Experiences - MDPV Experience Report(s)

[magicmik]

Ok, swim apologises a little for being harsh; swim was on the worst drug (alcohol) last night. It makes him write too much.

Swim understands your view; if, as you say, you “overindulged” and have some serious experience with this substance.

However, swim still believes responsibility lies with the individual in all aspects of life.

[Synesthesiac]

There are two very distinct batches going round at the moment. One of them is likely not MDPV. Swim has sampled both and read round so this should be useful information to anyone trying this substance.

The original contaminated batches with pyrrolidine seems to have disappeared, luckily. Leaving these two.

There is the white batch that is popular in the UK due to a few UK vendors. And there is a slightly tanned color MDPV doing circles in europe, and coming over the the US and UK sometimes.

The effects seems to be that you will need about 2-3 times the dosage of the white power compared to the tan colored stuff. Swim was able to sniff 12mg of the white stuff (after testing its potency for a while) without becoming unconfortably overstimulated (infact nicely so), whereas just 6mg of the tan colored MDPV would have made him very uneasy, yes very stimulated but with dark overtones, feeling that you've proably just done a bit too much and theres a kind of anticipation that something is not quite right. Feeling was combatted perfectly with moderate dosing of NaGHB or GBL, however. So probably due purely to excessive CNS stimulation.

So, the pure white powder variety seems to need more dosing than usual MDPV, more freqent dosing, is much speedier, disturbs sleep, has no aphrosiac qualities and has an average comedown if used to excess. Side effects helped by CNS depressants.

The tan color variety is MUCH more stimulating so needs less dosage (2-5mg), acts as a POTENT aphrodisiac (which have been said to rival those of methamphetamine when dosed correctly [3]. [which trust me, swim can vouch for!]), has been noted to give an uneasy feeling when more than 5mg or so is used at once and cause panic attacks in stimulant intollerant users (well solved with CNS depressants like GHB or benzo's) also disturbs sleep and has a bloody awful comedown if too much is used, with posterial hypotension and lightheadedness often noted for a few hours after stopping.


Tan color exp:

Weight: 67kg.
Gender: Male
Method: Insufflated.
Total: 15mg + 3.5ml GBL
Main effects: An extremely potent aphrodisiac, very stimulating, very hyperactive, definate and sustained euphoria when the dosage was able to be increased with the aid of GBL to calm the nervous system.
After effects: Diffcult relaxing muscles and sleeping even after not having used it for more than six hours. And notable posteral hypotension that started about four hours after the last dose and lasted for an extra hour or two before returning to normal.

Swim insufflated 5mg (being used to the white MDPV) and felt overly stimulated within about 10 minutes. This was quickly combatted by 2.5 ml of GBL, which cured this very nicely. However the aphrosisiac qualitites of both MDPV and GBL started the inevitable procedure commencing. The state would be described as fully euphoric after the GBL has erradicated the uneasy feeling. Bordering on the euphoria felt on MDMA, but without the empathic feelings and instead a typical coke type 'I rule the world' type feeling. Swim dosed 5mg more three hours later. No uneasy feelings felt (maybe due to the GBL still being in his system), and the aphrodiaics qualities, hyperactivesness and sexual escapades continued. The final 5mg dose was sniffed another two hours later, which nearly instantly lead to the uneasy restless feeling experienced originally, so swim necked 1.5ml exra GBL to calm the jittery feeling. Worked a treat, and within ten minutes he was back to his euphoric state. Was very tempted to redose at this point, but as swims previous experience with MDPV have shown this always comes with huge consequences, so he (amazingly) resited the need to redose.

So this one only seems worthwhile if combined with something to calm your CNS to avoid the uneasy feeling with higher doses often reported, or you likely wont reach the fully desired state people have frequently reported.


White color exp:

Weight: 67kg.
Gender: Male
Method: Insufflated.
Total: 40mg + 2.5ml of GBL
Duraction: 5-6 hours
Main effects: Stimulation, hyperactivity, sped up thought,
After effects: Difficult sleeping, and felt weak the days after.

Swim started with 10mg insufflated whilst chatting to people online. An hour later he felt like redosing, and did another 10mg. Nice highly hyper state reached. Though no uneasy feeling (like the beige stuff) was produced at all. And no aphrodisiac qualities at all were noticed. The remaining 20mg was finished at about hour t+4 (~10mg an hour) and left swim higly stimulated, socialble, and chattey. No bad after effects, though definate crash and and a few more than usual hours of sleeplessness were noticed.


