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Old 09-12-2006, 02:05
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Post HOWTO: make tasty, edible, green salvia paper that burns clean

SWIM says they taste great, they burn very fast and cleanly with no smoke, and they give a measured dose of Salvinorin A just the way SWIY may like it. A picture of the end result is attached to this post.

SWIM would like to share a recent success story with you, in the spirit of open source, being nice to each other, pleasantness. SWIM has decided SWIM values their lungs and they think Salvia is too bitter so they've found a better way. The method of extraction is cheaper and much easier than usual too.

One square contains between .25 and 1mg of Salvinorin A depending on the size of the square, i.e. a dose. The darker squares are stronger. Put that in your pipe and smoke it; or leave it to dissolve under the tongue. If one square wasn't enough, and you still have coordination, then put another in your pipe. The substrate is "Super Cook Edible Wafer Paper" available from most supermarkets. It burns very fast as it is made of starch and it gives off no visible smoke as it burns. It smells like burning sugar/caramel. The method uses readily available ingredients that you will not have any trouble finding.
SWIY will need:
  • Edible Wafer Paper, aka. rice paper, edible paper, starch paper, cake decorating paper. Most supermarkets sell this. Ingredients will say "potato starch" or "rice starch" or similar
  • At least 50g of dry Salvia Divornum leaf but no more than 200g
  • Pure Acetone (get this from a fiber-glass company or DIY shop)
  • White spirits, or Naptha or Shellite (Australia) or White gas (North America) or Coleman fuel or pure Paraffin Lamp Oil. They're all very clean petroleum distillates. If you are in a rush use a fast evaporating naptha based lighter fluid. If you are patient and safe, use a slow evaporating paraffin lamp oil. White spirits are best because you can buy it at the supermarket and its comparatively safe.
  • 1 wide glass dish, metal pan or baking tray (NOT non-stick!). Glass is best so you can see what's going on. Make sure that it is completely clean and dry.
  • 2 tall glasses or vases, pint glasses are perfect.
  • 1 small plastic bottle (330ml) with its lid
  • 1 roll of kitchen paper, or napkins or toilet paper.
  • 1 completely metal fork.
  • 1 completely metal spoon

Preliminaries:

Both Acetone and Naptha are very flammable. Acetone is nearly as flammable and volatile as petrol/gasoline. Naptha can be even more flammable than petrol. Pretend that you are working with warm petrol and you won't go wrong. This whole process must take place either outside, next to a wide open window/door or in a purpose built fume cupboard where the fan is designed not to spark. If your house-mate smokes, hide their lighter and matches. If you get electric shocks when you touch metal objects then make sure you are discharged before getting started.

Both Acetone and Naptha are harmful if swallowed or inhaled. If you've ever used dope to make a model airplane you'll know what SWIM means by solvent abuse. When working with these solvents, it is very easy to give yourself a headache; it's easy to breathe enough to make your head spin. If not careful you could breathe enough to give yourself lung damage and knock you out. Its possible that you won't wake up. DON'T BREATHE THE VAPOURS.

Acetone dissolves most plastics, paints and rubber. Use only glass or metal implements when working with the acetone.

Method:
If you want to know the reasons behind the method then see the end of the post.

Stage 0 - Weigh your dried leaf
You need to know how much leaf you start with to get the dosage correct. You'll probably know this if you bought the leaf dried anyway.

Stage 1 - Extract the Salvinorin A into the acetone
  • Put the acetone in the freezer for an hour. If your freezer isn't big enough, put it in the fridge overnight. If you don't have a fridge, don't worry, you can work at room temperature but it will be harder work.
  • This may sound silly but it works very well: Cover the bottom of your dish/pan with filter paper (e.g. toilet role) . If using toilet role then use a couple of layers.
  • Crush Salvia by hand into a pint glass. DO NOT GRIND OR POWDER THE LEAF
  • Completely cover the crushed Salvia with acetone. It can be quite hard to pour acetone so be careful.
  • If you cooled the acetone, leave the mix for 5 minutes stirring occasionally. If you are using warm acetone then 2 minutes is enough.
  • Tip the very slightly green acetone into the bowl with the filter paper in.
  • Carefully remove the paper from the bowl taking all the dust with it. Squeeze the acetone out of the paper into the bowl.
  • If the acetone still has dust in it then tip it into another suitable container, put fresh paper in your bowl and tip the acetone back into the bowl. Twice through the filter paper is usually plenty.
  • You should now have a bowl of light green, completely clear, acetone containing almost all of the Salvinorin A from the leaves.

