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Old 29-10-2006, 21:52
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Ghb Iv

Anyone tried??

I guess it's dangerous with home-made ghb but has anyone tried to shoot it??

I know it's possible but haven't read any report on the subject.
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Old 30-10-2006, 02:17
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Re: Ghb Iv

Dunno about that. That's a hell of a lot of material to inject .
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Old 30-10-2006, 12:46
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Re: Ghb Iv

At a glance, the only things I could find referenced it's IV use as pre-surgical sedation back in the 1960's.
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Old 30-10-2006, 13:12
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Re: Ghb Iv

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At a glance, the only things I could find referenced it's IV use as pre-surgical sedation back in the 1960's.
Yes, but most medical studies made on ghb use this method of administration to rats or humans.

Apparently no one has used this method with recreational purposes. It is strange, cause you can see in this forum that swim and his crazy friends are always shooting up all kind of drugs. Maybe you can't shoot the salt form and you have to convert it into free base?
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Old 30-10-2006, 15:20
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Re: Ghb Iv

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Yes, but most medical studies made on ghb use this method of administration to rats or humans.

Apparently no one has used this method with recreational purposes. It is strange, cause you can see in this forum that swim and his crazy friends are always shooting up all kind of drugs. Maybe you can't shoot the salt form and you have to convert it into free base?
No SWIY can't!
The basic knowledge to know about GHB is: It is not a basic amine like speeds or crack. It is a salt of a hydroxyacid. so, in anyhow, if SWIY converts it back using acid, which yeild the thermodynamically unstable gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, it will hastely cyclize itself and become gamma-buterolactone (GBL) [[Note: Read the 'Polyfuctional acid' section in Organic Chem textbooks for detailed info]]. Plus, GBL is irritating solvents to the membranes of our body. so, in conclusion, NO! dont IV it. the salt can be IV'ed if it is in proper concentration(but unpoppular due to side effects SWIM cant remember) but the converted form CAN'T if SWIY dont want dead vein tissues.
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Old 30-10-2006, 15:43
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Re: Ghb Iv

Though GHB salts are very soluble, one would need to dilute the solution, so one would still be left with a rather large amount of liquid.
Also, SWIM thinks due to the strong respiration supressing qualities of GHB, one would need to inject it very, very very slowly to prevent respiratory supression.

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V. sensible statement about the necessity for slow injection.
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Old 31-10-2006, 23:23
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Re: Ghb Iv

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Though GHB salts are very soluble, one would need to dilute the solution, so one would still be left with a rather large amount of liquid.
Also, SWIM thinks due to the strong respiration supressing qualities of GHB, one would need to inject it very, very very slowly to prevent respiratory supression.
A solution of 500mg/ml would be fine? With 3-4 ml effects could be felt and risk would be low
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Old 01-11-2006, 04:52
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Re: Ghb Iv

No, it would not. This is a very bad idea, to put it mildly.
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:35
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Re: Ghb Iv

I'd have to agree with that, *why* would SWIY want to shoot it? By all accounts it is not the sort of high that would benefit from being iv'd anyway.

Personally SWIM can't stand needles but he has noticed that there seem to be a small proportion of ppl who seem to want to shoot any old crap into their veins.

Seriously fella, let this one go !
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Old 01-11-2006, 13:19
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Re: Ghb Iv

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I'd have to agree with that, *why* would SWIY want to shoot it? By all accounts it is not the sort of high that would benefit from being iv'd anyway.

Personally SWIM can't stand needles but he has noticed that there seem to be a small proportion of ppl who seem to want to shoot any old crap into their veins.

Seriously fella, let this one go !
I don't where you got the idea that swim wants to shoot it, but just to let you all know he never wanted, and he never will, he was just curius, as you can see in previus post, since he read reports of studies using this method it is weird that no one tried this method with recreational purposes that's all.
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Old 02-11-2006, 05:59
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Re: Ghb Iv

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I don't where you got the idea that swim wants to shoot it, but just to let you all know he never wanted, and he never will, he was just curius, as you can see in previus post, since he read reports of studies using this method it is weird that no one tried this method with recreational purposes that's all.
No offense mate, but asking in a forum if anyone has any knowledge about shooting a substance usually means that SWIY is interested in shooting it themselves.

So that is where I, and probably everyone else who read your first post, got the idea.
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Old 02-11-2006, 13:28
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Re: Ghb Iv

You can't delete your posts
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Old 02-11-2006, 22:36
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Re: Ghb Iv

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No offense mate, but asking in a forum if anyone has any knowledge about shooting a substance usually means that SWIY is interested in shooting it themselves.

So that is where I, and probably everyone else who read your first post, got the idea.
Non taken. Swim isn't that crazy/stupid yet. He is always somehow curious about this substance doesn't know why. He is relatively newbie in drugs so needles are far far away from swim plans.

Thanks for answering anyway.
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Old 06-11-2006, 04:54
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Re: Ghb Iv

Anyone who wants to be the first to shoot GHB or GBL will probably also get the distinction of being the last.
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Old 07-11-2006, 14:57
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Re: Ghb Iv

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Anyone who wants to be the first to shoot GHB or GBL will probably also get the distinction of being the last.
This is from CERI.

http://www.ceri.com/feature.htm

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GHB also stimules pituitary growth hormone (GH) release. One methodologically rigorous Japanese study reported nine-fold and sixteen-fold increases in growth hormone 30 and 60 minutes respectively after intravenous administration of 2.5 grams of GHB in six healthy men between the ages of twenty-five and forty [Takahara, 1977].
and later on

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GHB has a decades long track record of use as a general anesthetic. Administered intravenously, an anesthetic dose of GHB is in the range of 4-5 grams for a 150-pound person [Vickers, 1969]. Its advantages as an anesthetic include low toxicity, relatively few contraindications, slowing of the heart rate without loss of blood pressure, the absence of irritation to the veins with intravenous administration, muscle relaxation, absence of respiratory depression (usually), reduction of body temperature (hypothermia), and various protective and anti-shock actions [Laborit, 1964].
Many people have done, under medical conditions that doesn't apply to recreative users.
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Old 07-11-2006, 19:03
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Re: Ghb Iv

Shooting anything is a way bad idea!!
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Old 08-11-2006, 05:09
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Re: Ghb Iv

Any research on shooting GBL?
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Old 27-01-2007, 17:57
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Re: Ghb Iv

GBL would cause immense vein irritation, very bad idea!
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Re: Ghb Iv

GHB can and is used safely by rec users IV, it's just not common. Reason being that the only real advantage one gets from iv is an instant onset of action instead of waiting. An intolerant user can tolerate easily 2g generally just falling asleep at worst. This should not be taken as carte blanche t go stupid you should still tread carefully as with using any drug IV.
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Re: Ghb Iv

SWIM injected pharmaceutical grade GHB, the sodium salt. This was 8 years ago. Dose was unknown but less than a gram for sure as the GHB came with a plastic spoon to measure 1g.
The only effect noted was the body becoming very warm almost instantly.
He used to take GBL everyday at that time so GHB felt underwhelming most of the time.

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