of any street drug you try a small one first. With a drug like adderall, especially if you're snorting, it is easy to tell how much affects you if you take 5mg or so and wait a good 45 minutes. Especially in the case of street amphetamines.


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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

i'm sorry songcycle, i mean no disrespect and you bring up a lot of valid points but don't you think that your over blowing the dangers just a little? and 5 mg? swim is curious if this is a standard starting dose for recreational use. swim started his amphetamine use with 30 mg IR pills(isn't that the highest you can get in IR? swim knows that XR goes higher but he isn't sure about IR) and your post makes that seem rather high...
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Re: Recreational Amphetamine Dose

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i'm sorry songcycle, i mean no disrespect and you bring up a lot of valid points but don't you think that your over blowing the dangers just a little? and 5 mg? swim is curious if this is a standard starting dose for recreational use. swim started his amphetamine use with 30 mg IR pills(isn't that the highest you can get in IR? swim knows that XR goes higher but he isn't sure about IR) and your post makes that seem rather high...

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I don't believe I'm being over-zealous; not at all. Did you read my post? I've explained my reasons in this thread in almost every post.


The starting dose for adderall is generally 5mg in therapeautic use. This is not simply because stimulant therapy is ideal at 5mg, but because as with any substance, one must establish how it affects their body and brain before continuing on. All I'm saying is that, if this is the threshold dose, it should be tried first by new users, because the way that amphetamine metabolizes makes the dosages nearly impossible to standardize and with people having serious toxic side-effects at 15mg in some individuals. 30mg producing seizures and epileptic fits.



I'm not saying that everyone should take 5mg of the stuff, but new users must establish their tolerance (all variable from person to person) to the substance before moving on to 20-30mg doses.


Does that not sound logical? I'm very confused as to why this sounds so strange to anyone.

It's just like smoking pot for the first time, everyone's threshold for pot is different, so you don't smoke forty bong rips on your first time.


And on top of the 15mg toxic reactions, amphetamine is very dangerous to some people due to the way their body handles it.


It's just a basic precaution that all people should take. I think with this drug it's very hard to say "30mg will illicit such and such a response in almost every individual" or any other dosage.




Finally, and in complete conclusion, it takes 45 minutes to try the initial 5 mg dose to test the waters, if that doesn't work, the person can dose higher until they are satisfied.




Once again, to (hopefully) clarify, and re-direct to the OP:

Q: What is a recreational dose of Adderall?

A:
Too difficult to establish due to the way it affects different people in vastly different ways. I would start out with 5mg to be safe and make sure it doesn't have any adverse effects and dose up from there until they are satisfied.



There is a much more in depth answer in my first post, outlining all the same points over and over. I wish I could make it simpler, but that's as simple as I can get.


If i was at all over-zealous in that last post it's because the figures the previous poster was giving, even by most people's standards, were extremely high for most users.




EDIT: Please note that my comments earlier about Adderall XR are incorrect, the source was misleading. In a 20mg tablet 10mg would release instantly and 10 mg would release 4-6 hours later.












Absolute conclusion: 5 mg, being well outside toxic doses, is the safest amount to try on the first time. It could illicit an allergic reaction or something else mundane, or it may produce a fairly strong high. If it should, however, produce an overwhelming feeling or any other kind of adverse mental or physical effect 5mg won't kill you.. 20mg could.

It's just taking precaution before using a new drug.

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swim doesn't think 20mg is a dangerous dose.. after all, his doctor (who is a psych) still has his license.. if he was fucking up people left and right by starting them off on 20mg twice a day there's no way he wouldn't have some kind of action taken against him.

swim got no tests taken or anything. basically told the doc that he has ADD and has never taken meds for it, and 20mg adderall IR twice a day was his recommendation.
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swim doesn't think 20mg is a dangerous dose.. after all, his doctor (who is a psych) still has his license.. if he was fucking up people left and right by starting them off on 20mg twice a day there's no way he wouldn't have some kind of action taken against him.

swim got no tests taken or anything. basically told the doc that he has ADD and has never taken meds for it, and 20mg adderall IR twice a day was his recommendation.
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To be clear, I never said that 20mg is guaranteed to be dangerous for a first-timer, but it being the second most potent pill, I think that 5-10mg is sufficient to test and my friends aren't hardcore tweakers, but if I give them a 20 they split it in half and take them on separate days. For the uninitiated, 5-10mg provides a good euphoria without all the problems of higher doses. Better to take too little than too much.

If the person happens to be manic, however, or have other symptoms that are stimulant-sensitive then 20mg could be very dangerous. 10mg would be enough to detect any bad side-effects while still playing it safe.


20mg is a strange dose to start out on, but, I was prescribed 20mg tablets as well.. but we're forgetting that it's inherently safer for someone who has symptoms of the disorder, but we're talking about recreational doses. These are for people who don't need the stuff. It doesn't have as sharp of an effect upon someone who needs it obviously.