Now I'm speculating the tan stuff is the real MDPV, as a friends of mine recently pointed out:

"Well the white stuff I was given a bit of wasn't peevee [MDPV] as I dropped a little bit into a hot solution of potassium permanganate and there was no safrole like smell (any simple compound with a 3,4-methylenedioxybenzyl group in it is oxidized to piperonal - 3,4-methylenedioxybenzaldehyde - which has a distinct, recxognizable smell even at tiny air concentrations) - methylone, peevee, MDMA etc all produce the smell if added to hot permanganate soln, but the white stuff didn't ergo it's not peevee. As to it's full identity though, best to find someone with access to a GCMS or similar

Swim can see a big difference between the two substances, so would just like to warn people that this is probably the reason why dosages are so varied for this chem. Some people have the really potent beige color aphrodisiac MDPV, some people have the white (usually UK based) stuff which is somewhat 'speedier', and some people probably have it diluted with other inactives. People have started to buy this stuff on the cheap and cut their coke with it, which is soon gonna lead to disaster with a chemical this strong. So start low and work up, everyone seems to be ending up with different potencies for this stuff. The people claiming to do a whole gram in a night did DEFINATELY not try true MDPV. Just 20mg of true MDPV is probably enough to give you too much CNS stimulation, a panic attack, and a trip to hospital.

Any swiys got any of the tan colord stuff to test? Or even access to a GCMS? If anyones tried both it would nice to see what differences you noticed. Tan/beige colored stuff was kinda this color. The white stuff is.... well... WHITE.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	brilliant report, very detailed and well composed
	Great informative post, however please re-read it and make some corrections as some parts don't make sense "hour ho...

[snapper]

SWIM has only sampled the old pyrrolidine contaminated sample and it was fantastic stuff. The contaminant was only a problem if vaporized. SWIM has not sampled any of the new product because the descriptions made SWIM think it was not MDPV or a poor synth.
For the record SWIM's samples were a tan color, not white.

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by snapper

For the record SWIM's samples were a tan color, not white.

Yes, the tan color one looks by far the more likely chem to prove to be MDPV, as its effects are much stronger and more pleasant.

The difference between the two seems to be the aphrodisiac qualities, and the euphoria, which only seems attainable using the tan colored stuff.

Swims not touching the white again. Could be anything.

[foxydoe]

Originally Posted by Synesthesiac

Yes, the tan color one looks by far the more likely chem to prove to be MDPV, as its effects are much stronger and more pleasant.

Its more likely that one batch has more impurities that may be changing the experience considering the effects you describe aren't really all that far apart. Did you test the different batches side by side or were they at different times? Memory is highly variable as is the state of your brain.

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by snapper

SWIM has only sampled the old pyrrolidine contaminated sample and it was fantastic stuff. The contaminant was only a problem if vaporized.

Interesting. Swim never thought of smoking/vaporizing MDPV. Would probably be like the difference betwen snorting coke and smoking crack. Not something you'd wanna get into a habit doing. But probably very nice too. I would expect about a half hour duration with strong compulsion to redose, with euphoria and speedy effects. Has SwiSnapper actually got any personal experience with smoking/vaporizing MDPV and its effects?

Swim has some of the white stuff, but wouldn't dream of smoking that since no-one really seems to know what it is. Its not MDPV though, thats for sure!

And, how do you mean that it was only a problem when vaporized? I presume that this means that pyrrolidine is only damaging to the lungs, and will cause no damage by any other form of consumption.

It does seem like a fairly safe impurity compared to some of the dangerous chems produced in some bad synths.

Swim is going to have to get the beige stuff back, when his right hand, and girlfriend, recover from his previous encounter with it

[snapper]

The "aphrodesiac" effect of MDPV is really what distinguishes it from other DRIs. Outside of this, it is a relatively mild stimulant. If this property (and believe SWIM they are obvious) is absent, it is not MDPV, or there is a very small amount in the batch.

