Ecstasy = Zzzzzzzzz

[pankreeas]

Swim tried MDMA for the first time, decided against pre-loading with 5htp as to not overwhelm the E Virgin in him. The pills were in gelcaps with the insides full of what look to be full of little colored granules. There is normally no way in hell swim would ingest an unknown substance(s) inside a capsule based on what someone else told him, but his source is 100% reliable so he believes it was indeed pure mdma as was told.

3:00- Gelcap consumed

3:45- Some feelings.. anxiety and a overall good mood subdue swim.

4:00-Puke central for 5 minutes. Afterwards feeling much much better.

4:15- Everything is going full bore right now, but all swim can do is lay in bed and listen to how amazing the music sounds.

4:30- Swim believes it was at this point when he fell asleep and woke at 6:30 very rested and feeling no ill (or any) effects of a previous dose of anything.

So to sum it up, overall twas very nice but there was virtually none of that "omg i love you" euphoria that most users report. In fact more euphoria seemed present with a threshold dose of codeine.


Any similar experiences? Did swim do too little? I know it's hard to tell w/o exact numbers in mg.. the gelcap was small.. it weiged 166 mg with the mdma inside, and swim feared opening up the gelcap due to his clumsy nature.

[London_Bloke]

Sorry, but that doesn't sound like any MDMA roll SWIM has ever heard, for many reasons. Since SWIY isn't into rolling, SWIM doesn't expect SWIY to have a test kit around, but maybe a friend of a friend can help. It takes several tests to narrow down what is and isn't present. SWIM shan't bore you with the details (unless SWIY asks, then SWIM will happily elucidate).

[pankreeas]

Hrmmm. very curious. This individual has been selling the same product for years with many many of swims friends being happy customers and are always telling swim "it's true mdma, not speedy shit".. only lasts a couple hours. Well it definetly was clean from speed anyways, that was physically apparent.. pirculiar tho as to why the outcome was such a snoozefest. Only real positive was the slight mood boost and sound of music, altho to be fair there we no negative effects whatsoever. (well after the first pukefest)

[Nagognog2]

"little colored granules"? MDMA is a white (or slightly off-white) crystalline powder. Nausea is not a common side-effect. As an amphetamine derivative, falling asleep is virtually unknown. SWIM's inclination to no way in hell swallow unknown items is sound - and should have been adhered to in this instance.

Sounds possible SWIM was given a lowish dose of DXM. That would account for the auditory effects. Large amounts of DXM, in fact, commonly produces full-blown auditory hallucinations.

[Bajeda]

Falling asleep, comparing the euphoria to codeine (!!), lots of nausea (a little isn't too uncommon, but puke-central?), coloured granules, all from a dose of MDMA close to 166mg? ...........


Doesn't sound like swiy got MDMA. People can get unusual rolls from pills (even ones that are good for everyone else) but that just doesn't sound like it was MDMA.

[pankreeas]

Swim has dosed in the past many times on dxm and can see attributing some of the sluggishness to that hypothesis, but has never had such profound appreciation for music on any substance, not even in the ballpark. Swim says it was like being inside a gigantic pair of grado80 headphones.

Swim has also asked me to post a pic of said substance for curiosity sake. He also told me to apologize on his behalf for the crappy quality from his 6 year old 1.2 megapixel digital camera

*Btw the prediction of a major loss of substance upon opening the gelcap due in part to swims clumsiness has once again proven itself accurate. With even a 10 foot surface in front of him swim managed to lose 1/3 of the capsules contents to his infernal shag carpeting.

[pankreeas]

Ironic how swim always preaches to the baldoozenplots to never take anything inside a capsule unless they put it in themselves, then stupidly (figuring since they were previously taken by swims associates with only glowing effects, coupled with the fact that they came from a long time trustee) he went ahead and broke his cardinal rule. Tsk Tsk....

Oh and swim also might as well mention that approx. 1 hour after waking from his slumber, roughly 4 x 25 mg lines of coke were insufflated with virtually no effect whatsoever other than merely achieving a sub baseline buzz. 10 min passed, 1 more 25mg, nothing. Very odd.. Fast forward to 3 hours later.. All residual effects from any drug consumed today are pretty much at a minimal, so 2 x 25 mg more coke insufflated and swim is in a good place. Maybe the previous substance was still active without effect and somehow impeded the coke..

[Bajeda]

Almost looks like someone crushed up some pills and threw them in a gelcap. If thats the case, could be anything if the supplier was (as they generally do) getting a variety of pills.


