Opinions - Herbal relaxers comparision.

[Alfa]

Please compare relaxing smart products here.

[Nicaine]

MRM Relax-All:

Serving size 4 Capsules
* Calcium 500mg (4% RDA)
* Magnesium 250mg (63% RDA)

"MyoCalm" Proprietary Blend 1,810 mg:
* Jujube (2% jujubosides)
* Beta-phenyl-gamma-aminobutyric acid (Phenibut)
* Magnolia Bark (2% honokiol & magnolol)
* SunTheanineTM (L-Theanine)
* Valerian Root (1% valernic acids)

SWIM finds that four capsules provide a nice, relaxing nootropic effect (more than four add little to the experience). Basically there are few noticeable effects unless the user has some anxiety, in which case the anxiety is effectively cancelled. The product also seems to help with sleep deprivation, producing a lucid/aware and nondrowsy state under such conditions.

SWIM has not consciously noted the product 'wearing off'. Phenibut dose with 4 capsules is fairly low, but it's probably still not a good idea to use this product longer than 5 days consecutively (as recommended on the bottle).

[JumpinJackFlash]

Valarian Root is the only thing I use, about 4 450mg capsules usually does the trick (recommended 1-2) although 6 knocks you straight out within an hour. It's basically herbal valium I guess. But has a downside, it smells like old socks! also take it with the intention of going to sleep, i.e. don't say to yourself "ooh I wonder what it feels like" coz then you wont sleep and its effects will pass. Also save it for when you REALLY can't sleep, dont do it every night because you get a tollerance, which I found out, so yeah particularly nasty comedowns and 5 in the morning only!

[Tortoise]

Originally Posted by JumpinJackFlash

Valarian Root is the only thing I use, about 4 450mg capsules usually does the trick (recommended 1-2) although 6 knocks you straight out within an hour. It's basically herbal valium I guess. But has a downside, it smells like old socks! also take it with the intention of going to sleep, i.e. don't say to yourself "ooh I wonder what it feels like" coz then you wont sleep and its effects will pass. Also save it for when you REALLY can't sleep, dont do it every night because you get a tollerance, which I found out, so yeah particularly nasty comedowns and 5 in the morning only!

He's right. It really does fuckin stink!

[sterling77]

Originally Posted by Tortoise

He's right. It really does fuckin stink!

Lol YES it stinks horribly. One time, many years ago back in early high school, swim smoked out four of his friends one day after school. They all promised to smoke with him the next day, as they all had some at home and he was smoking his last bits with them. Well, come next school day not one of them did.

Swim was pissed and brought a joint the day after, rolled with weed and an emptied valerian cap. That shit smelled gross. "Man you gotta check out this weed..it's pretty funky." When they were about to smoke it swim came up with something lame, where he had to leave. "Don't worry guys..I guess just smoke it without me."

The next day they all had something to say..one of them was pissed and sure it had been tampered with. He thought of worse things than it really was though, such as swim squeezing wet gym socks over the bud. The others didn't know what to think, and one was behind swim all the way, "that was some really funky bud."

Edit: this is more funny to those who've smelled valerian before.

[razorwiredildo]

Swim has found that Benzo Berries works fairly well.
Swim and his friend got a some about a year ago. His friend took more than swim did and he reported trouble walking and making sense of things and an overall feeling of relaxation. When swim did it, he didn't take as much, but he definately felt relaxed and sedated with a slight stoning feeling.
When he went to sleep he was able to get into the opiate-like nodding state, which was nice.
The next day he woke up very groggy with an uncomfortable feeling in his muscles.
The ingrediants as listed by the site are
5-HTP extract 10X, Pheneproaloxamine, Valerian Root Extract 10X, Wild Berry extract 10X, Kava Kava extract 10X and Bioperine.

Swim believes that the kava does most of the work as the powder made his mouth go completely numb.
Swim says that it is a decent product and he was a bit surprised.

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by razorwiredildo

The ingrediants as listed by the site are
5-HTP extract 10X, Pheneproaloxamine, Valerian Root Extract 10X, Wild Berry extract 10X, Kava Kava extract 10X and Bioperine.

Wild Berry extract could be anything, judging by the fact Benzo berries are generally sold alongside Red Dawn etc, I wouldn,t be surprised if they are in fact a synthetic chemical.

Pheneproaloxamine does not exist outside of this product.

[MacBeth]

I have a magnolia tree outside, I have stripped off some of the bark, and I can pick a flower. What I'm not sure of is how to prepare it. Do you dry the bark for tea or put it in your pipe and smoke it? The flower is really a wild looking thing, particularly the seed pod. Again, how do you prepare it? I don't ever buy capsules because I don't trust what inside.

[vcdman]

this is what SWIM uses at home when needed:

This is a drink to use to aid in sedation/relaxant
You need 30g of blue lotus
15g passionflower
10g skullcap
5g hop
1.5 bottles white wine (sweet tastes better)
(also add approx 100ml vodka to raise alc level to prevent
damage to wine from macerated herbs)

Soak in wine for at least 3 weeks shaking hard daily

Then just strain and drink.

