OC 40 vs. 60mg Vicodin

[Subuser]

SWIM could easily take 60mg of Hydrocodone without a problem to relieve her pain.
Could SWIM crush a time release Oxycontin 40mg or would that b e too much at a time?

How much OC would SWIM be ingesting when crushing a 40 mg time release OC?

[Ellis D.]

SWIM thinks this would be fine sense 60mg of hydrocodone will have created enough of a tolerance to cushion 40mg of oxycodone. There is 40mg in a time release OC, by crushing it you are destroying the time release so 40mg will hit you all at once instead of being released in multiple smaller doses over a period of time.

[Subuser]

SWIM was under the impression that since Oxycontin 40 mg were time released they gave you a constant 40 mg dose over 6-8 hours.

Your answer implies that a 40mg oxycontin spreads 40 mg over 6-8 hours.
Do I understand this correctly?

[thaprepster82]

Originally Posted by Ellis D.

SWIM thinks this would be fine sense 60mg of hydrocodone will have created enough of a tolerance to cushion 40mg of oxycodone. There is 40mg in a time release OC, by crushing it you are destroying the time release so 40mg will hit you all at once instead of being released in multiple smaller doses over a period of time.

i agree with this, if swim has built up a tolorance for 60mg hydro, 40mg would do swim just fine and besides 3000mg of tylenol is very bad on the liver.

[Ellis D.]

That is correct. An OC 40 has a total of 40mg of oxy in it that is released over time if taken as prescribed.

[howlongisthenight]

vicodin is the brand name for 5mg hydrocodone and 500mg APAP.....or at least traditionally is (sometimes 7.5/500, 7.5/325, etc) But anyways it seems like these are traditionally prescribe 1 to 2 every 4-6 hours as need for pain. So thats 5-10mg. If you are using for pain relief dont you think that 60mg pure hydrocodone is a bit of an overkill? Perhaps SWIY has a tolerance built up but these numbers appeared fishy. The oxycotin(time released oxycodone) is 40mg released over a time span to my knowledge. 40mg at one time is well beyond recreational doses and would not be prescribed by a doctor. Percocet (another painkiller) contains oxycodone but in instant release forms and lower levels like 5mg or 7.5mg. SWIM would suggest maybe doing some more research before continued experimentation.

[Subuser]

SWIM realizes 60 mg of Hydro is high, and you are right SWIM has built up a tolerance to Hydro.
SWIM was not intending to use both the 60 mg of Hydro and the Oxy. One or the other for breakthrough pain.
Thanks for your concern and comment.

[Pinkavvy]

Subuser- I certainly hope that you are extracting that hydrocodone out of the pills, and not just eating the pills; or you don't have long to live. Taking 6000mg of acetominophin is extremely dangerous.

[drugsrbad]

oxys are a million times better than hydro. swim would take 40 mg's oxy over a billion mg's of hydro

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by drugsrbad

oxys are a million times better than hydro. swim would take 40 mg's oxy over a billion mg's of hydro

Interesting. Aside from a slight difference in potency, SWIM doesnt see much difference between both drugs' subjective effects.

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by Forthesevenlakes

Interesting. Aside from a slight difference in potency, SWIM doesnt see much difference between both drugs' subjective effects.

From swim's reading and experiences, Hydrocodone is not as strong as Oxycodone. Most internet sites that rate drug and drug potency state oxycodone is 2x stronger than hydrocodone. Swim's many doc's say the same. Is Swim getting messed with, lol??

Also, Swim read a Harvard Medical Study on various pain medicines and how they relieve pain. Hydrocodone was rated as a 6 and oxycodone was a 7. I think this study even stated that Oxy was supposedly 2x stronger as well.

From swim's experiences, It seems that the OC's seem to give a better feeling, especially at a higher dose! Swim doesn't want to be taking so much APAP with the hydro, even though his are 10mg. If swim wants to take a pile of hydro's, a simple colde water extraction is the best way to do it.

^^^SwiSubuser: depending on the type of OC, swim wouldn't advise crushing it. This is a contoversial topic. If Swiy has Predue's the it is OK, others like Teva and other generics gel up a lot, they suck. Swim has heard the Watson's are the best generics swiy could hope for..
Good Luck!

