USA: Torture & LSD?

[Nagognog2]

Lawyers Show Images of Padilla in Chains

MIAMI - Still video images of alleged terror operative Jose Padilla in chains and wearing headphones and blacked-out goggles demonstrate the harsh tactics used by U.S. interrogators while he was in military custody as an "enemy combatant," his lawyers said in court papers.
The images, taken from an unclassified Defense Department video, show Padilla being chained hand and foot and led out of his cell by three guards dressed in camouflage and wearing riot helmets and visors. The video images are the first publicly released of Padilla's 3 1/2-year detention at a Navy brig in Charleston, S.C.

They were filed late Friday in federal court in Miami as part of an attempt by Padilla's lawyers to get criminal terrorism support charges against him dismissed, based on what they claim was treatment that amounted to torture while in military custody.

"The extended torture visited upon Mr. Padilla has left him damaged, both mentally and physically," Padilla lawyer Orlando do Campo said in one court filing. "The government's treatment of Mr. Padilla has robbed him of his personhood."

Existence of the filing containing the video images was first reported Monday by The New York Times. The court papers do not give details about the actual video, but The Times reported that it was made as Padilla was being taken out of his cell for dental work.

Several of his lawyers did not return e-mail and phone messages left Monday by The Associated Press. A spokeswoman for Miami U.S. Attorney R. Alexander Acosta declined comment Monday.

Padilla claims, among other things, that he was forced to stand in painful stress positions, given LSD or some other drug as a "truth serum," subjected to loud noises and noxious odors and forced to endure sleep deprivation, extreme heat and cold, and harsh lights.

Federal prosecutors and Pentagon officials have repeatedly denied that Padilla was tortured, contending in their own court filings that he was humanely treated and that the tactics used were for "safety and security" reasons.

Padilla, a 36-year-old former Chicago gang member, was declared an enemy combatant by President Bush in June 2002, shortly after he was arrested upon arrival at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport. U.S. authorities initially claimed he was on an al-Qaida mission to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb" in a U.S. city.

Amid an intense legal battle over President Bush's wartime detention powers, Padilla was transferred to civilian custody in January to face federal terrorism support charges along with two others in Miami. Trial on those charges, which do not mention the "dirty bomb" allegations, is currently scheduled to begin Jan. 22.

U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke has not yet scheduled a hearing on the torture claims.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Federal prosecutors and Pentagon officials have repeatedly denied that Padilla was tortured, contending in their own court filings that he was humanely treated and that the tactics used were for "safety and security" reasons.

So torture has been renamed to tactics.
Hallucinogens in combination with torture. It is astonishing how far the bush administration goes in using terror. Their exercising and employing terror, instead fighting terror.
Well, everything always comes back to it's source. I wouldn't want to live in the US in the next 20 years.

[skaterdienick]

this isnt surprising. swim has learned in his civil rights class from his professor who fought for civil rights during the 60's, that many of his comrads were imprisoned and when they came out were completely, psychologically destroyed from all sorts of hallucinogens forced upon them in jail. mainly lsd for experimentation and torture.

he told swim how many experienced the same psychological disorders but were in different jails. some of these include extreme paranoia and psychotic behavior such as believing the FBI had wiretaps in their house and ears. swim could not imagine what a nightmare hallucinogens in jail would be like for people that had no idea what to expect and did not willfully consume them.

[Sky Walker]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Still video images of alleged terror operative Jose Padilla in chains and wearing headphones and blacked-out goggles demonstrate the harsh tactics used by U.S. interrogators while he was in military custody as an "enemy combatant," his lawyers said in court papers.

I get the feeling that this article is actually trying to downplay the severity of the "alleged" torture. As I have highlighted in bold they mention the harsh tactics used where headphones and blacked-out goggles? Hum, although I can understand that being subjected to that kind of treatment, especially for prolonged periods, could be a horrible experience I really don't consider it to be harsh in fact of all the tactics they could employ I find this to be one of the least severe.

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

The Times reported that it was made as Padilla was being taken out of his cell for dental work.

This seems somewhat sinister, how much can they really care about a prisoners teeth? I believe this trip to the dentist could easily have been worse than sensory deprivation/stimulation.

