Originally Posted by hamsterdam
swim doesn't think 20mg is a dangerous dose.. after all, his doctor (who is a psych) still has his license.. if he was fucking up people left and right by starting them off on 20mg twice a day there's no way he wouldn't have some kind of action taken against him.
got no tests taken or anything. basically told the doc
that he has ADD
and has never taken meds for it, and 20mg adderall
IR twice a day was his recommendation.
SWIM sent the following:
To be clear, I never said that 20mg is guaranteed to be dangerous for a first-timer, but it being the second most potent pill, I think that 5-10mg is sufficient to test and my friends aren't hardcore tweakers, but if I give them a 20 they split it in half and take them on separate days. For the uninitiated, 5-10mg provides a good euphoria without all the problems of higher doses. Better to take too little than too much.
If the person happens to be manic, however, or have other symptoms that are stimulant-sensitive then 20mg could be very dangerous. 10mg would be enough to detect any bad side-effects while still playing it safe.
20mg is a strange dose to start out on, but, I was prescribed 20mg tablets as well.. but we're forgetting that it's inherently safer for someone who has symptoms of the disorder, but we're talking about recreational doses. These are for people who don't need the stuff. It doesn't have as sharp of an effect upon someone who needs it obviously.
But we're not doctors, and people can't diagnose themselves really. I was given a diagnostic test (really simple, but it checked for things like hyperactivity and concentration problems) as are most people who are prescribed the drug
I don't think that Adderall is inherently dangerous, but I do think that 20mg for a first-timer is too much. I have 200lb friends who, when their tolerance is down, can't take 20mg without puking and getting a terrible headache, often accompanied by supreme misery. 20mg makes me feel like I'm gonna explode when my tolerance is down.
I've experienced catatonia from Adderall for a few hours and it is also not fun. Just sitting there, teeth grinding, thoughts churning away, and you can't even move out of the position you were in when you dosed 8 hours ago. Not fun.
So if they want to push it and possibly end up with a real bum night, try 20mg. If they want to check their tolerance and make sure that the drug doesn't cause them to freak out, then I'd say to start with a maximum of 10mg and double it 45 minutes after if necessary. The effects of different dosages obviously vary, and 20-30mg produces severe chest constriction in my body as well as several other unpleasant side-effects. Little things like this can ruin one's night pretty easily.
But, I concede, 20mg for a person with the disorder is justifiable. Even though when I was prescribed 20's on my first day they were far too potent.
If nothing else maybe this has helped some people establish what is a high dose and what is a low dose.
I must turn the question around, though, out of curiosity, would your friend recommend that someone without the disorder that he'd never met before take 20mg recreationally on their first time?