Buprenorphine Experiences

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM has been seeing alot of questions and posts about buprenorphine recently, and while this is still a rarer opioid to come across, its use in pain control and maintenance and tapering with opiate/opioid addiction is becoming increasingly common. Some people report subjective highs with use of this drug, others say that it does nothing but keep them from withdrawing. SWIM is starting this thread so that lab rats, pet flamingos, and SWIYs the world over can report on their experiences with this drug.

SWIM's experience two weeks ago with this drug was an interesting one, and the catalyst for starting this thread for him. He had previously only experienced taking the 0.2 temgesic tabs sublingually, getting a slight head buzz but nothing of note. At the time of ingestion, SWIM did not expect much from this drug.

SWIM had not taken any opiates in the past couple days before ingestion, and the only other drugs he had taken recently was a couple hits of weed about 12 hours before.

SWIM has a high opioid tolerance, so he doesnt reccomend his starting dose for the opiate naive person or lab rat. He dissolved an 8 mg subutex tablet sublingually. About 10 minutes in, SWIM began to feel a bit of physical energy. This was interesting since usually SWIM gets largely cognitive and emotional effects from opioids. Soon SWIM found himself full of energy, and was extremely talkative, and semi-restless. He and two friends were having a great conversation, and they decided to go get some food.

About an hour after ingestion, SWIM felt a very mild euphoria. It did not feel like the extreme, overwhelming euphoria SWIM gets from fentanyl, oxycodone, or other strong opioids. It felt more natural and subdued, like a really good mood. Granted SWIM had been in a good mood before ingestion, but this was even stronger than that. The physical energy continued, but SWIM found it easy to eat and sit still when needed, at the same time.

What SWIM also found intriguing was that, due to the long half-life of the drug, SWIM did not feel a decline in his feelings of happiness or physical energy. The drug was still going strong about 5 hours later when SWIM decided to sleep. Sleep, however, did not come easily. It took SWIM at least an hour to fall asleep although he felt tired. He woke up 6 hours later after having some incredibly weird and vivid dreams, and still felt some residual energy.

SWIM's experience seems unusual when compared to other people he's talked to about this drug. How does it make SWIY feel, for those who have tried it?

SWIM also wants to point out that he is NOT trying to promote this drug or any other opioid. For those without a history of opioid use, he'd advise them to steer clear of this one altogether, since it seems to come in doses that are rather high, and could be too much for someone without a tolerance (although SWIM doesnt know this for sure, it doesnt hurt to be safe).

Reputation Comments on this post:

very informative database for this new one

[Fantasian]

SWIF found this drug interesting, below is SWIF's personal account.

Buprenorphine(temgesic) A mixed antagonist, agonist opioid. Commonly used to treat addiction but in SWIM's case prescribed for fast pain relief due to it being sublingual.
Synthetic opiate

Clinical dosage 0.4 - 0.6 mg
For Severe pain with rapid onset
Onset Sublingually - 30 seconds - 2 minutes
Peak - 12 hours
Come down - 12 hours
Total duration - 24 hours 2 minutes


0.6mg Sublingual - rapid onset of effects, almost as fast as an injection however no rushing feeling of opiates present. With this i noticed a very differant feeling than the usual opiates. In some sense I felt the relaxation and usual opiate feelings however felt they were being withheld or contained. I liken it to a starving person having to eat a choclate cake slowly. It is a strange sensation indeed. (please note this is prior to any addictions i might possess) Less of a after day effect however one is still present.

[Psych0naut]

According to Erowid, 600ug(0,6mg) sublingually is equal to 10mg morphine i.v.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

According to Erowid, 600ug(0,6mg) sublingually is equal to 10mg morphine i.v.

I'd agree when it comes to analgesia(pain relief) but not recreationally.

[Klaus]

Swim has found Temgesic to be a good analgesic but also VERY pleasant in reasonable doses 10- 0.6 mg tabs in an hour or so but would not recomend this to a rat without experience with opiates. Its one of Swims favourites. Swim found in high doses the high lasts for a long time. Swim finds an abundance of energy mental and physical, No nausea whatsoever . The problem swim finds is that it takes some time for a tablet to dissolve.

[mickenator]

Swim found there way into opiates through Temgesic, swim started of by taking .2mg pills and it wasn't long before one started taking two .4mg tabs. Swim quite enjoyed the buzz from these little fellows at first but once swims tollerence had built up one was taking them to just feel normal and when swim migrated to taking heroin and couldn't get any H they found that the tems did nothing for them.