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Padilla claims, among other things, that he was forced to stand in painful stress positions, given LSD or some other drug as a "truth serum," subjected to loud noises and noxious odors and forced to endure sleep deprivation, extreme heat and cold, and harsh lights.

It's clear that they are choosing to omit certain aspects of the torture. To get an idea of the kind of things they could possibly be withholding please have a read of the Bush administration torture action plan, it's horrifying and sickening: http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/20...htm&frame=true I really don't understand why people arn't doing anything about this, also sickening.

[Nagognog2]

Yes, under the law enacted by the House and Senate, Bush and his goons can determine what constitutes torture. If they say that shoving red-hot pokers up a baby's asshole isn't torture - then it's not. And there is no accountabilty or redress. Now the president, alone, will decide what is/isn't torture.

Seig Heil!

[Sky Walker]

Nagognog, as you are very intelligent could you please explain to me why the Americans are allowing themselves to come under the rule of a dictatorship?

[Nagognog2]

Originally Posted by Sky Walker

Nagognog, as you are very intelligent could you please explain to me why the Americans are allowing themselves to come under the rule of a dictatorship?

After some introspection, many Germans who lived through the Hitler/Nazi years were able to agree what was the most glaring problem with their society that allowed this to happen: "The German people are too obedient." That was the synopsis in the proverbial nutshell. But there were many other factors that could/should be entered into the equation if one wishes to analyize such to look for warning signs to attempt to prevent a repeat in any given culture.

The same holds true in the USA. A simplistic answer could be concluded such as: "The American people are too stupid." But this doesn't go far enough to explain the nuts and bolts of the situation. Hence any legitamite attempt at rendering a hypothesis can't be answered here. It would be a massive tome that would/will be argued over for centuries.

Until then I'll suffice with: "The American people are too stupid."

[Darksanity]

Originally Posted by Sky Walker

Nagognog, as you are very intelligent could you please explain to me why the Americans are allowing themselves to come under the rule of a dictatorship?

I was asking myself the same thing...

[Trebor]

The U.S., in my opinion has began what could be compared to, literally, Hitlers Germany. Come on, once the pass the Maycomb laws it'll be the same thing.

[Nature Boy]

Roughing someone up on LSD, cruel stuff! Unfortunately most people who will hear about this news have no idea how horrific that experience would be. That's right up there with getting the soles of your feet continually hit with bamboo shoots for several days non-stop.

[darawk]

The american people are swayed mostly by something called linguistic framing. The repitition of those stupid phrases that Bush and his cronies keep parrotting off is no accident.

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/01/int04003.html

Combine that with the exploitation of the PC culture and conservative influence on organized religion and you've got a population that you can mold into anything you want.

[Bajeda]

Bloody hell.... typed out a fairly long post to supplement Nagognog's answer to Sky Walker's question when my internet kicked it. Will try writing it again tomorrow.

[snapper]

People in the US are kept working and distracted by big TVs, videogames and other wastes of time so that they don't pay attention. the few smart ones who do and say anything are fringe types which are dismissed or stigmatized.
Americans are too complacent, fat, lazy and stupid for any organized rebellion, which at this point would be the only thing to take down George W. Bush's puppetmaster's fascist state. Keep a pacifier in fat american mouths and they will not be able to protest around all the drool dripping down their greasy triple chins...

[Sky Walker]

Originally Posted by snapper

Americans are too complacent, fat, lazy and stupid for any organized rebellion, which at this point would be the only thing to take down George W. Bush's puppetmaster's fascist state.

I don't know if anything can stop the Bush administration, I know that sounds awfully dire but don't you think it's got to the stage where, even if they were organized and motivated enough Bush would just declare protesters as enemies of the state/terrorists and declare marshal law. I'm not totally sure about the workings of it all but I think it's not too far fetched to assume that, you'll be living under the rule of a full blown dictatorship if a terrorist attack happens or if there is a rebellion, uprising or resistance of any kind. Soon you won't even be able to leave your country without clearance, http://sianews.com/modules.php?name=...ticle&sid=3023

[Nature Boy]

Organized rebellion against what exactly? Bush may be in power but voting can easily change that. The recent elections proved this. Although I agree in that a large quantity of Americans don't have a clue about politics, and there are a lot of voting conservatives out there, liberals can make their voices heard in 2008. Fuck it, it's not Nazi Germany yet.