Coke and ecstasy don't mix well. I'd advise against doing them together, as the coke tends to kill some of the empathogenic effects of the E as well as other effects you may get from it. Kills the coke buzz off a bit too, though not as much as it does to the E.

[dnb warrior]

It sounds like MDMA to SWIM... apart from he has never seen MDMA that colour but for all he knows it could exist.

anxiety, followed by nausea, followed by feeling much better, profound appreciation for music, looks just like typical mdma effects to SWIM.

as for the lack of any mind blowing loved up feelings... were there other people around, was SWIY talking to anyone? maybe then the effects would have been more apparent... if SWIY was doing nothing but lie down then maybe the music was all that was going through SWIY's head... sometimes on E SWIM finds himself in a kind of dream world where nothing goes through his mind except weird dreams, and whatever music hes listening to.

SWIM hasnt tried codeine or any opiate but he thinks maybe if you are trying to compare mdma to opiates you are looking at it the wrong way. it is an amazing euphoria but then swim wouldnt know how it compares to say a codeine buzz. anyway contrary to the other posters swim believes this was mdma, maybe try different set and setting and maybe a higher dosage next time.

[Lehendakari]

Originally Posted by pankreeas

3:00- Gelcap consumed

3:45- Some feelings.. anxiety and a overall good mood subdue swim.

4:00-Puke central for 5 minutes. Afterwards feeling much much better.

4:15- Everything is going full bore right now, but all swim can do is lay in bed and listen to how amazing the music sounds.

4:30- Swim believes it was at this point when he fell asleep and woke at 6:30 very rested and feeling no ill (or any) effects of a previous dose of anything.

This reminds me to swim's first E experience. He took orally one white pill of unknown dosage. Hours passed and swim only felt a little nausea and jaw pressure, and he was very calm and happy to some extent. He felt some empathogenic effects but very weak.

3-4 hours later he was asleep and had no problems slipping neither next morning. The curious thing about it is that later in the evening he felt somehow energetic and happy. He was actually feeling well at work instead of looking at the clock every 5 minutes. He actually enjoyed work and his mate (the one who got the pill for him) looked at him smiling and said: you still feeling it right?

Swim smiled as well and said... YEAH!

[mfrieze]

swim doesn't not beleive that it was mdma. swim could not imagine falling asleep while rolling. sounds to me like dxm as well

[pankreeas]

Well believe it or not folks, it's E. The pill's contents in the above picture were taken to a tester by swim. Swim told me 3 Ingredients were present, 1 of which was unknown. The other 2 were mdma, and sugar.

[Bassic]

SWIM has fallen asleep many a time on MDMA. Usually after like 7/10 Hours Dancing though . However he has fallen asleep without much physical activity at all. SWIM never really notices any speediness from MDMA, even with it being an Amphetamine derivative.

He has also experienced vomiting on MDMA... although he has attributed this to overheating on the dance floor everytime. He has however heard that MDMA first timers can vomit.

[The Doors]

SWIM definetely feels the effect of MDMA being an amphetamine derivative as he usually can't sleep following the next 24hours after ingestion. It doesn't bother him and it might be because he spends a lot of time reflecting on what occured to him that night.

[namooP]

Nausea is a common side effect while coming up amoung SwiMs friends, although not SwiM himself, so that might be particular to each person. As for the bang, or lack thereof, it could have been the set and setting. SwiM finds it very difficult to come up alone, and looking back at his first time, he found it hard to come up at all. It took a bone-melting head massage from a friend to kick start him (good memories). SwiM recommends taking it with friends next time. Apart from its obvious empathic benefits, it may be what was missing.

[Peace Frog]

Originally Posted by dnb warrior

It sounds like MDMA to SWIM... apart from he has never seen MDMA that colour but for all he knows it could exist.

anxiety, followed by nausea, followed by feeling much better, profound appreciation for music, looks just like typical mdma effects to SWIM.

as for the lack of any mind blowing loved up feelings... were there other people around, was SWIY talking to anyone? maybe then the effects would have been more apparent... if SWIY was doing nothing but lie down then maybe the music was all that was going through SWIY's head... sometimes on E SWIM finds himself in a kind of dream world where nothing goes through his mind except weird dreams, and whatever music hes listening to.

SWIM hasnt tried codeine or any opiate but he thinks maybe if you are trying to compare mdma to opiates you are looking at it the wrong way. it is an amazing euphoria but then swim wouldnt know how it compares to say a codeine buzz. anyway contrary to the other posters swim believes this was mdma, maybe try different set and setting and maybe a higher dosage next time.