[Lehendakari]

My lab rat took 0.4 mg of temgesic sublingual 2 hours ago. The rat has no tolerance to opiates/oids, he's only tried codeine and the last time was a month ago.

T+0 took the first one. Taste is slightly orange-like but not pleasant. He was expecting a fast onset but 20 min later wasn't feeling it so he took another one.

T+45 min. He starts feeling it, very similar to codeine, relaxed feeling and head buzz. Motor skills and balance impaired.

T+2 h. same as above, with small waves of euphoria and good mood. The feeling is actually very cool and he is enjoying it. The rat is still buzzing and effects have not diminished. I'll report if anything changes but I guess that's gonna be all about it.

Definitely better than codeine and free of side effects (other than balance difficulties). No nausea and less body load than codeine.

Could Forthesevenlakes make this sticky? I think is a great opiate to use recreationally as well.

EDIT:
T+4 h

Lab rat reports effects are increasing in sedation, there is discomfort when moving or walking. Smoked a joint of good mj and right now he has problems keeping his eyes open.

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[Klaus]

Swim would like to get this effect out of just two Temgesics

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Klaus

Swim would like to get this effect out of just two Temgesics

SWIM seems to think that the less of a tolerance one has to opiates, the more recreational effects one would get from buprenorphine. Any thoughts?

[Klaus]

Originally Posted by Forthesevenlakes

SWIM seems to think that the less of a tolerance one has to opiates, the more recreational effects one would get from buprenorphine. Any thoughts?

Definitely yes Swim does not have any effect using any under 10 Temgesic, but Swim uses 240 mg of DHC a day.

[Lehendakari]

Originally Posted by Klaus

Swim would like to get this effect out of just two Temgesics

In retrospect SWIM would say that .4 mg was even a little to much.

After finishing the joint (4 hours after scoring the tablets) the sedation was overwhelming and the rat spent all night drifting in and out of sleep.

He's noticed this synergy before with codeine but not so strong.

The main recreational effect is the good mood and happiness. There is no noticeable euphoria, just a few moments of "man i feel good".

300 mg of codeine has more noticeable "hits" of euphoria. The rat will try soon 0.6

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by Lehendakari

In retrospect SWIM would say that .4 mg was even a little to much.

After finishing the joint (4 hours after scoring the tablets) the sedation was overwhelming and the rat spent all night drifting in and out of sleep.

He's noticed this synergy before with codeine but not so strong.

The main recreational effect is the good mood and happiness. There is no noticeable euphoria, just a few moments of "man i feel good".

300 mg of codeine has more noticeable "hits" of euphoria. The rat will try soon 0.6

If your rat was already heavily sedated and nodding hard, than don't you think upping the dose with a third is a bit too much for the rat?
If you wish to up the rats dose, than SWIM recommends on upping it with half a tablet(0,1mg) first, than see how it goes.

[Lehendakari]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

If your rat was already heavily sedated and nodding hard, than don't you think upping the dose with a third is a bit too much for the rat?
If you wish to up the rats dose, than SWIM recommends on upping it with half a tablet(0,1mg) first, than see how it goes.

Yeah you're right, but the rat was going to dose not too late (afternoon) and wouldn't smoke weed at all.

The rat was very sedated, but not to the point he was going to fall unconcius (i.e would stayed awake if he had to).

He felt an urge to go to sleep as if the rat had taken zolpidem or any other hypnotic.

The rat will only dose 0.5 mg next trial anyway. Thanks for the advice

[Lehendakari]

After a bit of experimentation SWIM has got to the conclusion that temgesic is not that much recreational. It's perfect if you want to spend a whole day nodding and have a relaxed feeling but it is too unpleasant moving or doing any mental effort. It also lasts too much and doesn't have much euphoria.

He enjoyed the effects but wouldn't say it's a good recreational opiate in terms of euphoria.

Note that SWIM isn't an experienced opiate user, so he can't really compare with anything other than codeine.

[Klaus]

Works very well for Swim.

[rodent]

SWIM's experience with Suboxone was with prescribed doses of 8 mg tabs sublingual 2-3 times per day. This was to taper from a large methadone habit he had acquired after his bout with oxycodone (the methadone being his biggest mistake).

