Experiences - MDPV Experience Report(s)

[sam o]

After reading all the threads about MDPV, I don't understand the dosage factor, some say it's active(stong dose) at 10mg orally , and some say it showed nothing at all .How can that be?Can the difference in weight? (or does this substance not work like that?)
Maybe it's due to varius vendors?

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by sam o

After reading all the threads about MDPV, I don't understand the dosage factor, some say it's active(stong dose) at 10mg orally , and some say it showed nothing at all .How can that be?

People react very differently to chemical substances to begin with... and of course tolerance builds quickly. I could be off-base, but I doubt there are very many people who continue using MDPV lightly/occasionally for long (no matter what they may claim publicly, or perhaps just keep their silence). In other words, any SWIM who tries/likes it should expect to be binging/using heavily within a month, and expect tolerance to shoot up as well.

Edit -- oh yeah, there's a general stimulant cross-tolerance too, particularly anything that affects dopamine (which is most street stims). In other words, a regular user of other stims will need higher doses of MDPV.

[snapper]

10 mg is a strong dose for most monkeys. Start with 5mg.
10 mg should not be inactive in anyone.

[snapper]

Nicaine - MDPV may be safe, but SWINicaine's and other's monkeys have certainly shown that it is addictive as hell and could be responsible for serious compulsive behavior. Certainly a good marketing strategy for those SWIYs responsible for producing it. The encouraging thing is it will never be a convenient home or back-shed lab manufacture, so will probably drop out of sight sooner of later. And this is not to say is it useful for others with self control or less compulsive potential.
Strangely enough, though SWIM has been a verified coke fiend in the past, SWIM has no problem putting MDPV away. Guess it pushes everySWIYs buttons differently. Certainly seems to be addictive to a lot of SWIMs given the volume of testimonials to that effect.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by snapper

Nicaine - MDPV may be safe, but SWINicaine's and other's monkeys have certainly shown that it is addictive as hell and could be responsible for serious compulsive behavior. Certainly a good marketing strategy for those SWIYs responsible for producing it. The encouraging thing is it will never be a convenient home or back-shed lab manufacture, so will probably drop out of sight sooner of later.

That IS somewhat encouraging, but of course there's the issue of stimulant cross-tolerance. It would be all too easy to just transfer an MDPV habit to something else, and there are likely more stimulant RC's coming down the pike soon (not to mention the fact that the old street standby's probably aren't going anywhere soon).

Strangely enough, though SWIM has been a verified coke fiend in the past, SWIM has no problem putting MDPV away. Guess it pushes everySWIYs buttons differently.

I think so. And I also think susceptibility to addiction varies greatly depending on how happy/unhappy a person is with life in general, as well as their general state of emotional health. Probably even genetic factors determining susceptibility. Don't forget that SWIM was addicted to nicotine most of his life, cocaine and opiates on and off throughout the years, and was *heavily* dependent on kratom between mid '05 and mid '06. Seems like as soon as he kicked nicotine and kratom, he proceeded to jump into heavy stimulant use with both feet. If SWIM had known that might happen, he would have stuck with his daily can of snuff and 3-4 cups of kratom tea.

[snapper]

Kratom is makes a great pacifier for compulsive users off all kinds of things. Therein lies its greatest virtue...
MDPV would be a lousy choice for a pacifier...

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by snapper

Kratom is makes a great pacifier for compulsive users off all kinds of things. Therein lies its greatest virtue...
MDPV would be a lousy choice for a pacifier...

Agreed, but SWIM would never want to be dependent on kratom again (and using it *regularly* as a pacifier would definitely restart the addiction). The main W/D's only last a few days, but there's something particularly icky about that combination of akathisia and extreme fatigue. Most mornings SWIM would already be in withdrawals when he got out of bed... not a fun way to start the day. Not to mention it's really no better than opiates when over-used... doesn't do much but prevent dopesickness after awhile. SWIM's sex drive was all but wiped out as well.

[Benga]

SWIM found his first sub-dosed experiences, ~2mg,with MDPV to be quite heavy in the heart, feeling some kind of pressure / incomfort in the heart region, will the heartbeat itself was not that high. Then again, SWIM had been chewing coca at high doses as usual ( + 20gm or so), and was physically tired so it is hard to know. SWIM has no particular background of cardiac problems, and is rather fit, and doesn't smoke. he is thinking of having this checked out one of these days.

[fastandbulbous]

SWIM has no particular background of cardiac problems

Keep using coca/cocaine & you'll get there eventually...