[Sky Walker]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Fuck it, it's not Nazi Germany yet.

Yes, not yet but they have two years and they are moving in leaps and bounds.

[Nature Boy]

Have a little faith man. People were saying the same thing about Reagan in the 80s. Politics will come full circle again but ultimately it will be the same old mammy and daddy two party bullshit. No it's not the end of the world, it's the same as it's always been only instead of a cold war we now have some stupid conflict in the Middle East that simply cannot be resolved and eventually it will be given up on and some new shit will surface.

[Sky Walker]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Have a little faith man.

I have a little, but that is it. One single "terrorist" attack on U.S soil within the next two years = Bush declaring marshal law and effectively becoming a Dictator. I feel faith may be all that's left. Do you not see a "terrorist" attack happening within the next two years?

[Nature Boy]

I'll eat my hat if a burning building causes a country the area of nearly four million square miles to fall under martial law. The only thing capable of creating such a scenario is a nuclear attack.

[Trebor]

Sorry Nat, but I think the U.S. would be easily willing to accept Martial Law. My Aunt and her Yugoslavian husband voted for Bush (oh the shame). And they're both very intelligent people, her husband was involved in the anti-nazi movement in Yugoslavia and he even treked across Europe to getto Ireland. (Don't ask me why, I'd have stopped at Monte Carlo.)

[Sky Walker]

Originally Posted by Trebor

Sorry Nat, but I think the U.S. would be easily willing to accept Martial Law.

That's the thing you see, no one has to accept it. At the drop of a hat (that Liam will be eating, I will even venture south to witness this event ) Bush can just decide to declare a "public emergency" which is just double speak for "Martial law" and I'm pretty sure this public emergency could easily be, a small threat, a self inflicted threat or even an imaginary threat, what ever, it will be Bush's call and no one can do shit about it.


"This has now changed. Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122), was signed by President Bush on October 17th, 2006, and allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial...tes_of_America

[Trebor]

So, he now has more power then Hitler did, and this man claimed to have been doing what God told him.

[Nagognog2]

Hitler formed a state religion also - which supported his policies and excluded all other ideologies. It wasn't just the Jews that Hitler hated.

Considering the number of reports from people who went to church and were told to vote for Bush, or get out and burn in Hell, I find little difference. Hitler used the Jews as his scapegoat for all things evil. Bush is using gays and women who might want an abortion.

[angeliclight]

SWIM reads a lot about conspiracy theories. One of the best author's SWIM found is David Icke. He has written a lot of information about how the U.S government dumped a lot of LSD into flower power communities during the 60's and 70's. The next drug they introduced in large quantities was cocaine. First to impoverished communities where drug dealing was becoming popular, and then to wealthy communities where people had the cash and loved playing around. LSD imparticular was utilized in mind control experiments like MK-ULTRA. Here's a link that might be useful: http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/gall.html
Unfortuantely, without their knowledge, huge numbers of service men and women have been used in these experiments as well. This is another good source of information. The one thing to remember is you can't believe EVERYTHING...but you'll find the things that make total:
http://www.skeptic.com/ sense (Not sure why this didn't show up as a direct link. This is a link directly related to these mind control programs. It's the story of Cathy O'Brien. I won't implicate myself by listing the names of government officials involved but you can find a number of them in her book the Trance-Formation of America. http://www.trance-formation.com/ I've just ordered that so I haven't much more to pass on than what is in David Icke's book, The Biggest Secret. I would suggest also his book, Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster. LSD, Cocaine, and heroin is very much involved.

Oh and btw, David Icke and his family have personally been threatened by an unknown but suspected group. "They" are threatening to pull all of his work out of circulation. SWIM has to say that when SWIM read his books, and studies information from different sources the hair stands up on the back of SWIM's neck. He has helped to expose the Illuminati, and the Freemason's darkest secrets. SWIM is scared to let anyone know SWIM is reading them. Here is a link to his website as well: http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/

LSD is definitely a drug to stay away from. SWIM tried it once years ago and realized how easy it would be for SWIM to be taken advantage of by numerous forces.

[Darksanity]

Originally Posted by angeliclight

LSD is definitely a drug to stay away from. SWIM tried it once years ago and realized how easy it would be for SWIM to be taken advantage of by numerous forces.

What do you mean?