Opinions - American drug police is CRAZY

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

SWIM just saw a tv show ment for american viewers, and the're was FOUR poilces (with pistols!), SMASHING the window of a car, pulling the woman sitting in the seat by the smashed window out of the car brutally, forcing her to the ground,. And so they did with the persons in the back seat ..

they made the "big" score of some five grams of amphetamin and a little pot. And the policeman went smiling to the camera telling about what a successful bust they've made..!

If they were policemen in SWIMs country they would not have been rewarded, but lost their jobs for totally unnessecary police brutality

It's f**king crazy

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I agree

[Riconoen {UGC}]

Shit like this happens every day in this fucked up country and they get medals and not prison time like they deserve. Thank whatever god you pray to that you weren't born here man.

[El Calico Loco]

A friend of mine majored in criminal justice in college. This was a good guy - very upstanding and moral. Would have made a great peace officer. Sadly, after spending years learning about law enforcement, he decided that the system was fundamentally broken and corrupt. He wanted nothing to do with it.

Many of his classmates were cops who were trying to earn their degrees so they could move up to administration. He sat in class and listened as they described the Fourth Amendment as "a problem." He watched them go all ga-ga over the idea of being a US Marshall - not because they would get to go after bad guys, but because they would get to carry an MP5. Woohoo.

In his opinion, American police officers have become cowards. Whenever they have overwhelming advantage (say, five cops with guns versus one unarmed guy), they go overboard and just knock the living crap out of the perp. When the situation is genuinely dangerous, however - such as the Columbine shootings or the Central Park riots a few years back - they sit on their hands and wait for backup.

I don't know what to say to that.


ECL

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Good story

[Fresh]

Maybe the word you're looking for is gang mentality?

[AntiAimer]

Since I didn't see the video, can't really say if it was wrong or not. Must remember COPS, no matter if your 9 or 89, don't know if you have a gun or if your going to run. Force is necessary to sustain power\situation, but i've seen alot of "COPS" the T.V. show, where it flat out shows they where just abuseing there power for T.V. or to let out there anger since the guy ran.

I remember seeing a article where a cop or security guard I forget, tasered this old lady. Who died, but they said the cop followed the rules, so nothing happen to him but alittle paid vacation. Gotta love it.

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

" don't know if you have a gun or if your going to run." SWIm really finds this a paradox, in the USA you are not allowed to use drugs softer than Alcohol. That is stricktly forbidden. But you are on the other hand allowed to buy weapons which don't have any other function than to kill people. And it's "constitutionalized",. If guns were highly restricted they wouldn't have to worry so much about gangs as they used to. And maybe someday the police wouldn't have to carry a f**king pistol with them to work


some other thing swim also finds bizarre about some of the states, is that at the age of 18 you are allowed to prostitute your body, but to have a drink, is such an important decision that it has to be postponed to the age of twenty-fucking-one...

So basiclly you are mature enough to make the descion of going to war, and die, but not to have a beer. LoL

[Riconoen {UGC}]

I'll have to disagree with you strongly on the guns but yeah it's fucked up how you can drive a tank through bagdad at 18 but have to wait three more years just to have a drink.

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

Originally Posted by Riconoen {UGC}

I'll have to disagree with you strongly on the guns

please tell why, swim is interested..

[Beeker]

a white middle class 22 year old in Texas just got 30 years and his house taken and sold for Texas LEO cash last week for selling less then a kilo of meth to a cop.

Ameica is run by Bush supporters who are on a witch hunt for any anti-christian anything right now.

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interesting

[D.U.M.B]

From what I have read above SWIM is so glad he ain't in the USA. Land of freedom lol!

Bowling for columbine was on tv last night so I watched it again. It's unbelieveable like so many have said, you can buy and gun, you can die for your country but at the age of eighteen you can't have a beer

And when it comes to soft drugs it's shocking some of the sentences I have seen for small quantites of whatever drug. In some case you'd barely get a warning in other countries for it.