But we're not doctors, and people can't diagnose themselves really. I was given a diagnostic test (really simple, but it checked for things like hyperactivity and concentration problems) as are most people who are prescribed the drug.


I don't think that Adderall is inherently dangerous, but I do think that 20mg for a first-timer is too much. I have 200lb friends who, when their tolerance is down, can't take 20mg without puking and getting a terrible headache, often accompanied by supreme misery. 20mg makes me feel like I'm gonna explode when my tolerance is down.


I've experienced catatonia from Adderall for a few hours and it is also not fun. Just sitting there, teeth grinding, thoughts churning away, and you can't even move out of the position you were in when you dosed 8 hours ago. Not fun.



So if they want to push it and possibly end up with a real bum night, try 20mg. If they want to check their tolerance and make sure that the drug doesn't cause them to freak out, then I'd say to start with a maximum of 10mg and double it 45 minutes after if necessary. The effects of different dosages obviously vary, and 20-30mg produces severe chest constriction in my body as well as several other unpleasant side-effects. Little things like this can ruin one's night pretty easily.



But, I concede, 20mg for a person with the disorder is justifiable. Even though when I was prescribed 20's on my first day they were far too potent.


If nothing else maybe this has helped some people establish what is a high dose and what is a low dose.


I must turn the question around, though, out of curiosity, would your friend recommend that someone without the disorder that he'd never met before take 20mg recreationally on their first time?

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swim was NOT given ANY kind of diagnostic test. doctor took his word for it and wrote the script (swim didn't even ask for adderall.. he was expecting some weak shit and having to work up towards it)

and like swim said earlier.. he was speedy as fuck from taking it day 1 (it was GREAT though). If he wants to focus on actual work.. he'll take 10mg as needed.. if he needs to clean his apartment, he snorts 20mg and cleans like a psychopath. swim tries to use it as little as possible to prevent tolerance and still get high off small doses.. taking more to chase that high will ALWAYS end in tears...
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swim was NOT given ANY kind of diagnostic test. doctor took his word for it and wrote the script (swim didn't even ask for adderall.. he was expecting some weak shit and having to work up towards it)

and like swim said earlier.. he was speedy as fuck from taking it day 1 (it was GREAT though). If he wants to focus on actual work.. he'll take 10mg as needed.. if he needs to clean his apartment, he snorts 20mg and cleans like a psychopath. swim tries to use it as little as possible to prevent tolerance and still get high off small doses.. taking more to chase that high will ALWAYS end in tears...
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pretty much the same situation for me as well as far as the prescription went. the tests must be new. I had it when I was 15 really bad and took it for 6 years and got myself together a bit. I went back again when I was 23 and got more because I didn't experience any withdrawal and it had given me some self-confidence, but with a fuzzed out brain it's impossible to keep thinking that way. So I eventually went back and they gave me a questionarre basically with 15 questions about stuff like my mood, aggressiveness, suicidal tendencies, hallucinations, delusions, schizophrenic tendencies, etc. The psychiatrist also asked a lot about all these things and the general spill on stuff like family history of psychosis or suicide, other drugs being taken for treatment, etc.

I also had a great experience on my first dose (a whole 20mg IR--at 15 I was only taking 5mg twice/day). I was just walking around like "oh my god! i feel fuckin great!" out loud and just being able to have that steady stream of consciousness that I hadn't experienced since stopping. It made me realize that how bad my mind had been a total haze for the last few years after quitting, and it was really working, not just as a high, but I had total clarity of the situation and whereas before my mind was just a chaotic fuzzy mess of ideas floating around, barely conscious. With the adderall I had all the thoughts, but they were kept nice and neat and I had one stream of consciousness instead of like 40. I did have a bit of a headache and quite a bad case of the tummy rumbles/diarrhea; but I was a little too happy to care.

That's one of the reasons I really want people to have a good experience on this substance, as I'm sure you do; I think it's absolutely a miracle drug. It could use a little touching up--some of the side effects are tough, but, truly an amazing little tool.


Even though I had a good time on the 20mg I don't think I could suggest it for a first-timer. Unless it's obvious that they can't keep their mind focused and they're a wreck. It actually helped me with a little depression I had and my sociability problems. Really it's quite an astonishing product, and if tapered off every now and then that first 20mg is absolutely killer (never as good as the first, though, yeah). And I do use it recreationally on occasion (usually never over 40mg), that dose used to make me blurry-eyed and comatose I was so focused on different things and fucked up, but recently it's just been making me feel a lot more euphoria and it's nice.



If it's fairly bad ADD 20mg is a really good starting dose for therapeautic after thinking about it. If you can deal with the side effects then it's quite powerful at showing you what you've been missing and what a bane this disorder is. I guess sort of like a breakthrough on psychedelics is ideal.

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