Other - Making the Best of a Holiday in Amsterdam

[Pot Head Pixie]

My wife and I will be in Amsterdam for a week soon (a holiday we've been expecting for...). I have taken a lot of acid (and xtc)in my life, but I have'nt done any serious acid for years. My wife has done acid only a few times, and it wasn't very strong.
We would like to try mushrooms this time, and my question is: can we do it several times during that week ? (Of course after that we will not have access to mushrooms anyway...) Will it be allright if we do it 3 times ? Is the tolerance thing significant for that matter ? We consider trying some Peyote or San Pedro (instead of doing mushrooms again)... Will it be possible ? Is it ready to be taken straight after it is bought ?

I apologize for asking so many questions...
thanks

[thatwassoreal]

Tolerance is really significant, I looked at it myself, and some websites were throwing around some figures, that you have to eat twice as much to get the same effect if youve done it in the last 24 hours. Im not sure how true that is, but ideally you should wait at least a day between trips. And yeah, you can take them straight after you buy them, just eat them and try and ignore the taste and not be sick.

[Alfa]

If you wait 24 hours, you still need a big dose to reach the same effect. The nasty thing is that it interferes with the effect of other psychedelics like san pedro and peyote as well. i.e. When you use salvia just a few days prior to psilocybe mushrooms, chances are that you will not get a good effect from the magic mushrooms, because of the cross-tolerance. In cases like this it's handy to have a backup stash at hand. I've seen people consuming massive doses of magic mushrooms, because they had build up a tolerance for psilocybe mushrooms after multiple trips.

[Woodman]

Pot Head Pixie.



Please don't make drug use a central part of your visit. There is so much more that you could explore.



The Netherlands has a rich history that almost demands your attention.



Please consider this before you relegate the highlight of your vacation to a series of drug trips.

[Pot Head Pixie]

Thanks for replying...

woodman, even if I wanted to make the visit drug-oriented, my wife wouldn't let this happen...

Anyway, I can see why you got that impression, butthat's not really the case...


It's just that I hardly ever use any drugs in my daily life (and that's including not smoking, not even cigarretes...), although I have been a heavy drug user in my early twenties, so I am looking forward to do some psychedelics, and I do wish to plan it carefully.

I'm positive that Amsterdam is far too lovely to be seen only in a "stoned" or "Tripping" state of mind.

Our plan is actually to trip once, in the beginning of the holiday, and once againtowards the end. We also intend to smoke in the evenings/nights, but not before that. We don't like to be stoned all day long, and there are plenty of places to go to and a lot of exciting stuff to see...

[ganja420]

Yea, amsterdam is a great place and all to visit but c'mon.. if you're a tourist in amsterdam you most likely have one purpose at hand: to get fuckered upits not a bad thing, I mean why not site see while you're tripping you know? make it a fun expierence. Im going there next summer I hope... its gonna be sweet. I cant wait.


POT HEAD PIXIE: be sure to let us know how your vacation went and tell us about all of the amazing stuff that you "saw.."


peace, dan

[Fantasian]

Soon SWIM will be travelling to amsterdam for his brothers Stag weekend, SWIM plans to consume enough to give him two big trips while he is over there. SWIM is pretty experienced with drugs in general and has done mushrooms quite a few times before. However all the shrooms SWIM has done have been homegrown never from amsterdam. SWIM expects that the amsterdam shrooms will be quite alot stronger than what he's used to. SWIM doesnt however want to start on a low dose and get a mild trip. SWIM is staying there for 4 days, and is likely to be smoking cannabis on the days he isnt tripping.

Any advice on shroom type/name or dosage or on how to spread out the trips would be appriciated.

Thanks alot

(P.s. no specifics to atual shops due to the rules, Thanks)

[GDxCAT]

Why would you assume mushrooms from amsterdam are stronger.

that seems a little silly to me. The potency of the mushroom depends on the species it is, not where you buy it/ where it was grown.

Anyway, i think the package or perhaps the person selling you the mushrooms will tell you how much you need to take.

Im not sure how you would fit 2 strong trips into 4 days. I guess take it every other day. Or on the first day and the last day.

i dont recomend you do this though.

Have 1 strong trip and that should be enough to last u months of integrating the experience.

anyway, have fun in amsterdam.
peace.

[Nature Boy]

Yeah two trips in four days just isn't going to work. Even if you did them the first and last night I'm pretty sure the tolerance from the first trip would completely nullify the second trip unless of course you ate way more mushrooms which isn't always the most pleasant experience. Do the mushrooms once, and if you're an experienced tripper give the Copelandia Cyanescens a go because they're rare outside Hawaii and are really the ultimate magic mushroom.