I don't think I'll ever visit America well not at least until there is somebody more sane in power and laws have been given a good make over. I honestly do feel sorry for anybody in America who are just like SWIM over here in Ireland because if SWIM and SWIY living in America both ended up in the same situations (drug bust etc.) our punishment would be much different and how the police/garda would handle the situation

I hope upcoming elections can do something to improve lifestyle over there

[Nagognog2]

In my old home-town, some kid - 16 - threw a house party for his teenage friends while his parents (surprise!) were out of town. The police arrived with dogs. One 16 year old girl had her face torn off by a German Shepard after the cops set the dogs on the kids - who were sitting in the living room listening to music and talking. No warrant. No warning. No nothing. Outright assault and battery on a group of kids listening to music. Heads were smashed with clubs. Kids beaten bloody. Something had to be done.

So the kid whose house it was at was given a 6 month prison sentence for underage drinking. The cops managed to find some beer in the icebox.

The mid-term elections here in the Untied Snakes will, at best, stop any further re-writing of the Constitution and the removal of what's left of the rights of the people. Then a slow reversal is possible. But Bush & Co. will still be able to veto any new laws, or revisions of the Bush-laws, that are passed by both the House and Senate. So it will be, in effect, a stalemate.

Until the regime blows up another building and declares martial law.

[AntiAimer]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

In my old home-town, some kid - 16 - threw a house party for his teenage friends while his parents (surprise!) were out of town. The police arrived with dogs. One 16 year old girl had her face torn off by a German Shepard after the cops set the dogs on the kids - who were sitting in the living room listening to music and talking. No warrant. No warning. No nothing. Outright assault and battery on a group of kids listening to music. Heads were smashed with clubs. Kids beaten bloody. Something had to be done.

So the kid whose house it was at was given a 6 month prison sentence for underage drinking. The cops managed to find some beer in the icebox.

The mid-term elections here in the Untied Snakes will, at best, stop any further re-writing of the Constitution and the removal of what's left of the rights of the people. Then a slow reversal is possible. But Bush & Co. will still be able to veto any new laws, or revisions of the Bush-laws, that are passed by both the House and Senate. So it will be, in effect, a stalemate.

Until the regime blows up another building and declares martial law.

Lucky the parents didn't get charge with anything. Since it's there house, there responsible no matter if they are there or not, provided it or not and so forth. Pretty f*#cked up if you ask me. Even if a robber comes in your house and robs you, then you shoot the robber. The robber could actually sue...this has happen and the criminal won.

[Hlucn8]

Okay, whoa guys. America does have some problems, some are admittedly very bad, but please, I think there are a great deal of things which make this country remarkabley terrific. What is going on here is a logical fallacy called an "Ad Homonym" argument. Your attacking the very character of a country, and not to mention those who have fought and died for her, because of some of our more ugly features. Attack the problems, not the country. I'm not trying to flame anybody, so please don't flame me. Talk about our problems, I do believe that is a good thing. But please, have a little respect for those who care about Her.

[Demonslayer]

Originally Posted by Hlucn8

Okay, whoa guys. America does have some problems, some are admittedly very bad, but please, I think there are a great deal of things which make this country remarkabley terrific. What is going on here is a logical fallacy called an "Ad Homonym" argument. Your attacking the very character of a country, and not to mention those who have fought and died for her, because of some of our more ugly features. Attack the problems, not the country. I'm not trying to flame anybody, so please don't flame me. Talk about our problems, I do believe that is a good thing. But please, have a little respect for those who care about Her.

Okay, whoa guys. Nazi-Germany did have some problems, some were admittedly very bad, but please,...........
A country and it's people are rightfully judged on the politics and actions of that country. If people don't like whats going on they should change it, if that isn't possible by way of voting the assholes out of office (many politicals systems have developed into systems for keeping the status quo), then brute force is justified.

[Hlucn8]

What I mean to say is, watch the name calling and broad generalizations.