WARNING:
Salvinorin A is very delicate when dissolved in acetone. Do not expose to sunlight. Do not overheat. If the solution feels warm then it will be too hot for the Salvinorin.
Stage 2 - Evaporate the acetone to leave behind the Salvinorin and some wax
  • If you've got a washing up bowl or a sink next to a wide open window on a windy day then put a couple of inch of hot water in it. You should be able to comfortably put your hand in.
  • Place the bowl of acetone into the hot water and leave the area
  • The acetone will evaporate quite rapidly so you don't want to have your head over the bowl.
  • When the water gets cold, change it for hot water again
  • Using a fan is a BAD IDEA, because motors make small sparks inside. HOWEVER, SWIM uses one anyway. SWIM makes sure that it is not too close to the bowl and it points out of the open window so that the vapors do not pass over the motor. Using a fan with a heating element is a VERY BAD IDEA.
  • Wait for all the acetone to evaporate. This can take anywhere from an hour to 24 hours depending on how patient and safe you are. Leaving it overnight is best (the sun can't get at it and you are less likely to want to rush the process).
  • Once the chemical smell has gone away completely you have completed this stage.
You should now have a bowl with a dry green/amber coating of wax and crystals. If you didn't bash the leaf around too much initially, you should already be able to see the microscopic Salvinorin crystals glistening in amongst the remaining wax.

Stage 3 - Getting rid of the nasty wax by washing the crystals with naptha.
Wise man once say: "Wax dissolves in white spirit/naptha/petroleum distillates. Salvinorin A doesn't."

For this stage you are allowed to use a plastic funnel.
  • Scrape the crystals using your metal spoon so that most of it is loose in the bowl. If lots of wax sticks to your spoon then stop. We'll scrape it in a minute.
  • Add a little white spirit to the bowl.
  • Scrape the remaining wax/crystal with your spoon so it is all loose.
  • There may be little bits of wax floating in the solution at this stage but they go away if you stir and if that fails you can squash them against the edge of the bowl with your spoon.
  • Once you've dissolved as much wax into the white spirit as you can you should again have a slightly green solution with a very fine snow floating in it. The snow is Salvinorin A-G crystals and its other non-soluble crystal friends.
  • Tip the solution into a pint glass (a plastic funnel helps).
  • Wash any remaining residue from the bowl into the OTHER pint glass using more white spirits.
  • Once ALL the residue is into the two pint glasses, top them both up so that they are nearly full.
  • Leave to settle for about 30mins (or watch the pretty snow of crystals fall to the bottom).
You should now have two pint glasses full of green white spirit or naptha or whatever. At the bottom of the glasses should be a green/amber/black dust.
Stage 4 - Getting the crystals out of the white spirit.
  • Make a small hole ( 1 mm ) in the bottom of the plastic bottle, e.g. using a cork screw.
  • Take the top off the bottle and keep it to hand
  • Gently push the bottom of the bottle into the white spirit. The bottle will slowly fill up with green white spirit. BE GENTLE so that you don't disturb the sediment.
  • Once the bottom of the plastic bottle is as close as you dare get to the sediment (perhaps two thirds of the way in) stop.
  • Carefully screw the top back onto the bottle.
  • Gently take the bottle out of the pint glass removing most of the white spirit with it.
  • Use your homemade bottle pipette to get as much white spirit out of the two glasses as you dare without disturbing the sediment
You should now have two pint glasses with a little bit of green white spirit in and some beautiful (but still a bit green) crystals at the bottom. You can top up the pint glasses with fresh white spirit, stir and then repeat Stage 4 as many times as you like. The more you repeat, the cleaner your crystals. For the purpose of making the green paper, two washes is plenty.
Stage 5 - Evaporate the remaining white spirit.
  • Make sure that your bowl or pan is clean and dry.
  • Transfer the sediment into the bowl. Use a spoon to scrape as much of the sediment from the pint glasses into the bowl as you can. Don't worry if you can't get all the sediment out.
  • Make sure that you've tipped all of the white spirit out of the glasses into the bowl
  • Put a couple of inch of warm water into your washing up tub or sink by the open window.
  • Put the bowl into your washing up tub
  • As before, evaporate all of the white spirit until the chemical smell has completely gone away. This stuff is even worse for you than the acetone and smells bad too. Try to do it outside if you can and prevent stuff falling into your now very clean solution.
You should now have a bowl and some pint glasses with clean Salvinorin crystals stuck to them. Don't use the crystal yet - there's one more step to make them safe (and pleasant) for human consumption!