SWIM doesn't know what kind of MDMA SWIY has been dropping, but all of SWIM's experiences were nothing like described aside from the appreciation for music.

SWIM would describe his overall experiences as "complete and utter contentment with the universe." ... no Nausea, ever, and certainly no falling asleep... but laying in bed and enjoying music was definently there.

[sterling77]

Just because mdma is an anphetamine doesn't mean it shares those strong speedy effects. When swim is on a high dose mdma he usually can't make himself get off of the couch (or rolling around on the floor). It feels as if he is encased in jell-o, and although he hasn't ever fallen asleep it is something that is heard of every once in awhile.

[Clif]

Swim would have to say that this sounds like a normal roll. MDMA is very setting dependent. If swiy would have been moving around or socializing an energy boost would have almost certainly been noticed. However, when relaxing many find that MDMA lends itself to very nice power naps of 1 to 2 hours.

[Peace Frog]

After yesterdays roll, SWIM would like to rephrase his last post...

SWIM's experience yesterday was a trance of music and "under the eye lid" visuals that were almost like a dream state, but SWIM was very much awake, with his eyes closed. Also, SWIM has found that if he starts burning, he'll dose off for a half hour to an hour, and then he's right back up again ready to go for a walk.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by Bassic

SWIM has fallen asleep many a time on MDMA. Usually after like 7/10 Hours Dancing though . However he has fallen asleep without much physical activity at all. SWIM never really notices any speediness from MDMA, even with it being an Amphetamine derivative.

He has also experienced vomiting on MDMA... although he has attributed this to overheating on the dance floor everytime. He has however heard that MDMA first timers can vomit.

Dancing till you drop on MDMA is very risky and can cause brain damage due to overheating and exhaustion. Please take precautions when dancing on MDMA, take some breaks, hydrate yourself prefferably with isotonic sports drinks and try to stay cool.

[Bassic]

SWIM usually does make sure he takes breaks and rehydrates but sometimes its easy to forget in the heat of the moment.

[oxpzo]

swim enjoys good old fashioned h2o wile rolllllllllllllllin

[pankreeas]

hrmm.. kinda strange this thread is still even going, but oh well. Like I said.. it was mdma and sugar, w / food coloring. 75 mg mdma 75 mg sugar, and the coloring makes up the rest of the 166mg contents of the gelcap. Anywhoo, since 4 months have almost passed since my original post I have come to the conclusion that the 2ct2 swim used 3 days before was responsible. In the 4 months after his first dose, he has used maybe 20 times in 4 months, and realizes only when he doesn't do ANY tryp's, pea's etc... will he get full effects off E. Last month swim railed 150 mg and rectal'd 75 with absolutely no effects. Same batch of gelcaps week later with no cross-tolerance.. darn nice euphoria off 125 mg.. Week later swim tested takin Tryptophan as a bootster instead of E.. the effects made him all speedy but did start bringin out some euphoria, and swims eyes were dialated for almost 24 hours. Swim's seratonin just takes longer to replenish than most? or it is swims use of anti-depressants (or rather was it swim the guinea pig more like it) he thinks at times his doc was just givin him the newest one on the market expecting a miracle cure. He was on them from age 16 - 22 and ended up having a seizure on effexor, so they put him on zoloft and he said fuck you all.. never again. Now swim still has zolofts.. lots of em.. would it benefit him to take some twince a week or something to make sure seratonin levels are ok?
Does anyone else have a very worthless experience on E for no reason? and just end up blamin on the tryps? then week later same batch, great effects.
Also noticing brain zaps occasionally...... it seems totally random but trying to investigate.

It could also depend on a body physique and personality in general.
For example, SWIM is physically slim and fit (ectomorph is the term?) and lacks what is it called energy and stamina, plus not very sociable.
Hence, E-rolling is always mild and it's easy to fall asleep or become stoned/numb (for a remote observer), while having absolutely great feeling inside.

So, falling asleep could be a standard deal if all four positions have been met (set+setting+phys+character).

[namooP]

As said, SwiM finds set and setting pretty important for E. His preference is in a room with a couch, stereo and a few friends. SwiM has only rolled at two concerts. At the first, everyone was on a big pile of drugs and it was great. Second time, great music, great DJ, great lighting effects, fantastic pills, shit crowd. As a result of the crowd alone, it was a terrible experience. SwiM especially cant roll without someone to socialise with. Comfort, warmth, music and friends and SwiM is sorted.