Health - LSD and Epilepsy

[geOba]

SWIM is about 28 years old. Since a few weeks he is suffering epilepticus. Now he is waiting for the diagnose to know which kind of epilepticus he suffers. Is it possible that the epilepticus has been caused by frequently using Lsd over the last years? SWIM also has done other substances in his life, but the last years he is mostly experimenting with lsd. He also smokes a lot of weed. About 2 grams a day...

tnx 3ö

[Nagognog2]

There has never been any linkage between LSD and the development of seizure disorders - though myths (urban legends) to this effect have been in circulation since the 1960's. Neither has cannabis been so implicated.

[Alfa]

Hallucinogens in general lower the seizure treshold. Seizures in general can increase the risk on further seizures. Hallucinogens do not cause epilepsy. However when epilepsy is diagnosed, one should steer clear of hallucinogens.
For more information, please use the search engine as there are some very informative threads on the subject.

[geOba]

tnx man...

Do you believe it's safe for SWIM to keep on using LSD by occasions?? Once in three months for example. Mostly SWIM takes a rather low dosage (Maximum something like 1 blotter). Not being able to trip any longer would be very hard for SWIM, while acid is his little "problem child" ...

[geOba]

ok, tnx alfa.. i didn t see your post while i was writing my second one. So the best for SWIM is to stop using any hallucinogens ???
I will do further research by using the search engine ...

[Alfa]

Yes, that is best. Using hallucinogens means risking more seizures, which means risking increasing the level of seizures.

[Launcelot]

The internet isin't very clear as to whether or not LSd is considered something that makes someone more prone to seizure who is already prone to having them.


I had a random seizure a few weeks ago. It turns out it was probably caused by a benign tumor they found in my brain. My question is is there any logical reason LSD would make me me more prone to having another seizure, assuming that I'm already prone to seizures whether their from the tumor or not.

[Hyperspaceblastoff]

yes they do

[Jatelka]

Quite. If one has a focus for abnormal electrical activity (ie: brain lesion, of any sort) then taking ANYTHING which may lower seizure threshold is going to carry more risk than if there was no lesion.

Bear in mind that LSD has stimulant properties, therefore potentially has the risk to lower seizure threshold. It can also cause temperature control issues (also potentially lowering seizure threshold). Anxiety/stress can also predispose to seizure activity, so drugs which could induce such should also be avoided.

[Nebiro]

Swim will soon get his hands on a liquid LSD vial.

He really wants his friend to try it with him. The thing is, his friend has epilepsy (Grand Mal).

His friend has done psilocybin (up to 3 grams), ketamine (up to 0.1g), dmt (enough to have a mild breakthrough), and a low dose of pure mdma (approx. 100 mg). He also drinks alcohol sometimes and smokes weed every day.

What would be the dangers of taking LSD (assuming it's not a DOx or 5-meo-AMT).

I'd also like to know if 2c-b and mescaline is dangerous with epilepsy (sorry, don't want to open another new thread for this question).

[ReAlitY-HoLds-NonE]

SWIM always thought that epilepsy was photosensative, so in theory, SWIY's friend shouldnt have any difficulty as any lights that occur during a trip are usually perceived rather than actual. Although SWIM is shooting in the dark, surely SWIY's friend should know whether its real flashing lights or something such as a perceived amount of flashing lights.. hopefully SWIY's friend is in the clear

[Jatelka]

RHN: Some forms of epilepsy ARE photosensitive, very few in fact. Suggesting that someone with epilepsy "shouldn't have any difficulty" is seriously naive and potentially dangerous advice

LSD is a stimulant, stimulant drugs reduce seizure threshold, and increase risk of seizure. LSD can also induce temperature changes, again, which reduce seizure threshold. Quite apart from anxiety (also sometimes LSD induced), which again, can trigger seizure activity.

I cannot recommend that ANYONE with epilepsy take a risk with psychostimulants. They may be fine, they may have a seizure and get anoxic brain damage. Worth it?

[Desertfox]

SWIM Has enjoyed both lsd and mushrooms. but swim has had an occurence on mushrooms where he passed out and his girlfriend told him he was on the ground seizuring. There is no medical evidence that suggests mushrooms cause siezures but swim had something hapeen to him that in all accounts point to it being a seizure. Swim has never had a seizure in his life before and it was a very strange experience, and felt like complete shit afterwards. Nothing like this has ever occured or come close to occuring while under the influence of LSD to SWIM. ISHO, he feels much safer buying a ticket to the LSD trip than a ticket to fungi town but everyone's body is built differently so the same may not go for SWIY.

[Panthers007]

Bongo has seen/experienced a full-blown Kundalini while using various psychedelics. This can be interpreted as a seizure by inexperienced observers. But if one were prone to seizures due to epilepsy or other causes, this could complicate matters greatly. Listen to Jatelka!

