Lyophilized (Purified) Kratom Extract

[Smarthead]

Here is the promotional text of Thai Lyophilized Kratom Extract:

This pure Thai Lyophilized Kratom Extract is made by an organic ethanol extraction process and then it is carefully filtered to remove virtually all the impurities such as fats, oil and chlorophyll. At that point the Lyophilized Kratom Extract is taken one step further and is Lyophilized which removes virtually ALL of the moisture thus producing by weight the PUREST and STRONGEST natural Kratom Extract’s available!!
Through the lyophilized process the extract produced becomes a dry crystal like ebony powder which of course is much easier to work with.



Has any SWIM's tried this extract? How good is it? The idea of having a purer extract appeals to me.
Please describe your experience and how do you rate Thai Lyophilized Kratom Extract?

[Alfa]

Does anyone know the dose and quality of Thai Lyophilized Kratom Extract?

Any experiences with this?

[Bajeda]

Swim picked some of this up he believes, it sounds the same except "Purified" is substituted for "Lyophilized". This is a bit confusing to swim, as the words don't mean the same thing to him. Purification is one thing, but Lyophilization is used for preservation purposes for the most part I thought? In any case the extract looks as described.

Swim heard rumours of a three gram dose for a good experience, but he has to try it himself before he will relay anything conclusive to me as he doesn't know how intense/pleasureable said experience would be.

He will definitely report when he gives the extract a try though.

[enquirewithin]

It would be appear to be more expensive than the alleged '15x' and perhaps related in some way? Still, it might be worth investigating.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

It would be appear to be more expensive than the alleged '15x' and perhaps related in some way? Still, it might be worth investigating.

When you lyophilize something you dry freeze it, so it is better preserved. Also you get less plant waste, so I'd imagine its possible to have less side effects, or maybe its simply less material to gulp.

AllYourBase I'm not sure what you are talking about in regards to lyophilized Kratom being cheap and effective. Lyophilization is a somewhat expensive process. Maybe what is being sold in many cases is another type of resin that was only lyophilized in name?

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

When you lyophilize something you dry freeze it, so it is better preserved. Also you get less plant waste, so I'd imagine its possible to have less side effects, or maybe its simply less material to gulp.

In SWIM's opinion, it's more likely the latter. Kratom vendors love advertising "less nausea" through removing this or that, but SWIM's experience has been that it's the actives that cause nausea, not the inactives. Thus making a lot of that extra processing just reasons for kratom vendors to charge more money for what amounts to the same thing.

Originally Posted by axiomcrux

A couple weeks back SWIM took 0.25 grams of Full spectrum extract, I wish I could say the price (a bit expensive but well worth it comparing it to a pill of Ex) and where SWIM got it but I cant find the sources forum. anyways It was incredible, one of the most intense experiences SWIM has had on Kratom, nay any substance! Akin to the strength and feeling of oxy or morphine, pretty intense nausea though, SWIM thought he was going to puke every time he moved. I almost don't want to say where SWIM got it so that they dont run out :P

Well now how would THAT be worth it? SWIM can duplicate this experience (indeed has) with bog standard Bali crushed leaf... you just use quite a lot more than usual. Same thing... intense euphoria along with horrendous nausea, with eventually the latter taking over. That's why kratom is a poor choice ISO if strong euphoria is the most desired effect -- better look to opiates to provide that. Kratom *can*, but at the risk of such nausea, dizziness and seasickness that one finds themselves praying for death to strike quickly.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

In SWIM's opinion, it's more likely the latter. Kratom vendors love advertising "less nausea" through removing this or that, but SWIM's experience has been that it's the actives that cause nausea, not the inactives. Thus making a lot of that extra processing just reasons for kratom vendors to charge more money for what amounts to the same thing.

Swim tried his lyophilized Kratom extract, though he didn't get around to writing up something for this thread. Wasn't especially much to report anyways.

Effects were solid, but not very strong either. Around 2x would sound right for the strength of the extract. There was very little taste to it whatsoever and there was no nausea at all. Thats about all there is to say.

[JinxedSoul]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Swim tried his lyophilized Kratom extract, though he didn't get around to writing up something for this thread. Wasn't especially much to report anyways.

Effects were solid, but not very strong either. Around 2x would sound right for the strength of the extract. There was very little taste to it whatsoever and there was no nausea at all. Thats about all there is to say.

Swim, has 1.6g of this stuff would that be enough for his first time? what dose did SWIY take?

[allyourbase]

lyophized just means that the moisture has been removed. two promonent vendors have always sold this as the only resin they carry. its cheap and effective. dose is usually two grams or so.

[JinxedSoul]

Swim got 1.6g of this stuff and through his research has heard its 1-3g per dose. He wants to take his 1.6g tomorrow but not sure how to consume it. Just swollow it like pills, make tea, or smoke it.

[axiomcrux]

A couple weeks back SWIM took 0.25 grams of Full spectrum extract, I wish I could say the price (a bit expensive but well worth it comparing it to a pill of Ex) and where SWIM got it but I cant find the sources forum. anyways It was incredible, one of the most intense experiences SWIM has had on Kratom, nay any substance! Akin to the strength and feeling of oxy or morphine, pretty intense nausea though, SWIM thought he was going to puke every time he moved. I almost don't want to say where SWIM got it so that they dont run out :P

[Alfa]

In SWIM's opinion, it's more likely the latter. Kratom vendors love advertising "less nausea" through removing this or that, but SWIM's experience has been that it's the actives that cause nausea, not the inactives.

I disagree. Commercial kratom with a dose of 15 grams, makes SWIM and his friends nauseous, while potent leaf with a dose around 5 grams does not make them nauseous. For this reason SWIM prefers to go for either potent leaf or a kratom extract. SWIM sees no reason to ingest inactives if not needed.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Alfa

I disagree. Commercial kratom with a dose of 15 grams, makes SWIM and his friends nauseous, while potent leaf with a dose around 5 grams does not make them nauseous.

Are you sure the doses of actives are nearly the same? With "15x extract" coming out to be more like 2x commercial, I wonder what this 'potent leaf' ends up as... possibly about the same potency as commercial? If it were, SWIY and friends would also be getting almost triple the potency with 15g commercial vs. 5g other leaf.

SWIM has honestly not found anything much more potent by weight than the quality commercial grade leaf being sold these days. Except the 15x extract, which as mentioned is maybe twice as strong.

Anyway, SWIM will accept it's probably true for SWIY/friends... everyone's different, and it happens SWIM has an "iron stomach" for stuff like kratom plant matter. But he believes it more likely (in more cases) the actives are what really cause nausea for people.

[axiomcrux]

HAS SWIY ever done oxy? I don't think there are many ways to obtain that level of high without intense nausea (not to mention no withdrawl), but please tell me otherwise!!!!!

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

Anyway, SWIM will accept it's probably true for SWIY/friends... everyone's different, and it happens SWIM has an "iron stomach" for stuff like kratom plant matter. But he believes it more likely (in more cases) the actives are what really cause nausea for people.

SWIM also has a strong stomach, and doesn't eat enough kratom to get very nauseous, but he was wondering if, as with opiates, if the nausea passes after you empty your stomach?

[Alfa]

What dose did SWIY take?