[Nagognog2]

Not to talk about these sort of things would show greater disrespect for this nation. And it's people. If we don't expose the problems, we won't be able to repair them. Then what would we be?

The "America: Love It Or Leave It" doctrine is an act of cowardice. I believe this nation has great potential. But we need to be brutally honest with ourselves, as a nation, before we can truly begin to approach this potential.

[Hlucn8]

Yes, I agree. Expose the injustice. You know as well as I, however that if you wanted to address a certain persons behavior, say they took a CD without asking), and in the course of addressing that specific behavior you loose your cool and begin calling them names that have nothing to do with the argument at hand, you loose them. It's just poor form. To say, "Country X is just a fucked up piece of shit", addresses no specific problem, but generalizes an entire nation along with its people. I'm not an advocate of "Love it or Leave It", either, but I'm not willing to "throw the baby out with the bath water" as it were. This governmental system works when we all become involved.
Considering all this and re-reading the thread, only a few statements were stinging. Obviously everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but I would like to appeal to others logic and refrain for "overgeneralizing".

[Riconoen {UGC}]

Agreed, I hate the "you're either with us or against us" mentality of many neo cons. What makes this country great is that you can criticize the government, it would be "anti-american" not to.

[Hlucn8]

Originally Posted by Riconoen {UGC}

Agreed, I hate the "you're either with us or against us" mentality of many neo cons. What makes this country great is that you can criticize the government, it would be "anti-american" not to.

"Hear Hear!!". (Where Where? There There!)
Seriously though; The pendulum tends to swing radically in both directions. What we as a citizenry need to do is slow down the momentum and encourage the pendulum to stay more toward the middle, where a balance may be achieved. In my "opinion", what drives the force of the pendulum is one extreme gets placated, therefore stops acting, while the other side gets stimulated and compels them to act! this cycle continues so that it appears we have constant unrest. If everyone would get, and REMAIN, active in the driving force of the nation, perhaps some balance may be achieved?

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very well thought out post

[korky8097]

I agree with your recent post hlucn, with crime this is definatly true. As much as Americans, and people in general, talk about how bad crime is getting, is it really the crime we should be deaming responsible? The only reason crime "re-invents" itself, becomes more dispicable, is because when police and lawmakers have the vast upperhand against crime, crime must in turn step up to a different level. The reason we have heard of smugglers stuffing dead animals with drugs, is because it is the only option (or best option perhaps). Many many people do not realize that everything teeters on on equallibrium, the more power and weigh one side has, the more power and weight the other must surcome to, its just how our world is, balanced. We need to move the weight of this teeter totter as close to the equilibrium as possible, rather that further away as we have been. Crime really wouldnt be so bad if it didnt have to be.

The police in America represent one viewpoint and one set of morals. It is not what should be done in my opinion. Our police force should be filled with many very vastly different sects of society, much like a representative democracy if you like to see it that way. This would create a much more understanding police force IMO. America as a whole (well humanity in general) also must realize that when so much power is given to an individual, the result is the individual becomes drunk with power. Our officers can basically do whatever they want and get away with it, that is a tremendous power over the rest of us. And power in nearly all cases will be abused. Being a cop no longer is just a job, it is a way to gain power, and who exactly are the type of people we give this power too? The ignorant and the uneducated. How is it that in nearly all of the states, one does not have to complete college in order to become an officer? We should be trusting this power to the exact opposite type of person than what we are currently giving this power to, should we not? Power shouldnt just be given to anybody.

Ill cut my rant short, these are my opinons, all in all I believe America could be potentially great, but the reason we arent great is the people in control would lose their power if america was actually stable; they would lose their power if America reached its equalibrium. Just my 2 cents,sorry for the rambling haha.

[Riconoen {UGC}]

Becuase an armed society is a free society. do you really think that gang bangers are getting thier guns at gun stores? hell no, they're getting them off the black market, gun control does nothing but hassle honest citizens who are going to use thier guns for home protection, hunting, target shooting and shit like that. It's much like drugs, you restrict becuase of a few bad apples and it creates a black market and the situation gets worse.