He could get a slight buzz only after he had been off the methadone for quite a while and then only if the took 2 tabs at a time. He then felt guilty for even getting the buzz for he knew that behavior was only going to keep him addicted to opiates longer. The buzz was pretty much as described above, mild but finding himself in a very good mood (which was a nice break from the almost constant depression from withdrawing). He found sleep was very easy while taking the Suboxone but maybe that was because without it, he'd be cramping up and shivering all night.

SWIM says, the recreational value is limited with this one and if SWIY takes large doses, it is likely to block it's own effects as the buprenorphine is a partial antagonist. He'd really like to see people NOT abuse this one as it really is one of the best ways out there to detox from opiates of all kinds and he'd hate to see it taken away from the people who really need it. That's probably asking a lot but, that's how he feels.

[asplinteredfawn]

SWIM prescribed 2X8mg suboxone. It's not even a high it's normality for him. Like everyone said " damn I feel pretty good ".

[bavl]

swim like bupe for keeping the tolerance to full opietes at bay. Also swim finds its the best anti-depressant ever.

[dietrich]

SWIM would like to add, that after many years of opioid abuse... heroin, methedone, polamedone, oxycodone, hyrocodone, dilaudid, fetanyl, do I need to go on? Anyway, SWIM's point is that buprenorphene comes in two forms that I know of: subutex and suboxone. apparently temgesic is also a bup, anyway, back to the point... bups aren't really of any recreational value. even tho, subutex can be snorted and in higher doses ie 8mg pill sublingually (wouldn't recommend injecting subutex, serious danger of cotton fever!!! and suboxone generally should not be injected as its bound with an antagonist which will launch any serious user into a world of withdrawels like none before!) can give a bit of a buzz. but to anyone who "likes" opiates its a bit of kick, but SWIM opinion, they are for staying off of or withdrawing from other opiates and not really for recreational use.

but to each his own, give it a try should the urge hit you.

[Lehendakari]

A lab rat tried the combination of 10 mg methylphenidate and 0.2 temgesic. the rat only reports good things about this combo.

Both are very low doses, but noticeable. MPH counteracts undesired effects like sedation and discomfort when moving, and Bupre counteacts overstimulation. Good combo. Not really recreational but feels good.

[chopmow]

Temgesic most certainly does have recreational value, but only to those with little or know prior use of opiates and definatley a low - zero tolerance.

Swim used to take 3x 0.2 mg sublingually when suffering from extreme hangover after large bouts of drinking and certianly did enjoy the experiance. Where swim lives these can be purchased over the counter without prescription along with various other items of interest.

Swim often used to take these in the evening prior to going out on evenings when due to the drinking the night before swim wouldn't manage it without them. It put swim in the mood for more drinking.

Swim does not recommend drinking on any opiates and knows this to be foolish, swim acknowledges that he does many foolish things from time to time and does not need lectures on his stupidy although he would like younger lab rats to take note that his actions should not be copied under any circumstances.

[Klaus]

Swim would love to get Tems OTC

[Wyborowa]

swim is prescribed 8mg suboxone a day for swims maintenence, and swim's been plugging them for a good 7 months now....here is swims question...


Even if there is some feces in swims colon, is it OK to keep taking it anally? Usually swim waits till swim CAn take a shit, then plugs it...does plugging this long term have any adverse effects? Also, if the pill is plugged with some fecal matter in the colon, will the effects be obsolete? or will it just not be as good?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!!!

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by Wyborowa

swim is prescribed 8mg suboxone a day for swims maintenence, and swim's been plugging them for a good 7 months now....here is swims question...


Even if there is some feces in swims colon, is it OK to keep taking it anally? Usually swim waits till swim CAn take a shit, then plugs it...does plugging this long term have any adverse effects? Also, if the pill is plugged with some fecal matter in the colon, will the effects be obsolete? or will it just not be as good?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!!!

Facal matter in the colon will slow absorbtion slightly but not by much unless the tablet is pushed deep within the fecal matter but im assuming SWIY doesnt do this. Ensure that the pill is inserted at least up to the second knuckle for maximum effects as this is where the main veins are.

Plugging depending on the drug can have some long term effects but this tends not to occur with phamacological drugs that have been prepared but more street drugs that have impurities.

Hope this helped feel free to ask more.

[kizevin]

SWIM has a prescription for 6mg a day of Suboxone (Buprenorphine + naloxone). At first he felt a little bit of a nice opiate euphoria, along with nice nods. This lasted about two or three weeks. After that SWIM felt like he/she was taking an aspirin. However, SWIM does report a large positive turn of events in his/her life.