Experiences - MDPV Experience Report(s)

[nanobrain]

the local rats - not to be mistaken for dr. nano, their humble keeper (twitching whiskers are not even the same colour) have, over the course of the chronic experiment, been subjected to a total of > 25,000mg per head.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

the local rats - not to be mistaken for dr. nano, their humble keeper (twitching whiskers are not even the same colour) have, over the course of the chronic experiment, been subjected to a total of > 25,000mg per head.

Woah... that's quite a lifetime dose of one substance (5k individual doses). Given 365 days in a year, SWIM figures that if he averaged two doses/day (a very large amount as a long-term average) it would take him nearly seven years to feed his rats that much.

It's hard to understand why anyone would feed their rats so much MDPV over an even shorter period of time, but SWIM will take their keeper's word for it... people do things for their own reasons, but he thinks it may not be fair to blame the results on the drug in a case like this (?). Ordinary beer will destroy one's liver too, if it's consumed daily by the case for a long stretch of time. I don't see that as a selling point to discourage beer-drinking though.

P.S. if the reasoning for this amount is related to what Nagognog2 said earlier, then SWIM has only one response: The human neocortex can override any craving, desire or drive. Voluntary muscles will not move without a *conscious choice* to do so, which can be made on the basis of either intelligence/rationality or the dictates of the lizard-brain. In other words, rats are excused for dosing themselves this way... IMO humans should not be. If we're back to blaming chemicals and powders for behavior, the "War on Drugs" is fully justified in order to protect the helpless/powerless/choiceless people from possession by those demonic substances.

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very good points

[snapper]

The MDPV made me do it, ossifer !

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by snapper

The MDPV made me do it, ossifer !

>25,000 mg, over the course of what appears to be (from the main MDPV thread) slightly over a year? Officer, give this man a Thorazine and three month's bed rest in the State Hospital, it would be cruel and unusual punishment to let him off with a warning!

P.S. SWIM isn't sure he's interpreting all this correctly, but if so he's really baffled... more than 2-3 days in a row of MDPV (I mean WITH sleep in between) results in physical/mental exhaustion for his rats. The cited total dose and apparent time period involved would suggest close to fourteen 5-mg doses per day, *every* day for a year. It just doesn't make sense.

[snapper]

SWIM suspects the amount might be a total for a group of rats (?), which would make more sense.
SWIM, interestingly enough, does not feel physically or mentally depleted after MDPV. However, SWIM uses the 10 mg rule. If you are going to take more than 10 mg, stop. SWIM so far has the willpower to do this (SWIM just switches to something esle if the desire to get loaded is still there). Redosing, like with methylone, is really a waste of good RCs at a certain point, though taking the attack dose in small portions 15 min apart is preferred by SWIM.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by snapper

Redosing, like with methylone, is really a waste of good RCs at a certain point, though taking the attack dose in small portions 15 min apart is preferred by SWIM.

SWIM feels that unlike methylone, MDPV redosing (or more accurately, dosing small/frequently from the start) has certain benefits. Depending on route of intake, it can be easier to control one's exact level of stimulation. Also, redosing often in small amounts tends to build up a blood level, and MDPV is so short-acting that it really needs one. Otherwise it wears off in ~3 hours (how much fun is that with a stimulant? SWIM does not think very much at all, but that's just him).

P.S. his favorite method of intake is tooting the stuff dissolved in dh2o (w/a bit of baking soda added to improve absorption), using a nasal pump atomizer. He can deliver a small boost anytime that way, and the increase in effects is detectable almost immediately.

[nanobrain]

see, now you are assuming things which i'll point out - in the spirit of lively discussion, not opposition:

-all primate / rodents are created equal (metabolisms / wetware are identical)
-presence of free will (as different to a free willie, an MDPV side effect) in the addicted mind - the mind is not the brain, as in the leg is not the walk.
-presence of viable dopaminergic neurons / receptor sites in nano's rats
-D/R curve / admin routes

hammers hammers, when the only tool at hand is a hammer, every job becomes a nail.

drain bamage is a tewwiible tewwible thing, i agree ;-)

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

-all primate / rodents are created equal (metabolisms / wetware are identical)

Say what? They're certainly similar, but there are also a number of differences (that's why one person's born with Tourette's, another with autism, another with a tendency toward depression/anxiety and another one's ostensibly 'fine').

-presence of free will (as different to a free willie, an MDPV side effect) in the addicted mind - the mind is not the brain, as in the leg is not the walk.

The mind and the brain are both conceptualized objects in memory, arising as thought (about minds/brains, and how they're the same or not the same).

-presence of viable dopaminergic neurons / receptor sites in nano's rats
-D/R curve / admin routes

Could SWIY explain those two in more detail? Or maybe this is just a good time to drop it... the subject has gotten boring.