Stage 6
- Getting the crystals into the right amount of edible paper.
You want to end up with small squares of paper that each hold about one dose. A small dose of Salvia is about 0.5mg, i.e. 5/10000th of a gram. 1 gram of leaf contains about 2mg of Salvinorin A, i.e. 4 small doses.
  • Multiply the weight of dried leafs you started with, in grams, by 4. This is how many doses you hope to have. Make a note of this number.
  • You need to be able to cut your edible paper into this many small pieces such that each piece fits nicely into your pipe. Decide how much paper you are going to use from the packet of edible paper. SWIM used a 14x7cm rectangle of edible paper for an original batch of 50g dry leaf.
  • Place the edible paper into the bowl
  • Back to the acetone again. Use as little as possible to wash the residue from the pint glasses into the bowl.
  • Add enough acetone to the bowl to just cover the paper
  • Wash the acetone around the bowl until all of the crystals are dissolved.
  • Evaporate the acetone until there is just a little left soaking the edible paper.
  • Gently use the paper to wipe the bowl clean. Be gentle because the paper becomes quite brittle when it is wet with acetone.
  • Keep gently mopping up the bowl with the paper until all of the acetone is gone. REGULARLY CHANGE THE POSITION OF YOUR FINGERS ON THE PAPER AS YOU MOP UP THE RESIDUE, otherwise you'll end up with bits of the paper that are stronger than other bits.
  • Once the smell of acetone has completely gone and the paper is dry, cut it up into the number of doses that you calculated. e.g. for 50g of starting leaf, cut the paper into 150-200 pieces. REMEMBER, you can always use more than one bit at a time if you find its not strong enough. Wise man also once say: "If too strong when you smoke, then too late to cut paper up small." You now have a quantified dose of clean easy to use Salvinorin.
With EXPERIENCE (i.e. not on your first attempt) you may find that you can use less doses for the same starting quantity of dry leaf. SWIM cuts the 14x7 cm paper into 50 pieces rather than 200 as SWIM already knows that a 1mg dose is right for him and he's done the extraction before so gets a fairly even dose onto each bit of paper. On SWIMs first attempt, SWIM ended up with some bits of paper much stronger (and greener) than others because SWIMs fingers left salvinorin prints on the paper. Usefully, the strength was colour coded into the paper so it was clear which papers were stronger.

That's it. Store them in a dark place, perhaps with a big bit of edible paper to absorb moisture. Any questions?