[mynizza]

Well swim has alot of experience with alot of different brands of oxycontin. And he can say that the only types that "gels up" is the teva, foot ball shaped generics (branded 93, and 33). And what does that matter if you are swalloing them? And as far as crushing 40 mg goes, swim would not do that... swim would try about half of that and see how it effects swiy, and then go from there. Why risk overdosing, when swim first tried it he snorted name brand (oc 40) and almost passed out, because the dose was far to hgh for his tolerance. He was very used to taking hydrocodone, almost daily, but oxycodone is alot more powerful then you think it is. Just remember, it is like getting a hair cut, you can always cut more if you dont think its short enough (or feel strong enough), but after you cut your hair off (or eat your pills) you cant go back...
Also, if "swiy" is going to snort them then try and get either name brand OC's or the ones that say abg on one side and 10, 20, 40, or 80 on the other side. swim told a friend that they are easy to snort because they dont gel or burn. The ones that say 93 on one side and 33 on the other (footballs) gel up and are hardly no good for snorting, and the ones that say E702 (im not sure on the exact numbers but something like that) and the mg on the other side burn like hell to snort. If you wipe all the color off them there is still a coat under that which is clear and if you get all the coats off it, it is still hard as a rock I'm guessing to try and keep them from being crushed. So swim would suggest starting with a low dose and working your way up, and if snorting dont snort the wrong ones!!

Originally Posted by thegoodfight

From swim's reading and experiences, Hydrocodone is not as strong as Oxycodone. Most internet sites that rate drug and drug potency state oxycodone is 2x stronger than hydrocodone. Swim's many doc's say the same. Is Swim getting messed with, lol??

Also, Swim read a Harvard Medical Study on various pain medicines and how they relieve pain. Hydrocodone was rated as a 6 and oxycodone was a 7. I think this study even stated that Oxy was supposedly 2x stronger as well.

From swim's experiences, It seems that the OC's seem to give a better feeling, especially at a higher dose! Swim doesn't want to be taking so much APAP with the hydro, even though his are 10mg. If swim wants to take a pile of hydro's, a simple colde water extraction is the best way to do it.

^^^SwiSubuser: depending on the type of OC, swim wouldn't advise crushing it. This is a contoversial topic. If Swiy has Predue's the it is OK, others like Teva and other generics gel up a lot, they suck. Swim has heard the Watson's are the best generics swiy could hope for..
Good Luck!

[drugsrbad]

Originally Posted by Forthesevenlakes

Interesting. Aside from a slight difference in potency, SWIM doesnt see much difference between both drugs' subjective effects.

Swim doesn't get the same euphoria or empathy he gets with oc's from hydro. He does know people that don't care either way. maybe its just swim.

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by drugsrbad

Swim doesn't get the same euphoria or empathy he gets with oc's from hydro. He does know people that don't care either way. maybe its just swim.

Are SwiDRB saying that hydro's don't give swiy as much euphoria as OC's do? If so, swim feels the same way. It could be a mind thing.?.

[Nagognog2]

Bongo has had both prescribed to him for dental nightmares. For this purpose he finds the hydrocodone to be a superior analgesic. The oxycodone will work, but it causes him to feel oddly wired and itchy - the last thing he needs. So Bongo prefers the hydrocodone for any dental-pain situation.

However he has also had Oxycodone prescribed for a smashed-up back injury. Then it worked like a charm and without the wired and itchy effects. Strange but true.

So for dental: Hydrocodone.

So for muscle and bones: Oxycodone.

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Bongo has had both prescribed to him for dental nightmares. For this purpose he finds the hydrocodone to be a superior analgesic. The oxycodone will work, but it causes him to feel oddly wired and itchy - the last thing he needs. So Bongo prefers the hydrocodone for any dental-pain situation.

However he has also had Oxycodone prescribed for a smashed-up back injury. Then it worked like a charm and without the wired and itchy effects. Strange but true.

So for dental: Hydrocodone.

So for muscle and bones: Oxycodone.

Is it possible that oxycodone works better for larger injuries? It seems that back pain is a "larger" area to treat and it is constantly being agitatted with any movement.

Dental work is more of a local pain, and seems to be agitated with an increase of blood pressure and heart rate. Rest and hydrocodone would probably work well for this.

This is just swims point of view. Swim is not trying to argue

[paulywould]

SWIM thought 40mg OCs released 40mg over the course of 8-12 hours. Is someone saying that 40mg are released each hour?

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by paulywould

SWIM thought 40mg OCs released 40mg over the course of 8-12 hours. Is someone saying that 40mg are released each hour?

SWIM wished it would release 40mg each hour. It is 40mg over the length of the pill which is advertised as "12 hours". Swim thinks that is a bunch of shit! It is more like 6-8 hours, in swims opinion.

[paulywould]

SWIM says brand name OCs are not encapsulated. After, washing the color off the outside, a person could just crush them with a hard object, and smush them until there only remains powder. Cutting part of it off with a razorblade is not worth the time.

[drugsrbad]

Originally Posted by paulywould

SWIM says brand name OCs are not encapsulated. After, washing the color off the outside, a person could just crush them with a hard object, and smush them until there only remains powder. Cutting part of it off with a razorblade is not worth the time.

razorblading the outside takes about the same amount of time as sucking on it(if not less). once you get a little of you cna jsut pick at it with fingers it comes off like nothing.