Originally Posted by nanobrain

hammers hammers, when the only tool at hand is a hammer, every job becomes a nail.

There has never been just one tool at hand. Cheers...

[acolon_5]

SWIM and his SO have been using MDPV (or "wake the F up" as they like to call it) and have had wonderful results. They have been using it for about a week straight, one oral dose (1-3mgs) in the morning and have found no problems with daily use so far. SWIM (not his SO) has also tried IM and intranasally, but do not like these routes as they are much shorter in duration AND have a mild crash at the end (IM dose was ~1mg and IN dose was 3mgs).

Neither has found the push to re-dose (even w/ IM + IN for SWIM) but of course the doses are much lower than others that have posted here. One time SWIM tried an oral dose of 5mgs but found the side effects (jitters, anxiety, muscle tension) to be too much.

On a normal dose for them (1-3mgs) there is no euphoria, but it helps them with concentration and energy (both SWIM and his SO find lacking at times).

For them, it is a WONDERFUL tool.

KEEP THE DOSE LOW. GET AN ACCURATE SCALE IF ONE DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE ONE!

These are SWIM's findings at least.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Thanks for sharing.
	Good info on use of low doses of MDPV

[Nicaine]

SWIM would like to report a likely case of hyponatremia brought on by MDPV over-use. This was after an extremely long binge period (~4 days) followed by 4-5 days break, followed by another couple day-long binge. SWIM woke up the following morning feeling dizzy, weak, lightheaded, confused, crampy and intolerant of even slight exercise (i.e. standing and walking made him feel like passing out). He somehow managed to make a trip to the grocery store, where he experienced extreme cravings for all the high sodium foods he saw. He ended up buying a large jar of pickles and bag of potato chips, and finishing them off in the course of several hours. Aside from some nausea, he began feeling better at this point, and continued to consume high sodium foods for awhile. The problem cleared up by itself within 24 hours.

[Rush]

Originally Posted by acolon_5

SWIM and his SO have been using MDPV (or "wake the F up" as they like to call it) and have had wonderful results. They have been using it for about a week straight, one oral dose (1-3mgs) in the morning and have found no problems with daily use so far. SWIM (not his SO) has also tried IM and intranasally, but do not like these routes as they are much shorter in duration AND have a mild crash at the end (IM dose was ~1mg and IN dose was 3mgs).

Neither has found the push to re-dose (even w/ IM + IN for SWIM) but of course the doses are much lower than others that have posted here. One time SWIM tried an oral dose of 5mgs but found the side effects (jitters, anxiety, muscle tension) to be too much.

On a normal dose for them (1-3mgs) there is no euphoria, but it helps them with concentration and energy (both SWIM and his SO find lacking at times).

For them, it is a WONDERFUL tool.

KEEP THE DOSE LOW. GET AN ACCURATE SCALE IF ONE DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE ONE!

These are SWIM's findings at least.

I am completely with you. same thing for swim.
keeps at 1-1.5 mg no more.
helps concentrating.
kills the appetite.
very euphoric
another great thing: lacks in physical side effects like hyperthermia and increased heartrate.

well...better than most stimulants...
lacks with side effects...apart a short-living camedown that make swim redose...
in particular, swim's first time, the came down was a blast, carving for redosing...(and redosing of course is useful)...but is strange..the carving depression part is very short...you just have to wait a bit...(if your will can)
and the bad passes...nothing like methylone that has 1 day of down...

keep low doses..MDPV can be great!

@fastandbulbous :"It is available, but only through custom synthesis at the moment"====>> are you talking about MDPV??

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Thanks for sharing.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Rush

I am completely with you. same thing for swim.
keeps at 1-1.5 mg no more.
helps concentrating.
kills the appetite.
very euphoric
another great thing: lacks in physical side effects like hyperthermia and increased heartrate.

Fwiw, SWIM finds the same virtues at higher doses... just more of 'em. It takes quite a lot of MDPV to encounter the 'panic attack' issue, and some may never encounter it unless they mix with other stims or kratom.

Originally Posted by Rush

dose...
in particular, swim's first time, the came down was a blast, carving for redosing...(and redosing of course is useful)...but is strange..the carving depression part is very short...you just have to wait a bit...(if your will can)
and the bad passes...nothing like methylone that has 1 day of down...

SWIM believes this is due to short duration of action (plus low doses). Keep redosing and "roll" for hours/days and the comedown starts to lengthen. Any extended period of use will have a good 48 hours of depression afterward, just like all the other potent stims. Also, the immediate comedown effects (first 8 hours after it wears off) get a lot worse, and the chances of dopamine psychosis increase. Needless to say, SWIM recommends people stay away from extended periods of MDPV use.

