how to avoid Kholes or anything else terrifying

[poison1981]

Helllo


SWIM was just wondering how someone could take Ketamine but not deal with the sscary effects such as hallucinating or losing control with dissassociative effects but at the sametime experience a decent buzz? is it possible even

[Alicia]

well u really need to read up on the hole ketamine thing! and what its used for. in low doses which what you'd be looking at would create those effects your looking for. Ketamine will cause those effects that u dont want in higher doses yet this is the main reason why people do take ketamine for its dissociation like effects.

Swia did hear about CK1 which is practiced in some club sences not that she condones it, but ketamine in its powder form would be snorted with coke to create that sort of feeling.

[poison1981]

swim just wanted a quick easy nice relaxing high but does not like to drink booze and does not like the herbals finds them to cause paranoia

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by poison1981

swim just wanted a quick easy nice relaxing high but does not like to drink booze and does not like the herbals finds them to cause paranoia

Let me get this straight... kava or kratom cause SWIY paranoia, but he's wanting to do ketamine? Strange trip, man....

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

Let me get this straight... kava or kratom cause SWIY paranoia, but he's wanting to do ketamine? Strange trip, man....

I don't think hes talking about kava or kratom, though I may be wrong.

Herbals could refer to Herbal XTC. Or more likely it refers to benzylpiperazines and other assorted piperazines. In New Zealand at least, and I think Canada also, piperazine containing products are called "Herbals".

[poison1981]

Dxm has already been thought of but it is to dangerous for SWIM to play with because SWIM is on SSRI's

[Alicia]

learn to meditate.. thats a good experience.. Learn what set and setting means and im sure you will not have probs with swiy's herbal consumption but then not for everyone im sure. explore maybe you will find something u can do..

[CrookedEye]

K is pretty intense, especially if one experiences paranoia.. Starting with a small key bump of K, should give one a pretty nice buzz, but not overly unmanageable.. Most K users actually prefer to go straight into the K-Hole, as this is where they stop worrying about their body and just experience an intense psychedelic experience that is isn't easy to describe.. Magical and intesne, are two words that come to SWIM's mind..

[Bajeda]

Sounds like GHB might be a better substance to experiment with rather than Ketamine for the effects swiy is looking for.

[Riconoen {UGC}]

Or DXM, swiy'll get dissociated but less intense than k and with alot of feeling good thrown in.

[poison1981]

sorry meant to say dxm has already been experimented on SWIM did enjoyit but SWIM does not want to have Seratonin syndrome

[dnb warrior]

most K users SWIM knows don't like to k-hole, they prefer a smaller dose. SWIY should search the internet for recreational doses of K, and take a low dose to start with. its very unlikely he/she will hallucinate/lose control etc unless it's a pretty high dose. more likely SWIY will just feel confused.

of course theres a lot of variables it is not always possible to be sure how much SWIM is taking, and everyone can react differently i speak from SWIM's personal experience only. but with a low dose i don't think SWIY would have a problem.

[bewilderment]

Swim agrees with the "small bumps" advice....swim aim whenever she used K was to K-hole, but never experienced such due to cross-tolerance with DXM. Swiy should most likely be fine with low doses...take a small bump, wait about 15 minutes to see if the effects are satisfactory and take a SMALL amount more if not. It's most likely going to be trial and error, but if swiy stays with the insufflation route of administration and low doses then he probably won't K-hole. One just has to learn how one reacts to a compound, personally.

Many people do not K-hole so it shouldn't be a huge concern unless one is taking large amounts...that is 25mg bumps every so often will probably be rather mild. Just don't go doing 100mg lines or something and swiy will most likely be fine.

And, as far as ethnos go, Swim suggests kratom a nice, relaxing high if that's what swiy wants. It also has stimulant properties, but swim never found it all that stimulating. It seems to be moreso with those who already have an opiate tolerance. Swim usually finds it relaxing and mildly euphoric...although it can contribute to insomnia if taken at night. And, it rules out the possibility of going on a "trip" that swiy doesn't want.

Ketamine is nice, though, in swim's experience. She's always found it a nice, mellow high, but knows it has the potential for intensity.