Seeking Advice on Research Chemicals

[Wired350z]

SWIM wants to say hello to everyone, Swim has been reading the forums for the last couple of days and well now Swim is here for good. Swim has been doing some studying and has decided to take the rc plunge. Bought a digital jewlery scale good down to .01gr. This should suffice right? Well anyways Just wanted to say hello to everyone.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Hello!

[Abrad]

A .01g scale is not accurate enough to measure potent research chemicals. The only compound it is sufficient for which comes to mind is methylone. For anything else SWIY will need a scale accurate to at least .001g.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Good tip

[Each Hit]

a jewelry scale could be used to eastimate a larger amount which could be dissolved into a liquid, allowing for more detailed measurements. for example, one could measure out 0.10g on his scale, dissolve it into 100mL of water, and be able to accurately dose with an error of about plus or minus 0.1mg/mL (meaning an expected dose of 20mg should be between 18mg and 22mg). while not the best way to do things, it is better than simply putting a dose on the scale and hoping the scale rounds correctly (which could lead to an expected dose of 20mg actually being between 11mg and 29mg, depending on how the scale rounds).

a better scale would be the safest bet, though.

[Fresh]

Is it against the rules to ask people in private msgs about vendors?

[Alfa]

Yes, it is.

[Fresh]

Yea thanks, nanobrain cleared that up just now in a pm. I won't break the rules.

[Cuberun]

SWIM wouldn't put anything on methylone on that scale, then again M1 is all SWIM likes atm and he too has got a 0.01g digital scale and it does the job just fine. just make sure to keep it properly calibrated. For weighing put the powder on a card(credit card, poker cards, whatever just WEIGH IT FIRST and subtract the weight) which is then placed on the scale. Repeat a couple of times to see if there are any fluctuations.

[BlueMystic]

Be safe and get the proper equiptment. No chances, no related mistakes/trainwrecks that could lead to many negative things... Safety should always be of utmost importance here.

[Wired350z]

Swim likes his new scale but his rc supplier seems to have fallen through and funding just isnt there. Its a pretty sweet little scale Swim finds themselves weighing out everything from cannabis to tobacco lol. If though its not going to work for rc's still a good buy.

[radiometer]

That scale will be quite useful for pot and shrooms, and it would be fine for MDMA or other higher-dose chemicals. If SWIY is willing to keep lots of doses of something in a liquid solution, he may be able to use this scale to weigh out a couple hundred mg of some chemicals (i.e. the ones with more forgiving dosage ranges, say like 2C-C) and proceed to use liquid measurement with only 5-10% error or so. So, it's not a waste of money, but SWIY needs to get something more accurate if he wants to avoid that trouble for research chemicals.

[Wired350z]

Swim has seen some scales that are good to .001g that don't seem extremely expensive. Swim would assume thats all they would need, but then again the accurate the better. First swim needs rc's :*(

[Wired350z]

This is abit off topic, but dealing with such small quantities, there isn't much to work with. Swim has never broken down items into 5-10 mg doses. What Swim is getting to is if placing the powder on a piece of paper or credit card(tarring out the scale of course) wouldn't there still be a small amount of residue be left on the paper? Swim thinks they could just lick it but not sure about placing a pure r/c on his tongue(potential chem burns?). He could just be over thinking but Swim likes to be cautious.

[nanobrain]

research chemicals are not for human consumption, and the gumption of presumption of safety in licking envelopes has led some rats to a long and hard fall from grace...the mgs that remain may still contain far more than the ratties bargain for...

get the hint?

[Wired350z]

Swim thinks so.

[renegades]

If swim decides to do DOC, DOI, DOB, 5meo-dmt the scale will be useless to him. These compounds the recommended dose is about .002 whereas the scale is only .01. So swim would see either .00 or it might say .01 which means it could be five times more than needed which could result in a very unpleasant experience for about 20 hours.

[Rush]

saw you talking about the liquid technique:

is it safe to use with large quantities of the substance(1gr)?

[Nagognog2]

If one weighs 20mgs on a scale accurate to 2mgs and dissolves this in water (DOC, DOI, DOB) or acetone (5-MeO-DMT) to a total volume of 20ml - then one can safely assume that 1ml = 1mg of DOx/5-MeO. But you need quality glassware with proper calibration. Not "a couple of spoonfuls, dude."

If you are not prepared to do this correctly, then don't go near these molecules.

[Rush]

sorry if this sound like an idiot question , but 20ml and 20mg of water is the same quantity, right? so instead of a mesurement glassware, a gram scale would be ok?

[Nagognog2]

ml = milliltre and is a volumetric measure of a liquid. mg = milligram and is a 1/1000th of a gram.

[Rush]

yeah, i know that
but i thought: if 1 liter of water weighs 1 kilo (Kg)

then 1 ml (1/1000 liters) weighs 1gram (1/1000 kg)

i think this works only with water, not alchool or other things for different specific weight

just tell me if this can be or is just some of my stupid theories

[prospero]

You can get good 0.001g scales VERY cheaply nowadays. Not only are they safer, but it saves SO much time compared to visual or aqueous solution methods of measurement. Swim hasn't looked back since he purchased a set. )

[darawk]

Originally Posted by Wired350z

This is abit off topic, but dealing with such small quantities, there isn't much to work with. Swim has never broken down items into 5-10 mg doses. What Swim is getting to is if placing the powder on a piece of paper or credit card(tarring out the scale of course) wouldn't there still be a small amount of residue be left on the paper? Swim thinks they could just lick it but not sure about placing a pure r/c on his tongue(potential chem burns?). He could just be over thinking but Swim likes to be cautious.

The way SWIM does it is he weighs out an empty gel capsule, and then once he has that weight, he notes it down. Then he uses the capsule itself to scoop bits of powder out of the baggie, or whatever sort of container the substance happens to be in, weighs it again, and repeats until he gets the desired quantity of his substance. This way there is no messing around with credit cards or residue left over on anything. The downside is that it's rather tedious to weigh out many doses of something, but SWIY probably shouldn't be experimenting with RC's so frequently that this is a significant problem anyway.

[silentpile]

liquid measurement budday!!

[nanobrain]

^i stand -neigh, sit - in awe of your linguistic and scientific prowess, dear silent...