OC 40 vs. 60mg Vicodin

[Subuser]

SWIM could easily take 60mg of Hydrocodone without a problem to relieve her pain.
Could SWIM crush a time release Oxycontin 40mg or would that b e too much at a time?

How much OC would SWIM be ingesting when crushing a 40 mg time release OC?

[Ellis D.]

SWIM thinks this would be fine sense 60mg of hydrocodone will have created enough of a tolerance to cushion 40mg of oxycodone. There is 40mg in a time release OC, by crushing it you are destroying the time release so 40mg will hit you all at once instead of being released in multiple smaller doses over a period of time.

[Subuser]

SWIM was under the impression that since Oxycontin 40 mg were time released they gave you a constant 40 mg dose over 6-8 hours.

Your answer implies that a 40mg oxycontin spreads 40 mg over 6-8 hours.
Do I understand this correctly?

[Ellis D.]

That is correct. An OC 40 has a total of 40mg of oxy in it that is released over time if taken as prescribed.

[howlongisthenight]

vicodin is the brand name for 5mg hydrocodone and 500mg APAP.....or at least traditionally is (sometimes 7.5/500, 7.5/325, etc) But anyways it seems like these are traditionally prescribe 1 to 2 every 4-6 hours as need for pain. So thats 5-10mg. If you are using for pain relief dont you think that 60mg pure hydrocodone is a bit of an overkill? Perhaps SWIY has a tolerance built up but these numbers appeared fishy. The oxycotin(time released oxycodone) is 40mg released over a time span to my knowledge. 40mg at one time is well beyond recreational doses and would not be prescribed by a doctor. Percocet (another painkiller) contains oxycodone but in instant release forms and lower levels like 5mg or 7.5mg. SWIM would suggest maybe doing some more research before continued experimentation.

[Subuser]

SWIM realizes 60 mg of Hydro is high, and you are right SWIM has built up a tolerance to Hydro.
SWIM was not intending to use both the 60 mg of Hydro and the Oxy. One or the other for breakthrough pain.
Thanks for your concern and comment.

[Pinkavvy]

Subuser- I certainly hope that you are extracting that hydrocodone out of the pills, and not just eating the pills; or you don't have long to live. Taking 6000mg of acetominophin is extremely dangerous.

[drugsrbad]

oxys are a million times better than hydro. swim would take 40 mg's oxy over a billion mg's of hydro

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by drugsrbad

oxys are a million times better than hydro. swim would take 40 mg's oxy over a billion mg's of hydro

Interesting. Aside from a slight difference in potency, SWIM doesnt see much difference between both drugs' subjective effects.

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by Forthesevenlakes

Interesting. Aside from a slight difference in potency, SWIM doesnt see much difference between both drugs' subjective effects.

From swim's reading and experiences, Hydrocodone is not as strong as Oxycodone. Most internet sites that rate drug and drug potency state oxycodone is 2x stronger than hydrocodone. Swim's many doc's say the same. Is Swim getting messed with, lol??

Also, Swim read a Harvard Medical Study on various pain medicines and how they relieve pain. Hydrocodone was rated as a 6 and oxycodone was a 7. I think this study even stated that Oxy was supposedly 2x stronger as well.

From swim's experiences, It seems that the OC's seem to give a better feeling, especially at a higher dose! Swim doesn't want to be taking so much APAP with the hydro, even though his are 10mg. If swim wants to take a pile of hydro's, a simple colde water extraction is the best way to do it.

^^^SwiSubuser: depending on the type of OC, swim wouldn't advise crushing it. This is a contoversial topic. If Swiy has Predue's the it is OK, others like Teva and other generics gel up a lot, they suck. Swim has heard the Watson's are the best generics swiy could hope for..
Good Luck!

[drugsrbad]

Originally Posted by Forthesevenlakes

Interesting. Aside from a slight difference in potency, SWIM doesnt see much difference between both drugs' subjective effects.

Swim doesn't get the same euphoria or empathy he gets with oc's from hydro. He does know people that don't care either way. maybe its just swim.

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by drugsrbad

Swim doesn't get the same euphoria or empathy he gets with oc's from hydro. He does know people that don't care either way. maybe its just swim.

Are SwiDRB saying that hydro's don't give swiy as much euphoria as OC's do? If so, swim feels the same way. It could be a mind thing.?.

[Nagognog2]

Bongo has had both prescribed to him for dental nightmares. For this purpose he finds the hydrocodone to be a superior analgesic. The oxycodone will work, but it causes him to feel oddly wired and itchy - the last thing he needs. So Bongo prefers the hydrocodone for any dental-pain situation.

However he has also had Oxycodone prescribed for a smashed-up back injury. Then it worked like a charm and without the wired and itchy effects. Strange but true.

So for dental: Hydrocodone.

So for muscle and bones: Oxycodone.

[drugsrbad]

Originally Posted by thegoodfight

Are SwiDRB saying that hydro's don't give swiy as much euphoria as OC's do? If so, swim feels the same way. It could be a mind thing.?.

Yeah i think that it could be i swims head. swim used to eat hydro's like candy and then started taking perks and thought they were so much better. Normally when swim does oxy's its oxycontin so he puts it up the snooter instead of eating them like hydro. swim also feels he can eat more mg's of oxy then hydro without nasuea so he cna get much higher with perks. no drug compares to a oc up the nose in swims opinion.