[Benga]

Originally Posted by fastandbulbous

Keep using coca/cocaine & you'll get there eventually...

probably. SWIM rarely uses cocaine.
This is a very interesting statement, which leads SWIM to slide off topic for a second.
Would SWIY by any chance have any info on the cardiac issues related to coca ? This is one of the facts that SWIM has been looking for, yet it seems absent in even the most biased studies of traditional coca chewers.
Do regular coca chewers develop the typical cardiac complications of cocaine users, or does the low cocaine content of coca leaves, the gradual delivery of the alkaloids into the bloodstream implied by buccal absorption and the composition of the coca alkaloid cocktail itself downplay this health issue ?
Most coca chewers chew coca daily all their lives, yet it is hard to distinguish coca chewing related health issues from those related to general living conditions.
Do you have info on this particular question ?

sorry for the off topic slide, maybe these two posts should be moved to the cocaine section.

b

[snapper]

Chewing coca leaves has not been correlated with cardiac disease as far as SWIM knows, probably because it is high dose use that damages heart muscle, and chewing leaves is low dosage use. However, in combination with MDPV, there could be an additive or synergistic effect which might amount to the same stress caused to the heart as a higher dose of cocaine.. Or worse, there could be some other kind of adverse reaction going on. Best to avoid this combo in the future...

[Benga]

Originally Posted by snapper

Chewing coca leaves has not been correlated with cardiac disease as far as SWIM knows, probably because it is high dose use that damages heart muscle, and chewing leaves is low dosage use. However, in combination with MDPV, there could be an additive or synergistic effect which might amount to the same stress caused to the heart as a higher dose of cocaine.. Or worse, there could be some other kind of adverse reaction going on. Best to avoid this combo in the future...

Yes, SWIM believes this is the case. SWINicaine mentioned a "plodding" MDPV related heart rhythm. Prolonged coca chewing, at high dosages, seems to induce a very slight tachycardia - ie physically noticeable, but once measured via stethoscope, actually not that impressive- unless mixed with alcohol, as cocaethylene does become part of the picture, even if the cocaine dosage is low and progressively delivered- this combo does put a lot more stress on the system - which one will certainly feel the day after...
One thing SWIM forgot to mention was that he did have a little alcohol in his blood, as he had just gotten in from playing a concert... Ah, the habitus / addiction of social drinking...He wasn't thinking of the interactions, which in retrospect seem quite potentially heavy on the cardiac system.
SWIM understands and agrees how this kind of interaction might turn out to be problematic. SWIM was trying out a low dose of MDPV, but the heart pressure stopped him from wanting to redose then.
He has since then retried a little MDPV, with no potential cocaethylene in the bloodstream, and experienced no discomfort, even with some alcohol in the blood stream, which leads him to pinpoint the infamous-yet so pleasurable- cocaethylene factor...

[fastandbulbous]

Yeah sorry, I just included coca without thinking - it requires a decent sized dose of a local anaestheyic to be circulating in the blood to impair transmission of impulses from the sino-arterial node (pacemaker) and chewing coca is never going to reach those sort of concentrations

[snapper]

SWIM doubts it would be a problem in slowing or stopping the heart rhythm, but there is also some toxicity to the myocardium with higher doses of cocaine and other stimulants, so perhaps the additive effects could be a problem. Who knows - most SWIMs here will be dead before good long term data exists on MDPV, if ever.

[Benga]

coming back to the MDPV, SWIM's gibbons must conclude that they haven't had anything really positive so far - using insufflation through metered sprays- having toyed around the 3/4mg. Stimulation, yes, an "eye opener" shall we say, feeling more awake but no motor stimulation, and no feeling of a dopamine kick-ie being more talkative, horny, enthusiastic. More of a coffee slightly edgy irritated feeling, good as an alertness "pick swim up" but not really pleasant from a mental point of view- makes one feel rather less motivated and ready to walk home rather than push the night a little further. Should swim's gibbons pump up the (liquid) vollume ? must say that the spray is not that precise as swim was slightly anxious about the potential dangers of the dilution, and added a few mls for comfort. 10 sprays roughly equal a little under 1mg.
now maybe this is just swim's gibbons response to the substance, or a mental state issue, but must say that the gibbs were expecting more from a stim acting on dopamine, as they found their experiences with stimulants like cocaine, coca, amphetamines, and less specific ones such as MDMA, methylone and more quite pleasurable. Are the gibbons stuck at a threshold ? or do other pets feel a dopamine kick at low doses as well ?

b

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by benga

Are the gibbons stuck at a threshold ? or do other pets feel a dopamine kick at low doses as well ?

b

SWIM gets much less of a dopamine kick from lower doses, so he always doses high (and keeps things that way through constant redosing + taking downers to offset edginess). This is a great way to get profoundly addicted, but it does do the trick in terms of enjoyment. Given MDPV's low price, SWIM isn't complaining too much.