Reasoning:
  • Edible starch paper burns very hot and fast. This means it burns cleanly and hot enough to vapourise all of the Salvinorin A. Since it doesn't produce smoke, there's no tar to inhale. A fast burn means there's no carbon monoxide either. This is as safe as smoking gets.
  • Since the paper is edible you can still use the more slow release "sub-lingual" (putting it under your tongue) traditional method. The process removes much of the bitter flavours and the starch paper is turned to sugar in your mouth. It could also hold flavouring, again available from the supermarket.
  • The waxy gunk in the leaves doesn't dissolve as easily if it's cold. Salvia will dissolve very easily in acetone even when cold. A few spoons of acetone can hold all the Salvia in 50g of leaf but you still need to use enough to cover the leaf.
  • If you grind the leaves then you get lots of green/black wax as well as Salvinorin A. You are crushing it to make it fit into the glass, NOT to make the Salvinorin easier to get at. The acetone loves Salvinorin A and will extract it all without any help. Acetone is so infatuated with Salvinorin A that it will still extract it all from the leaf even if you've put it in the freezer first. Salvinorin A is 30 times more soluble in acetone than in alcohols so using any other solvent is a waste of time and money.


Reputation Comments on this post:
  
  kudos and thank you for this awesome idea
  
  great first post. Have more pics?
  
  this is a really strong first post. keep em coming!
  
  very nice first post, please post more and share your knowledge of salvia and whatever other drugs you may be experience...
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Last edited by nagual; 09-12-2006 at 17:14. Reason: making some points more clear
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Re: HOWTO: make tasty, edible, green salvia paper that burns clean

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Re: HOWTO: make tasty, edible, green salvia paper that burns clean

Ah, swim remembers this TEK.

There were a few things about it that swim didn't like.

1. SWIM personally would go for purer stuff (if time permitted....and it doesn't take much more work to do the extra washes.....see Sphere's tek in the archive).

2. SWIM could never find starch paper in his local store

3. The whole part about mopping up the papers and getting the extract onto the papers seems a little sketchy. Because of places where the Sal-A can cake, there could be dramatic differences in dosage. It's very inaccurate. Using an eyedropper and dripping it onto the papers is a much better plan in SWIM's opinion.
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Re: HOWTO: make tasty, edible, green salvia paper that burns clean

Totally Agree even if swim has never taken the time to do it. If he did, He would go for ultra pure (And the rest would wash out and be damn pure enough to make 'extracts' of some extra leaf for his lightweight buddies). If one does the work one does the good stuff. Swim plans on doing this before too long though so he has been studying them. Extracts are just insanely expensive when swim could get 30x what he's paying for from the best sources. And from reading..it seems so fuckin easy if a Swimmer has the space and time for it.

And I'm sorry but...

Edible starch paper burns very hot and fast. This means it burns cleanly and hot enough to vapourise all of the Salvinorin A. Since it doesn't produce smoke, there's no tar to inhale. A fast burn means there's no carbon monoxide either. This is as safe as smoking gets.

...is just bullshit. If one makes High potency smoking tabs from cigarette papers one is still going to smoke it with a bong and torch lighter. Even a tiny bit of paper with BURN and produce carbon monoxide...even if it is a very small amount. If done with blotter sized measured potency pieces of cigarette paper, then the produced burn is absolutely minimal. Corn Starch Rolling papers FTW. Swim need to hit up his local headshops lol.

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well i'm not gonna bs you, thats a little out of my league but who knows maybe i'll run into someone someday that will help me out
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Why would my cat want to use acetone instead of isopropyl? He's got a very cheap source of iso that's pretty pure and would like to know the pro's and con's.
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Re: HOWTO: make tasty, edible, green salvia paper that burns clean

Acetone can hold much more Salvinorin than IPA. Acetone holds 23 mg Salvinorin per ml. For 99% IPA it's only .74 mg Salvinorin per ml of fluid.
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Acetone also evaporates several times quicker.....if time is an issue.
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Re: HOWTO: make tasty, edible, green salvia paper that burns clean

Oh wow! It's POINT 73. I think I read that figure before because I was under the impression that iso was several times stronger.

My cat has said that he often feels that he loses a lot of potency when he uses iso. He probably just wasn't using enough then. Could the same be said of LSA? His iso extractions of MG seeds don't seem to work consistently either.
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