[Hyperspaceblastoff]

swim saw his friend have a Kundalini when he took 1 blotter
he thought it was lsd but later told me it turned out to be 5-meo-amt
drugs lower siezure threshold
its a bummer
be careful

[Nebiro]

Swim doesn't have a lot of experience with LSD. He knows way more about other psychedelic like mushrooms and DMT.

Is LSD that much of a stimulant? I mean...is it way more stimulant than an energy drink?

Swim's friend hasn't have any seizure for maybe 2 years, and he has done lots of drugs a lot of times since then.

And Panthers, can you please explain what a Kundalini is? I think Swim experienced it a couple of times if it's what I think.

[Samadhi]

Originally Posted by Nebiro

Swim doesn't have a lot of experience with LSD. He knows way more about other psychedelic like mushrooms and DMT.

Is LSD that much of a stimulant? I mean...is it way more stimulant than an energy drink?

Swim's friend hasn't have any seizure for maybe 2 years, and he has done lots of drugs a lot of times since then.

And Panthers, can you please explain what a Kundalini is? I think Swim experienced it a couple of times if it's what I think.

LSD is a stimulant in some respects and Swim highly advises against combining 5-HT2A receptor agonists with any mental disorder, no matter how dormant the condition is. Swim has had friends who have had seizures on LSD who have mild forms of epilepsy. Swim was not there to smack the supplier around but swiy gets my point right?

Listen to panthers007 and jatelka, they know what they're doing.

[Nebiro]

I may be wrong, but isn't LSD an 5-HT2A "agonist" and not antagonist?

Mushrooms are also a 5-HT2A agonist, and Swim's friend's neurologist told him mushrooms were no problem with epilepsy (but that he should avoid alcohol, coffee, and energy drinks...and Swim's friend still take them with no problems).

Swim knows he shouldn't insist that much...

I guess Swim's friend should ask his neurologist about it.

[Samadhi]

sorry, late night spelling mistake, it's edited now. Still sticking to the point that if swiy combines LSD with a mental disorder bad things could happen, the best course of action is one swiy's stated they will do; see a neurologist and figure it out.

once the doc gives swiy a definite answer of yes or no he can base the experiences or lack of, from there.

If the doc comes back and says it's a go, start very small and work up to a high dose and make sure your mind is comfortable.

[Panthers007]

A Kundalini is so named as it is a form of Yoga, as well as a physical reaction that heralds enlightenment.

It starts as though a cool fire(yes, it's an oxymoron) were coiling around the base of the spine at the coccyx. This "serpents breath"(envisioned by Hindi practioners as two snakes* wrapping themselves around the spine from two opposite directions) then rises through the 6 chakras(energy centers of the body - also used in acupuncture and acupressure - Google): Coccyx, groin, stomach, heart, throat, third-eye in forehead. Then, finally, out of the top of the head.

During this the person will be bolt-upright. Their body will shiver and tremble visibly. Their eyes will roll upwards in their head. They may utter strange sounds and/words. As this is going on, their mind's eye opens and they view the "Dance of the Universe" where all things become clear(enlightenment). Cosmic consciousness is achieved.

To the outside observer with no knowledge of Kundalini - it may be assumed the person is having a seizure.


* This has been likened to the structure of DNA.

[LLCoOoLJ]

Swim and his girlfriend have taken high doses of LSD many of times. Recently, they dropped about 4 blotters (not unusual for them), and both oddly enough fell asleep. I know, hard to believe. They were both in different rooms and reported to have been awaken by what felt like a very quick abrupt seizure. As the girlfriend described, "she had been hit with a bolt of lightning." Swim would say it was like he woke up out of a deep sleep in shock and his whole body was shivering/shaking for only approximately 5 seconds. Was this extreme coincidence of Kundalini or something completely different? Note that the blotters consumed were left over from a previous time and neither had experienced this before.

[Panthers007]

Possible, but there is no way to know such. Maybe next time SWIM & Co. should invite a Buddhist Lama to observe? But such feelings are noted by many who have had the experience.

One of the best my mean 'ol Lab Ape - Bongo - had was quite similar. But they also saw each other changing sexes back and forth and new faces would pop in. Rather like a history of reincarnations?

Who knows. At least it wasn't a seizure.

[Nebiro]

During his experiences with Psilocybin, SWIM as experienced many times something euhm...special.

SWIM would closes his eyes and completely dissociate from his body, and hear an overwhelming buzzing sound coming in waves. He would also see an infinite white light and his entire body would begin shaking (or maybe this was only in his head, since he didn't really feel his body. This "feeling" only appeared for 3 seconds. SWIM thinks that if he learnt to stop fearing this "white light", he could stay there longer and explore.

Nebiro added 1 Minutes and 16 Seconds later...

But he also fear that this may cause a seizure, or that this is in fact a short seizure...