BTW, SWIM suggests small and very frequent dosing for best effects... he uses an nasal pump sprayer (between 2:1 and 5:1 mg/mL) and just hits it whenever he feels like it, with occasional plugging (rectal admin) for bigger boosts. It's also worth noting that (like coke) it can take awhile to "learn" the MDPV high, and the first few times are unremarkable.

Originally Posted by snapper

Good stuff to clean up the house in lower doses, not good for those seeking the intense, teeth gritting euphoria of good meth - at least not for SWIM, though some would beg to differ.

Agreed, but for a combined price + legality rating it can't be beat. Good meth is not cheap, nor is it easy to find (for SWIM anyway), nor legal. It's not worth the trouble, MDPV *is*. SWIM does plan to cut down though, in terms of how often he purchases the stuff... the past couple MDPV-free weeks have gone well.

[snapper]

SWIYs doses are really low to fully appreciate the effect. oral onset is fast, BTW, and insufflated doses could be higher, though starting low is a good idea. also, maybe a little more concentrated solution would lessen the amount of material dripping into the throat. SWIM started with 5mg orally and built from there usually to about 10 - 15 mg, then would put it away. SWIM did not insufflate this material after trying a few times and finding it not much better than oral onset.
That said, there are way better stims out there than MDPV. SWIM has not really had any of this intense euphoria or or turned into a porn star from this drug. Rather, SWIM has found the stimulation short-lived with frequent cravings for more, sorta like methylone, and only longer lived stimulation with redosing, also sorta like methylone. Good stuff to clean up the house in lower doses, not good for those seeking the intense, teeth gritting euphoria of good meth - at least not for SWIM, though some would beg to differ.

[ExCowboy]

Swim says he finds MDPV a wonderful compund for getting things done, like cleaning the flat, getting long boring e-mails written and sent and working through shitloads of Uni-grade maths at hyperspeed. The lack of euphoria is almost concieved as positive by SWIM as it doesn't distract him from the task at hand. The only hint of euphoria it possesses, it actually shares with another much less useful substance, namely Satans own fav stimulant - ephedrine. This euphoria is the so called "motion euphoria", that SWIM experiences. I.e it feels extra good for SWIM to take a fast walk. (FIY: SWIM gets depressed by ephedrine if not constantly in motion). However, YMMV as usual.

The biggest problem for SWIM is that he gets was he concludes to be "depletion of dopamine" after even a single dose of ~10-15 mg MVPD (either intranasal och rectally, where the latter comes with a slight kick not associated with the physical procedure!). This feeling of depletion remains for a few days and keeps him unmotivated, tired, and with a decreased cognitive function (i.e. noticably increased stupidity, wich can be VERY noticable in a Uni-setting). No craving for food whatsoever is noticed during or afterwords. Altogheter it resembles the state his lab rats would find themselves in after usage of any of the common amphetamines, for some reproduction or fat-burning in the wheel, although weaker but more prolonged. This quickly leads to SWIM taking on an appearance resembling that of the early stages of a crackfiend, wich is defenitly not sought after as even days after use drug-naïve people says things to SWIM like "What the fuck is up with you, really? You look as if your about to die, seriously!", wich of course makes SWIM sad. Even I can see what they meen- SWIM looks pale, skinny, tired and his eyes does not really send out the message "healthy", if you know what I mean.

So, any tips on rebuiliding dopamine levels a bit faster wich I can pass on to SWIM? I heard about l-DOPA, but it seemed to have some side effects I'm not sure SWIM would apprecciate. But please tell me more about it if you like and have some knowledge, and feel free to let me know of other remedies you guys might know of if you have some spare time.

Thanks for reading if you made it all the way here

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[fastandbulbous]

SWIM has not really had any of this intense euphoria or or turned into a porn star from this drug.

Well from reading about other peoples experiences om other forums, this seems to be a minority opinion of MDPV's effect on libido etc

If sex isn't the primary reason for consuming MDPV, then a much better replacement would seem to be desoxypipradrol (2-(alpha, alpha-diphenylmethyl)piperidine), as reported on one of the other drug discussion boards; no physical side effects (only mild at 20mg, which is a very large dose with no tolerance) yet strong clear mental stimulation with more general euphoria than MDPV

[snapper]