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

swim wasn't thinking of gangbangers in particular

he was thinking of the fact that the vast majority (90+%) of murder is done to someone who is family or someone else who the person has a very close relation to.

All over the world people get furious at close ones. All the time.
But due to the fact that guns are readily available to the common man (in the USA), they are in their own home ready for use. And before the explosive rage has settled, the person has the time to go to his/hers home, cock the hammer, and kill the person.

If SWIM remembers accurately there is over 11,127 murders / year in the USA, compared to Britain’s 68.

That's insane differences


Than there the other issue of protection agains criminals. Where statistic actualy show that it's more likely that the gun is being misfired and shoots a friend (or whatever), than it is being shot at a criminal.

With that in mind, SWIM feel that the possible protection against criminals is weight out by the possible misfiring the gun

and the fun of shooting at a firing range is weight out by the 11,127 murders (misfires are not included in that number)

If the person thinks it comes out with the fun weighing most. Then that’s their prerogative to mean.

[El Calico Loco]

There is a lot of propaganda on both sides of the American gun debate.

You've probably heard the "statistic" that one is 43 times more likely to kill a loved one than a burglar if you keep a gun in the home. Well...it's bullshit. To arrive at that number, the author included suicides. Never mind the amount of times that a burglar or rapist is scared away when faced with a gun without anyone getting shot.

I don't know about other countries, but it's been shown again and again that, in America at least, places with more guns have lower crime rates.

I often see posts from Brits (who live in a country where it's illegal to have anything more dangerous than a toothbrush) on various Internet forums who talk about having to fight off chavs armed with razors or broken bottles on their way home from the movies. I live in central Texas, where everyone is armed to the teeth and plenty of individuals carry concealed firearms, and I never fear for my safety. I can walk around alone downtown in the middle of the night without concern.

And don't forget how freakin' big this place is. It's possible to be six hours away from anywhere in west Texas. Forget burglars; there are wolves and bears and jackalopes and chupacabras out there.

As to whether the reason that American cops are so violent is due to the greater possibility of a perp having a firearm...that's an interesting thought. I'll have to chew on that one for awhile. I always assumed it was just the gung-ho, ex-military, macho Americana personality; cops wanting to be Dirty Harry.


ECL

[Hlucn8]

Originally Posted by El Calico Loco

As to whether the reason that American cops are so violent is due to the greater possibility of a perp having a firearm...that's an interesting thought. I'll have to chew on that one for awhile. I always assumed it was just the gung-ho, ex-military, macho Americana personality; cops wanting to be Dirty Harry.


ECL

I agree with you here except on one point; Swim is a soldier, and almost every soldier I know, both still in and who have entered law enforcement show large amounts of restrain in the use of application of force; It's simply part of their training. Rules Of Engagement become their standard, and believe it or not, most soldiers are incredibly compassionate.
In my experience, the cocky, full of bull crap cops are the ones pissed cause they couldn't get into the Army for whatever reason and feel they have something to prove, or just never have shed the high-school bully mentality. A smart policeman who is actually concerned about armed confrontation approaches the situation calmly, trying not to escalate or agitate things.
BTW, I beleived jackalopes were real till I was eight.

[El Calico Loco]

Originally Posted by Hlucn8

I agree with you here except on one point; Swim is a soldier, and almost every soldier I know, both still in and who have entered law enforcement show large amounts of restrain in the use of application of force; It's simply part of their training. Rules Of Engagement become their standard, and believe it or not, most soldiers are incredibly compassionate.

I shouldn't generalize; I know whereof you speak. I have friends in the military who are men of high morals and intellect. One even has the following as his email signature:

"The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of distinction between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards"

- Sir William Francis Butler

...but I've also met my share of dumb grunts. It all depends on the individual in question.


ECL