Health - breast feeding and LSD

[pinpilinpauxa]

hi
Swim asked me to get your informed/experiencefull opinions about lsd & brest feeding. People are asking her to join them for a trip amongst friends on newyear's eve. Her baby will be about 8 months old by then. Now almost 7 months old, mothers milk is still its main feeding. It's unpredictible how this will evolve, but probably the baby will still demand regular brest feeding.

Arguments pro given to her are that, using acid, the quantity dope in her blood will be so low hardly any psychoactive stuff will reach the baby. The dose of chemicals would be so low it would not harm the baby. -> ????

On psychoactive level, she wonders -if enough substance does reach the baby to make it trip- if maybe this can be seen like a western ayahuesca-sensation, thus rather positive? -> ????

The baby's been brought up very pure untill now, with all mummymilk and bio and lots a loving attention; swim's quite para about her baby, so she wants to be best informed as possible.
About care for the baby with parents tripping in a safe home surrounding, nobody should worry, since swim&friends are experienced and are not planning on berserking. Swim tells me that infants rather enjoy 'their' adults to be happily trippin.

thanx for all responses

[Alfa]

There is a reason why almost every drug has a warning against using them if breast feeding.
I can't believe that using LSD is even considered while breast feeding is involved.
Children prenatally exposed to hallucinogens are at increased risk for experiencing functional and behavioural impairments. (1, 5)

Drugs, pregnancy and lactation
http://aappolicy.aappublications.org...cs%3b108/3/776
http://www.breastfeedingbasics.com/h...s_and_bf.shtml

[raven3davis]

I cant see an ayahuasca type trip being positive for an infant. I think this is pretty much a no brainer.

[roserjoe]

Well, if SWiY trips on say December 25th, LSD should be completely out of her system by January 1st, probably even sooner.

[raven3davis]

Originally Posted by roserjoe

Well, if SWiY trips on say December 25th, LSD should be completely out of her system by January 1st, probably even sooner.

True but how would she feed the baby between Dec 25 and Jan1? If you can put some milk in bottles then that would be the only solution in my book. If you cannot do that then you will be putting your babys health at jeopardy.

[snapper]

If there is any chance of a problem, it is a chance you should NOT take with your child. Just be paitent and wait until your kid is weaned.

[rodent]

I'm going to have to agree with snapper and the rest here... don't take the chance.
Suppose something were to happen down the road... like your child develops some strange condition or worse... passes away from something like SIDS. How would you feel then? Could you live with yourself wondering if your actions might have caused the horrible consequences? I know these seem like distant things that happen to other people but, they always do till they happen to you.

Don't ever take for granted that you have a happy/healthy baby or child.

-my 2 cents

[pinpilinpauxa]

Originally Posted by raven3davis

I cant see an ayahuasca type trip being positive for an infant. I think this is pretty much a no brainer.

This is a cultural thing. Ayahuasca is a purgative. In the Amazon, it was & probably is given to mothers soon after the birth as a postpartum medecine so both mother and nursed infant will easily overcome birth trauma.
u can called it a "no brainer" to compare ayahuasca & lsd, but should really try to bear in mind the cultural window you're looking through.

Swim told me that your reactions have strengthened her in her opinion. Since reaction is unpredictible, there will be no action. thanx to all.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by roserjoe

Well, if SWiY trips on say December 25th, LSD should be completely out of her system by January 1st, probably even sooner.

This is a error, which is often made. LSD has a cross tolerance with psilocin which lasts up to 3 weeks. So, that indicates that there is some effect left within this time frame. Note that the pharmacological workings of LSD are still not clear.

[mr. strawberry]

look, i have a daughter and actually went with my women to the breast feeding classes she signed up for (what can i say im a heck of a guy) anyway, they told us that if you plan on drinking to pump milk and store it so the baby can drink clean milk. then, the next day to pump milk again and throw it away and then the next batch should be good. i have no idea if lsd would go through a womens milk or not but why take the chance, just pump some in advance. btw, i hope someone sober will be watching the baby.

[CRUNK]

LSD is out of your system in 24 hours anyway, thru your urine. Get a couple of breast pumps and go to town.

[Antipodium Princess]

Ok so what about the effects of extc in the system whilst b/f? swim is a long time user who has just had a baby and wants to have a night out how long b 4 its safe to resume b/f after taking extc?

[Jatelka]

Antipodium Princess:

Please see here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...stfeeding+mdma

[Antipodium Princess]

Cheers Jatelka,
That thread was exactly what I was looking for .

[Evil GIR]

LSD has a halflife of 2.5 hours, so in theory 5 hours after injestion there should be no lsd left in the body only metabolites. Although to be safe i would leave it for 48 hours and also to pump away any milk produced in that period of time.

Dont chuck it though, i am sure you could sell it online.

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by Evil GIR

LSD has a halflife of 2.5 hours, so in theory 5 hours after injestion there should be no lsd left in the body only metabolites. Although to be safe i would leave it for 48 hours and also to pump away any milk produced in that period of time.

This is not how half-lives work. Drugs with first-order kinetics (such as LSD) are broken down in a process of exponential metabolism, which usually takes 6 half-lives until the drug is "gone" (6 half-lives of LSD would 15 hours).

Since the half-life is the time it takes for 50% of the drug to be broken down, the next half-life will break down 50% of the remaining 50%.

In other words, taking 100ug of LSD will result in the metabolism of 50ug in the first half-life. The following half-life will metabolize 50% of the remaining 50ug, leaving 25ug behind. After that, the next half-life will metabolize 50% of that, leaving 12.5ug behind and so on and so on until there is a negligable amount left.


Something with zero-order kinetics however, is broken down at a constant rate (ethanol for instance at a rate of ~10-15ml/hr in a healthy adult) and would follow your logic.

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good correction