[Nicaine]

The test of SWIM's control isn't long off... he's been rolling on MDPV about 21 hours & plans on quitting in 6 hours or so (at the latest). It'll be interesting to see if 2+ weeks away from stimulants was enough to return some control to him -- he'll post the results, one way or another.

P.S. If SWIM continues rolling through another night and on into tomorrow, he will never order MDPV again. Ever. Consider this an official public vow in that regard... he gives his word on the matter. He asks that someone quote this in a reply ASAP, so it's sealed in stone.

[wellhelm]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

The test of SWIM's control isn't long off... he's been rolling on MDPV about 21 hours & plans on quitting in 6 hours or so (at the latest). It'll be interesting to see if 2+ weeks away from stimulants was enough to return some control to him -- he'll post the results, one way or another.

P.S. If SWIM continues rolling through another night and on into tomorrow, he will never order MDPV again. Ever. Consider this an official public vow in that regard... he gives his word on the matter. He asks that someone quote this in a reply ASAP, so it's sealed in stone.

In stone.

[blinkKDX]

i think your swim needs to be more careful. experiences like swiy described are those that need to be avoided, and are so by better self control.

[snapper]

How do you know SWIY was hyponatremic? SWIM would expect the opposite, if anything. Was SWIY drinking lots of water the night before? Was SWIY urinating lots of dilute urine ? These would be a given with hyponatremia. More likely, SWIY was hungry and depleted in general unless SWIY was able to check SWIys electrolytes. Stimulant binges can take alot out of a SWIM...

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by snapper

How do you know SWIY was hyponatremic? SWIM would expect the opposite, if anything.

How about simply an extreme craving for salt, to the point of eating an entire jar of pickles, half a bag of potato chips, a bunch of lunch meat, and eyeing the salt shaker itself with extreme desire? Maybe it wasn't hyponatremia, but then what could it have been?

Was SWIY drinking lots of water the night before? Was SWIY urinating lots of dilute urine ? These would be a given with hyponatremia.

Absolutely. SWIM drinks fluids constantly when using stims, and is always pissing dilute as hell.

[fastandbulbous]

Actually, along with the other compounds with a methylenedioxy ring, I think MDPV causes some degree of urinary retention

[snapper]

SWIM's experience is that it acts as a mild diuretic.

[snapper]

A SWIM can certainly become hyponatremic from diuresis, but this is probably what caused it - not the MDPV itself. Careful with ingesting the sodium fast if it happens, since the sudden increase in blood sodium levels can cause a mother of a headache as your brain shrinks from water loss to the blood vessels around it.

[sam o]

Not to get off topic, but will MDPV come up positive in any kind of drug test?

Thanks.

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requesting sources by PM

[Nagognog2]

Not likely. They'd need a gas-chromo apparatus to even begin. It's not an amphetamine. Or a tropine. And hasn't even made the radar-screen yet.

Please keep it that way and tell any lab-monkeys to be very careful.

[sam o]

I's it legal to order from online vendors from one country to another?(mdpv)

Thanks

[Nagognog2]

It is not illegal in the USA to possess such for research purposes. This means it IS ILLEGAL to have with intent to use as a drug (FDA).

Read: Placing it in a baggie with capsules and a scale could get SWIM screwed. Also from many accounts, MDPV can have very nasty effects from long-term usage. And the effect of it invites long-term usage. SWIM should be VERY careful with this substance.

[Nicaine]

MDPV is a perniciously, insidiously addictive substance. One wouldn't think it from its initial effects (mild, Ritalin-like stimulation), but continued use over longer periods tells a far different tale. ISO clinical depression between periods of use is not uncommon, and adds suicide to the list of potential risk factors.

As far as other effects though, SWIM does not believe long-term use of MDPV is in the same ballpark as, say, long-term use of IV cocaine or smoked methamphetamine (or even snorted coke or meth). That's not to say the effects couldn't fit someone's definition of nasty from the perspective of "safe" substances like marijuana and such.

Aside from its addictiveness though, MDPV is *VERY* easy on the body and brain compared to street stimulants. This is so obvious to anyone who's used multiple stims that there's nothing further to discuss. It's like the difference between beer and whiskey... anyone who's consumed both will be crystal clear on why long-term heavy use of one is a good deal more harmful than the other.

P.S. unless something is discovered about MDPV that's currently unknown (e.g. it's a potent carcinogen), in which case SWIM will change his tune. He tends to doubt it though... after recent encounters with certain SWIYs who were responsible for inventing/promoting/synthing MDPV, SWIM feels substantially reassured about its overall safety profile. Apparently quite a bit of thought and ingenuity went into developing it, and it's been researched a bit more than most people think.