[Alfa]

If SWIY can get his hands on Psilocybe McKennai mushrooms, that would certainly be a treat. Note the spelling, as there are some Amsterdam shops selling normal cubensis under simular names, but not the same.

[Abrad]

Or Azures, but they can be hard to find IIRC.

[Fantasian]

any idea of dosages on these, i know that species differance causes a huge variation of potency, what i said above with the assumption that they'd be stronger in Amsterdam is that i believe that they will have been grown better than SWIM can grow them.

[Abrad]

They'll be able to tell you in the shop.

[Fantasian]

kk no probs, what happens if the dosage taken is too high, all SWIMS experiences have been mild to moderate due to availability.

[Nature Boy]

Psilocybe McKennai:
Beginner dose: 10g fresh or 1g dry
Full dose: 20g fresh or 2g dry
Massive dose: 30g fresh or 3g

Copelandia Cyanescens:
Beginner dose: 5g fresh or 0.4g dry
Full dose: 10g fresg or 0.8g dry
Massive dose: 18g fresh or 1.5g dry

[Fantasian]

Thanks NBL,

Could someone tell me what happens on an OD of shrooms
?

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Erowid.org

Threshold Effects : (from .25gm - .75gms P. Cubensis)
Slight cold feeling, mild gas or nausea, nervous-feeling, slight pupil-dilation, mild visual changes including lights seeming brighter, lights having a 'starry' look, and noticing movement at the periphery of vision, giddiness, feeling more emotionally sensitive, and many other effects related to a change in neurochemistry.

Medium Effects : (0.75gm - 2.5gms P. Cubensis)
'Cold' feeling, gas and/or stomach discomfort, nausea, pupil-dilation, open-eye visual effects: lights gain auras, star-pattern effects, rainbowing around lighting, lights seem brighter, often 'more beautiful', notice movement in periphery, sometimes increased ability to focus, sometimes reduced ability to focus, visual field 'distracting', visual field 'entertaining', closed eye 'visuals': normal closed eye 'blobs' take on patterns, shapes, distinct forms, increased ability to visualize creatively, spontaneous detailed images, feelings of time-dilation, feelings of `coming home again' which is often more pronounced for those who have used mushrooms before, feelings of belonging and connection, increased emotional sensitivity, increased ability to focus on emotional problems or memories, chance of becoming 'caught in a loop' thinking / dwelling on a single thought or feeling (usually negative or painful), realizations about past feelings, realizations about how to live, gain a new perspective on current lifestyle and behaviors, feelings of connection with those around you, noticing things which are normally ignored or taken for granted, feelings of wonder, spirit, joy, sadness, despair, religious awakening, contentment and possibly latent psychological crises can come out..

High Dose Effects : (2.5gm - 10gms)
All of the Medium Effects, usually with a significantly more uncomfortable Coming Up, more pronounced nausea sometimes (rarely) resulting in vomiting, sometimes significant mental discomfort associated with feelings of fear and often times accompanying a "what have I done to myself" or "how far am I going" thought, the unpleasant Coming Up effects usually lessen with familiarity and more knowledge about the safety and character of mushroom effects. High Dose Effects are usually characterized by the closed eye visualizations being significantly more elaborate and enfolding, religious revelation, spiritual awakening, near death experiences, loss of self, talking to seemingly external, autonomous entities, extreme emotional responses, repressed memories coming to life, latent psychological crises can come to the surface, an increase in artistic sense, and intense feelings of wonder, connection, joy, fear. High Dose Effects can also include extreme time-dilation, with experiences of wall-clock minutes taking an experientially large amount of time, watching clocks or digital counters where the seconds seem to take minutes to count off. One of the most interesting effects is the feeling of awakening for the first time ever from a previous state of sleep, of liberation from what is now seen as a life-long state of bondage. Paradoxically, it is this new awareness which feels normal and natural and the previous fog which is seen to have been unreal all along. The bemushroomed seeker is convinced that, once gained, this awareness is impossible to lose, but inexplicably by the next day it is just a memory.

Source: http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushroo..._effects.shtml

[-k4ge]

Man, thoes are some potent mushrooms. For SWIM to get any effects he has to do at least 4 grams, and has gone as high as 13 grams.

[Fantasian]

Then im guessing 10gms and above would reach a ceiling effect?

[Bajeda]

Damn Alfa!

Swim definitely took the wrong mushrooms last time he was in the Netherlands! He will have to remember that name for next time!



BajEdit: To NatureBoy's info.