1 glass to relax 2-3 to sleep....

[searchfunction]

i was under the impression kava kava is illegal for internal use in the uk. plus you should be careful of using kava extract, there have been reports of liver damage and if you google it, some people are speculating the liver damage is only occuring with solvent extracts from non root parts of the plant

[leadcoffin]

My priestess tried 5-htp but was not fond of the result. While reports are of appetite loss, her hunger was amplified. May as well smoke a bowl.
One thing she has recommended to me but I have not yet tried is a tea/smoke blend to promote vivid dreams containing (aherm):
Calea Zacatechichi, a rare African Dream Herb (not sure what that is), Blue Vervain, Wild Lettuce, and California Poppy
She says it tastes like brussels sprouts but is very relaxing.

[Ontherooftops]

Swim once took a product called "Blue Lagoon". It had a very mild, sedating effect. Nothing else, just sedation. It was pretty useless really, valerian is probably more euphoric, if swiy could call it that, and it certainly had no real anxiolytic properties. Swim thinks he was more stressed out by its terrible value than calmed by its effect.

A combination of self-prepared encapsulated extracts of l. virosa (opium lettuce) and Kava kava creates a pleasant sedation for swim.

Ones daily value of magnesium in one sitting seems to clear ones head and lower ones stress level for a moment as well.

[tryptamaster]

calea is not that rare. swim lives in the southeast U.S. and it grows widly here.

[Lobsang]

SWIM took Benzo Berries years ago and they were quite strong and worked well. But the thing is that one of the ingredients does not exist any where in reality. It is a term they made up. So one does not know what they are taking. This should be avoided. But they certainly did work well.

[Richard_smoker]

hmm... benzo berries!? Lobsang, is that made by those same assholes who were responsible for your Recommended Daily Allowance of "Indian Bromide?"

Thank GOD for that company! so refreshing to think about THEM and then think for a moment about--oh, let's just say--the Pharmaceutical Lobby (and how brilliantly they "discovered" such drugs as Ambien CR, Adderall XR, and Lexapro...just as their patents on the "older" drug is about to EXPIRE...What is the common thread in all these "discoveries"? ALL 3 DRUGS ARE THE EXACT SAME DRUG THEY DISCOVERED 10 YEARS AGO ...yup, 100% E-X-A-C-T same, unchanged active ingredients!

oh and also, I like to look at Wal-Mart as well as the U.S. Government/Militia and Guantanimo Bay while we're reflecting so positively!
-DICK

[roadkill barbie]

lol- yeah that company seem to have convinced quite a few that lexapro is actually a deluxe refined version of the old version,,,dicks.

Valerian root in capsules gets my vote,,,calms are ok but better for getting thru a stressfull day as sleeping. Camomile tea with honeys great to

[Frost og Taake]

SWIM has done a few legal highs. Wild opium lettuce and shaman trance (passionflower and other various herbs) Both are crap. Don't waste your money, if you want a legal high, SWIM says Salvia, but only in 20 plus times. Anything below for SWIM does not even work.

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[maletwickenham]

Originally Posted by Frost og Taake

SWIM has done a few legal highs. Wild opium lettuce and shaman trance (passionflower and other various herbs) Both are crap. Don't waste your money, if you want a legal high, SWIM says Salvia, but only in 20 plus times. Anything below for SWIM does not even work.

Swim agrees with the Wild opium. he did not have much effect if any. where as salvia Swim had to catch his mate falling because he collapsed on Salvia 40x.

Swim did 3 joints of Calea zacatechichi and felt very relaxed if not quite stoned. Swim would say that is a underrated drug.

[sturdychinfilms]

has anyone ever tried the super caps product "Slow Down" they say it is suppose to be like an opiate. very curius.

[Frost og Taake]

Originally Posted by sturdychinfilms

has anyone ever tried the super caps product "Slow Down" they say it is suppose to be like an opiate. very curius.

Does "slow down" contain a list of ingredients? You should reaserch each ingrediant if it does. SWIM has personally read dozens of legal highs that state that their effect they are similar to that of opiates. None of them have worked and the general statement of "like an opiate" leaves the effects produced wide open. For example thebaine alone does not seem to produce too much of a seek able effect (in SWIMS opinion of course). So if "slow downs" effects are similar to that, then to SWIM it seems like a waste. If you want SWIMs personal advice. Look into research chemecials and see if they seem appealing. SWIM can honestly say many of them work splendadly.

[godskitchen]

This is a relaxing herbal tea:

• 2 teaspoonsful powdered kava
• 1 quart water
• generous pinch lemon balm
• generous pinch of clove
• generous pinch basil
• pinch valerian
• pinch hops
• a few St John's wort flowers
• lemon juice and peel
• stevia (to sweeten if desired)

In a suitable sized container place the kava leaves and add the freshly boiled water. Add to this the lemon balm, clove, basil, valerian, hops and St John's wort. Allow this to stand for 15-20 minutes Add the lemon juice and peel and sweeten if desired.
Drink the mixture three times per day. Refrigerate the left over so that it can be used later.