[snapper]

There are threads on smoking on other forums dating back from when the impure product was around. Pyrrolidine is not all that toxic, particularly with the 1-2% amount in the final product (10mg dose = 100=200mcg of impurity). However, it is toxic to lung tissue when vaporized. The threads did make vaporization sound as compulsive as freebase cocaine. It can be mixed with saline and insufflated in a nasal inhaler for almost the same effect and onset time (careful - also very compulsive); or SWIY can do what SWIM did, which is rub the powder into SWIYs gums. Kicks in really fast that way and no lung damage.
MDPV is a great thing when mixed with other drugs in small amounts. On its own, however, it has a narrow spectrum of effects and in the end is about as rewarding as cocaine for SWIM (ie- not - more of a waste of time). Add a psychedelic, however, and it contributes its own dimension of effects which in SWIM's opinion, compliment the experience, particularly if the aphrodisiac quality is what is desired.

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Nice tip about rubbing MDPV on the gums and a good compilation of data on smoking.

[bob_arctor]

Interesting to hear som compiled data about smoking of MDPV. SWIM never attempted it and doesn't really want to. The primary effects of MDPV for SWIM is that it
1) either makes SWIM at last break up from that party 6 in the morning and take the commuting train home or
2) clean.

No pleasant rushes, no euphorihness, no incredible stimulation of the sex life.

SWIM has had access to two batches, one from three years ago, which was more lightly brown than off white:ish and last year some more beige looking powder which requires less to get off on. Both have clear MDPV action though, wholly unlike ethcath or what else could have been substituted for.

[dr ACE]

Swimery has tried tanned batches and white ones. The white batch avilable last year seems to be peeevee but the batch going around this year does seem different, different smell more kind of minty,and has differrent effects profile more stimulating and less aphrodisiac qualities. Is there any possibility that the 'new' white batch could be pyrovalerone or prolintane?? as was stated earlier without access to GMCS anyalisis it is impossible to say for sure

[Synesthesiac]

Someone who isn't me has tried (very tentitively) to smoke both the tanned/beige batch and the white batch thats popular in the UK.

The white UK batch did hardly anything at all. 8mg was placed in a vaporiser and inhaled and held in for 20 seconds. There was no immediate rush, although within a few minutes swim could certainly notice a slightly stimulated effect. He also felt compelled to do another one another twenty minutes later, even though the effects of the first didn't seem that great. Which shows it probably did do something, although quite subtle. I dont think that the *pure white* MDPV is MDPV at all anymore (never did for that matter). Though the vendor selling it is thought to be very respectable and reliable. Swim has been in contact with him to try to get him to divulge more information to see if he has tested it personally to ensure it is MDPV. Been a week now, no reply.

For the the tanned batch 2mg was placed in a vaporizor (as swim knows the tanned is MUCH stronger than the white) and also inhaled and held for 20 seconds. Before it had been breathed out the buzz could be felt, a rush of euphoria and speediness. Swim just lay back in a state of bliss for a few minutes, and then felt like dancing around the room. Swim felt incredibly horny too, but when he tried to actually act on this with a bit of good old porno the aphrodisiac induced rush was immense, so much so that swim could not continue, and swim had to relax for a minute! Theres a reason why this stuff had been nicknamed "peeves" [ie, pervert powder!]. Lasted about 15-20 minutes in all, residual effects lasted about 30-40 minutes then it was back to baseline. With a VERY strong temptation to redose. Though with all the bad batches and unidentified chems going around in the MDPV market at the moment, swim was able to resist for fear of contaminants.

I would not recommend trying smoking MDPV (specially the beige color one) if you have an addictive personality. I can see how you may end up one of those people that buy some meth just to smoke a few casual pipes, and then end up smoking a pound of meth in a day and schitzing out. I would never go IM or IV with it thats for sure. Would be far too addictive for my liking.

When vendors sort out their batches and we have someone make 100% sure it is MDPV then swim might consider retrying it in the future. Until then Swims done with experimenting with things no-one seems to have a clue what they are.

Luckily all swims MDPV's gone now. Swim seemed to like it to much and was starting to get a bit carried away with the stuff.

