Methylone and hallucinations.

[Systemdoll]

Hello.
Swim had numberous experience with methylone with always visual hallucinations.
The dosage was 170mg + 160mg 3hours later + 150mg 3hours later.

Each time, at the end of the trip, swim experiment visual hallucinations with text and drawing all over the wall. Like a kind of code.
That type of hallucinations are very vivid because Swim is not "stoned" but just very euphoric. So swim may concentrate on that visuals, but each time he want to examinate the codage, it disapear.
In fact it's very weird.
Swim want to know if someone have experimented the same type of visuals.
Swim had tried a dozen of other RC with no such type hallucinations.

[Nagognog2]

Some entactogenics have been known to produce eidetic imagery - like what is being described by SWIM. It tends to be personalized - certain molecules eliciting such in different people. For SWIM it appears methylone is the material to bring such to the surface. MDE has been reported to elicit this commonly.

For Bongo, MMDA (not MDMA) was found to very commonly do this to him and his fellow researchers. Who managed to trace the outlines for comparison.

[Systemdoll]

Thank you for the explanation.

The thing i found very weird is that swim sees Chinese ideogram (and swim don't write chinese) or solved sudoku puzzle. It's much more realistic than hallucinations with shroom or LSD.
Swim can see also a lot of "particle" floating in front of object. As swim says, he doesnt feel stoned and so it seem to be very realistic.

[Nagognog2]

Bongo & Co. also noted Chinese pictograms. And yes, they reported these were very clearly seen. Hence they were able to draw them accurately down on paper. The comparisons done later were, in many cases, nearly identical. Theories drawn from this dealt with these molecules eliciting a direct linkage to what Jung refered to as the collective-unconscious.

[Voices]

That is incredibly interesting. Does anyone have any idea what is going on physiologically to cause this?

[nanobrain]

disinhibition of the VC neuronal threshold coupled with increased cross - CC throughput facilitating access to states described by Dr Bongo, DSc. also known as the akashik record (a work in progress) and a sybolic yet pictoglyphic language overlying our primary linguistic communication mode.

in case of MDMA-like serotonergics, when one sees crystalline webbing and shifting logos, thats a sign of an overdose, active radical DA metabolites seekimg to bind to serotonin reuptake sites, wrong key! brainfry and hangover on the way.

[Systemdoll]

I'm sorry but could you be a little much explicit (i'm french and my english vocabulary don't content biological terms).
Are you just telling me that that those visions is the result of an overdose of MDMA-BK ?

[Nagognog2]

Depends on the exact nature of the imagery.

If it is clear and maintains, he is saying it's an opening of ancient linguistic banks that are encoded within the subconscious of the human mind. If it becomes a shifting pattern brought on by entactogens - you did too much. The dosage/nature of the imagery is key here. The shifting overdose visions tend to be everywhere and cause confusion.

I tend to agree. Bongo is aware of overdose varieties of imagery created by people who take too much. Quite different from clear language appearing.


<EDIT> Can I ask how long into the journey SWIM was when he first noticed this effect happening? Judging from the dosage described, it was not LIKELY an overdose. But the chronology* would be good to know.


* Time frame

[RoboCop]

Nice thread.
I was told a story from a friend I like to call Swim. Swim came to me with an amazingly bizarre story of the CEVs she had after a methylone experience. Swim has been trying methylone on several occasions giving a week at least between each experiment. On Swims highest dose of methylone(exact mg unknown but I know it was done rectally though) Swim had wonderful effects with a hard comedown. During the comedown swim did nothing but lie on her bed with her eyes closed, extremely lazy. Suddenly she saw black in white image of a chair, it was very realistic. Then a person walked into her vision and walked to the chair. The person sat down for a few moments then got up and walked out of vision. Seconds later another person with different features and different clothes walked in and sat on the chair. Got up walked out....This continued over 10 times with different people all wearing different clothes some had hats some wore jeans one light up a cigerette on the chair. All were people swim has never seen before. This continued until swim opened her eyes got up and went to the bathroom. When she got back the CEVS were different. At no time did she think she was close to an OD but Swim is not planning to take this much methylone again. The CEVS where nothing like that of tryptamines or any psychedelic.

This was the only time Swim has reported seeing CEV's off of methylone.

[Systemdoll]

Those visions appears after the third dosage. Swim use methylone for alduteration of masturbation. Swim is in his bed with porn on tv. Swim must pause the porn because he is completely astonished by the visions. It's a very euphoric moment. Swim look at the walls and surfaces, try to understand something from that code, then return to his hobby. Verry happy.

Yes, something very important !
I forgot to tell !
Swim use a lot of amyle nitrite during his sessions with methylone. Perhaps the nitrite is in for something ?

Note: it's not CEV. Swim had always the eyes wide open.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

If it becomes a shifting pattern brought on by entactogens - you did too much. The dosage/nature of the imagery is key here.

I tend to agree. Bongo is aware of overdose varieties of imagery created by people who take too much. Quite different from clear language appearing.

Hi,

SWIF on this note has experienced trying to read phone messages when each letter is spinning and crystelizing. Much like when one presses a finger down on a calculator display.
Is this a sign of "Overdose"?
Is this level of Entactogen worse for the body than normal levels?
SWIF experienced this with MDA...

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

in case of MDMA-like serotonergics, when one sees crystalline webbing and shifting logos, thats a sign of an overdose, active radical DA metabolites seekimg to bind to serotonin reuptake sites, wrong key! brainfry and hangover on the way.

Slightly off-topic, but something like that happened to SWIM once in association with an SSRI antidepressant. He'd just been taking it (Lexapro) for a few days and decided to go off it. About a day later, his central vision went out completely for a few minutes (peripheral vision remained normal).... this was followed by a shifting, undulating crystalline webbing pattern in the center of his vision, which finally disappeared (and his vision normalized). Needless to say, the whole episode scared him sh*tless, particularly the loss of central vision (he could see that something was there, but could not make out what it was, e.g. could not read).

[nanobrain]

^yep, sure as. the severity of visual disturbances depends on acuteness of withdrawal, established SSRI dose levels, duration of course, etc, etc, but they indeed are severe -mind you, these disturbances are just that and are far from the mythic visions where grokking the higher logos is part of the mystery to be remembered - and no methamp overdosage peripheral / central fry.