Piperazine alternatives

[prince]

Have any SWIMs come across any good piperazine alternatives (legal in uk)?SMIM is aware that now that piperazine has become a controled substance in the UK all of the key players are tying to market alternatives to capitalise on the past poularity of BZP, most of wich are likly to be, well, shit.SWIM is loking for somthing hard hitting, like the bzp based pills are, but legal.Any ideas?

[snapper]

It's sad that now there is a need of an alternative of an alternative. BZP and other piperazines were originally produced as substitutes to ecstacy or speed. Now maybe people will go back to the illegal stuff ...
There is little left except the beta ketones (methylone and friends..) - not sure of prohibition status in UK but there's a thread on it somewhere.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ylone+legality

[radiometer]

SWIM is loking for somthing hard hitting, like the bzp based pills are, but legal.

A 5 lb hammer is pretty hard-hitting. With almost the same side-effect profile as piperazines!


(I'd give you a serious answer if I had one, sorry!)

[Riconoen {UGC}]

200mg's of caffiene condensed into a shot glass sized bottle. That'll hit you like a .44 magnum.

But BZP is sort of a grey area here in the states, that is, the smart shops overseas will still ship piperazines to the us but they're technically illegal here.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Riconoen {UGC}

200mg's of caffiene condensed into a shot glass sized bottle. That'll hit you like a .44 magnum.

But BZP is sort of a grey area here in the states, that is, the smart shops overseas will still ship piperazines to the us but they're technically illegal here.

SWIM is finding most NZ 'smart shops' will ship derivatives, but not BZP itself.

[Thirdedge]

You could consider trying Happycaps Space e. While milder than bzp these do work fairly well in Swims opinion. Take double the recomended dosage and maybey combine with weed.