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by drugsrbad

Yeah i think that it could be i swims head. swim used to eat hydro's like candy and then started taking perks and thought they were so much better. Normally when swim does oxy's its oxycontin so he puts it up the snooter instead of eating them like hydro. swim also feels he can eat more mg's of oxy then hydro without nasuea so he cna get much higher with perks. no drug compares to a oc up the nose in swims opinion.

Swim thinks very similarly to SwiDRB^. Hydro's were what Swim had first but they seemed to stop working very quickly, before swim ever started "abusing" them. Hydro's never made swim nasueas (luckily) but it did make swim itchy at first.

Swim has told me that when swim bumps oxys, it is the best feeling, much better than any oral ingestion. Does SwiDRB get Predue OC's or generics? If SwiDRB does bump generics, please tell the members here how it is done.

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Bongo has had both prescribed to him for dental nightmares. For this purpose he finds the hydrocodone to be a superior analgesic. The oxycodone will work, but it causes him to feel oddly wired and itchy - the last thing he needs. So Bongo prefers the hydrocodone for any dental-pain situation.

However he has also had Oxycodone prescribed for a smashed-up back injury. Then it worked like a charm and without the wired and itchy effects. Strange but true.

So for dental: Hydrocodone.

So for muscle and bones: Oxycodone.

Is it possible that oxycodone works better for larger injuries? It seems that back pain is a "larger" area to treat and it is constantly being agitatted with any movement.

Dental work is more of a local pain, and seems to be agitated with an increase of blood pressure and heart rate. Rest and hydrocodone would probably work well for this.

This is just swims point of view. Swim is not trying to argue

[drugsrbad]

Originally Posted by thegoodfight

Swim thinks very similarly to SwiDRB^. Hydro's were what Swim had first but they seemed to stop working very quickly, before swim ever started "abusing" them. Hydro's never made swim nasueas (luckily) but it did make swim itchy at first.

Swim has told me that when swim bumps oxys, it is the best feeling, much better than any oral ingestion. Does SwiDRB get Predue OC's or generics? If SwiDRB does bump generics, please tell the members here how it is done.

bumping generic 80's is normally what swim does. They have 33 on one side and a 93 on the other. swim puts it in his mouth for a minute or 2. then rubs the coating on shirt. crush it up in a bill. sometimes there is still shell on it so he would pick that out. bump the rest. then scrape the shell crap a little to see if he can get anymore out of it. then bump the shell in the other nostil jsut in case it clogs shit up. It works well for swim.

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by drugsrbad

bumping generic 80's is normally what swim does. They have 33 on one side and a 93 on the other. swim puts it in his mouth for a minute or 2. then rubs the coating on shirt. crush it up in a bill. sometimes there is still shell on it so he would pick that out. bump the rest. then scrape the shell crap a little to see if he can get anymore out of it. then bump the shell in the other nostil jsut in case it clogs shit up. It works well for swim.

SwiDRB is getting Teva pills. Do the pills get all goey/sticky? Swim has heard that these pills gel up very quickly and get all nasty when they touch water/liquid. Swim is glad that they work for you.

[paulywould]

SWIM thought 40mg OCs released 40mg over the course of 8-12 hours. Is someone saying that 40mg are released each hour?

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by paulywould

SWIM thought 40mg OCs released 40mg over the course of 8-12 hours. Is someone saying that 40mg are released each hour?

SWIM wished it would release 40mg each hour. It is 40mg over the length of the pill which is advertised as "12 hours". Swim thinks that is a bunch of shit! It is more like 6-8 hours, in swims opinion.

[drugsrbad]

Originally Posted by thegoodfight

SwiDRB is getting Teva pills. Do the pills get all goey/sticky? Swim has heard that these pills gel up very quickly and get all nasty when they touch water/liquid. Swim is glad that they work for you.

not from his experience.

[botas]

Originally Posted by drugsrbad

bumping generic 80's is normally what swim does. They have 33 on one side and a 93 on the other. swim puts it in his mouth for a minute or 2. then rubs the coating on shirt. crush it up in a bill. sometimes there is still shell on it so he would pick that out. bump the rest. then scrape the shell crap a little to see if he can get anymore out of it. then bump the shell in the other nostil jsut in case it clogs shit up. It works well for swim.

there IS oxycodone in the coating. Suck on the coating and instead swallow it, dont rub it on your shirt. read here for more..
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21929

[drugsrbad]

Originally Posted by botas

there IS oxycodone in the coating. Suck on the coating and instead swallow it, dont rub it on your shirt. read here for more..
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21929

i have never read or heard that anywhere. that post doesn't say for certain that it is true. swim sucks on the coating till its gone then rubs some of the excess on his shirt and to dry it off basically. if swim has a razor blade handy he will normally cut the coating off and eat that, but in the pinch he does the shirt method.

[thegoodfight]

Originally Posted by drugsrbad

i have never read or heard that anywhere. that post doesn't say for certain that it is true. swim sucks on the coating till its gone then rubs some of the excess on his shirt and to dry it off basically. if swim has a razor blade handy he will normally cut the coating off and eat that, but in the pinch he does the shirt method.

Swim has read that article as well and thought it may be valad until swim had access to a variety of diff OC's for various vendors. The coating on Predue OC's seems to be very thin and cracks when crushed. The coating on Endo are VERY thick and get very messy when wet.

Swim now sucks off the entire coating of swim's pills in case this is true. Swim is thinking of asking one of swim's friends who is a pharamcists.

[paulywould]

SWIM says brand name OCs are not encapsulated. After, washing the color off the outside, a person could just crush them with a hard object, and smush them until there only remains powder. Cutting part of it off with a razorblade is not worth the time.