[keeyn]

SWIM knows SWIH that has been quoted XXX for 500g of MDPV. I've been reading up on this and considering the same source (who has been reliable for 500g mcat at XXX) does this seem far too cheap??? SWIM isnt mentioning anything to do with sources!
But does XXX for 500g of MDPV seem far too cheap?
thanks

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you need to check the prices rule mate

[dr ACE]

chemicals in the HCl salt form will vapourize quicker, but chemicals in base form will melt slower, so if the ammount required to get high is larger then every 10 mg counts, so you want it to burn slower and increse efficiency. Since the ammount of MDPV that is required is so small it does'nt matter what form it happens to be

[nibble]

Originally Posted by dr ACE

chemicals in the HCl salt form will vapourize quicker, but chemicals in base form will melt slower, so if the ammount required to get high is larger then every 10 mg counts, so you want it to burn slower and increse efficiency. Since the ammount of MDPV that is reuired is so small it does'nt matter what form it happens to be

Ah right of course, thanks to both of you!

[Marathe]

SWIM just received his first 500mg of (supposed) MDPV from a UK vendor -- fluffy, white powder, with what could be a vaguely minty smell, as reported by others, but which might just as easily not be. Approx. 15mg, insufflated 1.5 hrs ago, hasn't done that much more than a few cups of strong coffee. Approx. 10mg, smoked, tasted sweet and gave SWIM an immediate rush, but not much more. Perhaps SWIM's standards are just a little too high . . .

[foxydoe]

Probably expecting too much, low doeses are as you describe and high doses give most people intense jitters, shaky cracked out look and lots of paranoia.

[Synesthesiac]

Swim has recently been experimenting recently with vaporising (the white variety, "99+% verified purity) MDPV and is not very experienced with vaporising chemicals in general but has has noticed two things. First once placed in the glass pipe and slowly heated the substance will melt into a clear liquid and evaporate creating plenty of smoke which when inhaled has a distinct (quite nice) taste. If the liquid is heated further it rapidly becomes brown, and will then eventually evaporate again completely, this time leaving a lot more smoke and (the one times swim tried inhalation of this) it tasted very harsh and different from the first. Neither smokes gave any really appreciable euphoric buzz, but a slight increased alertness and sociability was noted for about 20-40 minutes.

Swim was just wondering whether this is normal behaviour for vaporizing chemicals. Is it common for them to change color during the heating, and for people to inhale the smoke after this change? Or does this imply that the chemical is being being burnt rather than vaporized? Swim though he better check before continuing his research.

[dr ACE]

from swims experience of 'smoking' MDPV anyway, not sure of other chemicals its best to just place it ontop of some inactive plant material or ash then burn it slowly like you would crack. It seems to melt/burn at a specific temprature and vapourizing maybe makes it too hot and destroys the MDPV

[Matthijs85]

SWIM tried snorting ~10mg while watching a football match. SWIM was slightly more euphoric and enthusiastic than usual, but expected a little more spectacular effects. Next time SWIM will try it in a setting in which he will get more physically active than sitting on a couch, and than see what the effects will be like.

[lewk]

A pretty general question here,

having not used MDPV myself, can anyone provide me with some information for SWIM.. Roughly how long is the duration of the effects of MDPV when taking orally, with a normal dose of about 10mg?

compared to the effect duration of a normal (~5mg) insuffilated dose?

If anyone has experiences relative to these doses and methods of ingestion, can you share a rough guess of the duration of effects?

Cheers

[latac]

My pet t-rex says it's about the same as if you sniff it, it just takes more time to kick in (for my t-rex: empty stomach ~ 35minutes) and the effect is about half if taken orally.

So 10mg orally is about the same as 5mg sniffed - but could wary from supplier to supplier.

[JAKEY]

SWIM thought that MDPV was quiet good when he got it but has changed his mind.

It is easy to be compulsive on this stuff and then get too high when you are tense and cannot relate to anyone. It also doesn't bring that much clarity to things.

It could be good, according to SWIM, to have a bump to take the edge off of drunkeness or to keep yourself awake if you have had a massive clubbing weekend and turn up at work on Monday morning after rolling out a club at 7am.

For doing work I prefer ephedrine.

[latac]

My pet T-Rex loves techno and hard techno on 15-20mg!

[Matthijs85]

In SWIM's experience, MDPV is (a little bit) more effective when taken orally..

[Euphoric]

Originally Posted by Matthijs85

In SWIM's experience, MDPV is (a little bit) more effective when taken orally..

In what sense? Better/longer effects? Less quantity required for effects? Less comedown? Please elaborate.