SWIM finds that what little increase in libido from this molecule is accompanied by increasing difficulty maintaining an erection. The same can be said for SWIM and BZP, only BZP is worse. The latter never fails to prevent an erection no matter what. MDMA has done this too, though SWIM has not used any in a long time. MDPV is not as bad as BZP, but makes an erection harder to maintain - SWIM has to really concentrate on it. When not on MDPV, SWIM has the opposite problem (SWIM goes too long for partner and maintains tumescence..). The transient erectile dysfunction is a SERIOUS buzzkill and SWIM does not think it is worth combining with viagra to overcome it. SWIM feels that if SWIM's unit doesn't work, best stay away from the cause of the malfunction. SWIM will still use MDPV as a stimulant in productive and tedious tasks, but never for sex. Fastandbulbous - SWIM saw desoxypipradrol mentioned on another forum that SWIY frequents. Is this something that has ever even been available, or is it a hypothetical option at this point? SWIM is not a practicing chemist and does not plan to become one, clandestine or otherwise, so would not be able to acquire it ... thanks for the suggestion though...

[fastandbulbous]

It is available, but only through custom synthesis at the moment. That said something with it;s potential & profile is bound to become more visible at some point.
Although the RC market seems primarily concerned with psychedelics, it wouldn't have too much disaster potential if they included a bit more CNS stims & dissociatives as well. The day they include strong CNS depressants or mu agonist opioids is the day I turn against it in principal (GBL has had me seriously thinking about it though and it's lack of responsibility)

[fastandbulbous]

fastandbulbous :"It is available, but only through custom synthesis at the moment"====>> are you talking about MDPV??

No, I was talking about desoxypipradrol. MDPV is much easier to obtain

[Nicaine]

Test... forum time check.

[snapper]

Funny, a lack of MDPV is actually good for SWIM's sex drive. It's amazing the individual variation with this, at least for SWIM. SWIM agrees that kratom dampens the sex drive, but not a lot.
SWINicaine - just forget about MDPV already. SWIY's sex drive will come back, but SWIY needs to let SWIY's brain readjust to real life. More MDPV will just make the adjustment take longer.
Did SWINicaine stop in time, BTW ? or is the wrath of all of DF about to descend upon SWIY if another order is placed ?

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by snapper

Funny, a lack of MDPV is actually good for SWIM's sex drive. It's amazing the individual variation with this, at least for SWIM.

SWIM does believe it's a matter of individual variation. He can also come quite easily on coke, particularly after using it steadily for a number of hours. He's always been able to orgasm (albeit with slightly more difficulty) on most subbies that cause outright anorgasmia for many. Unfortunately, he's the exact opposite with opiates/kratom... even a small amount basically shuts down his sex drive altogether.

SWIM agrees that kratom dampens the sex drive, but not a lot.

For SWIM, it utterly kills it for the length of the high, no matter what the dosage. And regular use tends to deaden it in between as well.

SWINicaine - just forget about MDPV already.

It would be nice if it were that easy. SWIM may be giving the wrong impression with his constant statements re: how bad he wants to quit stims. He's caught in the classic addict's dilemma -- he wants to quit AND he wants to keep using, in approximately equal proportion.

Here's an open secret everyone should know: The key marker of psychological addiction is ambivalence. It's right there at the heart of every single addiction that's ever existed. The only way to overcome an addiction is to first realize how deeply ambivalence is involved. That opens the door to the next step, which is a conscious loss of desire to use (thus breaking the mental standoff). Unfortunately, there's rarely any way out but through -- i.e. hitting bottom.

If the 12-step programs are right about anything, it's that "hitting bottom" is an absolute bitter, ugly and painful necessity in the overwhelming majority of cases. C'est la vie.

Did SWINicaine stop in time, BTW ? or is the wrath of all of DF about to descend upon SWIY if another order is placed ?

It's not yet time to draw conclusions... he's still rolling, but slowly (at like 1/4th his normal pace, dosing to maintain a mild buzz). It's later than he'd planned to stop, but nowhere near "all night and well into tomorrow" yet.

Basically SWIM is trying to get up the courage to face the inevitable comedown... nothing terrible, but it's pretty hard to let go of the energy, mood lift, sexual intensity and brilliant focus & go back to the regular old dull, numb-@ss mode of experiencing people take for granted as normal. It would sure as hell be nice to have some kratom around... damn .

P.S. on a related subject, SWIM has cut way back on his MDVP experience reports... has SWIY noticed? From now on he's just gonna keep 'em to himself, aside from information he feels is critical for other MDPV/stimulant users to know.

SWIM is pretty sick of hearing how disturbed people are by his "reckless" usage patterns -- which is really quite a laugh, considering how clearly his good physical health, obvious mental clarity, near-photographic memory and firm grounding in reality demonstrate how well he's doing, in spite of some pretty wretched past/present circumstances. Not to toot SWIM's horn too much, but he's really a quintessential example of a survivor.