Experiences - LSD or DOx?

[MaxCamel]

So swim finally came across some acid, after searching for a while...swim is a weekly E user and wanted to try the whole candyflippin thing..
night one i decided to just trip on the acid , since it had been a few years since i ate paper..
i figured i save the candyflipping for the next night..

The thing is this LSD (white unpref. blotter)didnt seem anything like what I remember back in the late 90's.
took almost 2-3 hours to feel it which caught my attention right away..and me and my boy wasnt dying laughing on the floor bout to piss our pants, like I remebered...we laughed at shit, just not at everything and anything like i remember.
The duration of the acid was long as hell too. I tripped a good 14 hours off 4 hits and my boy had never tripped and he tripped almost 24 hours..is this possible?
the trip seemed mild also to me..


So basically im asking does this sound like a RC?
maybe one of those DOx ones?

Reputation Comments on this post:

good post but try to use swim more consistently.

[Dogears]

The 2 to 3 hours suggest it might be a DOX compound. SWIM had done lost of LSD back in the day and always found that high dosse tended to last a long time, 12+ hours. But with LSD it shuoldn't take more than an hour before you feel initial effects, unless the dose is very low. If the dose is high hower LSD can kick in, in as little as 25 mins.

[MaxCamel]

yea the effects took awhile to kick in and thats what made me wonder in the first place.

[rodent]

Did SWIM tell you how/if the blotter tasted?
Real LSD should have no taste or possibly a very slight metallic taste (though usually SWIM would have to have tasted it many times to recognize it).
With DOx compounds, blotters almost always have a very bitter taste.

If it is indeed DOx or another chemical, be very careful about upping the dosage. Many RC's have a very steep dose/response curve and a trip can quickly turn very heavy if too much is taken.

I'd agree with Dogears though that it does sound like a DOx type substance from what you have described so far.

Buyer beware!

[zera]

The 2-3 hours and the 24 hours tripping makes me almost certain it's a DOx compound, probably DOB as a few months ago there was some blotter going around that was advertised as LSD but actually was DOB.

[raven3davis]

haha SWIM likes your laughter theory.

LSD makes SWIM laugh a lot too. 2+ hour comeup and 24 hour duration almost certainly means DOX. LSD can last over 24 hours but the dose required would be very high and it would kick in within 20 minutes or so.

Ask your labrate about taste. SWIM tasted some DOB blotter and there is no mistaking the bunkness of the taste. LSD blotter doesnt have that strong of a taste. DOX will leave a rancid taste in your mouth for a few minutes.

[MaxCamel]

Swim said the taste was deffinately strong tasting, he almost didnt like chewing it.
He didnt really notice the metallic taste either.
So does any of these DOx chems. seem kinda like a "milder" version of acid?

[Nagognog2]

They can be like a milder version. But they are extremely dose-sensitive. Taking one dose of 3mg of DOB can be fun for some people - if they don't mind being rather wired for 24 hours. But if they figure it's just weak acid and take 2 hits, or more - then all hell can break loose.

This is what happened when some idiot (Owsley) released STP (DOM) back in 1966-7. It filled the ER's with freaked-out casualties.

[CrookedEye]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

This is what happened when some idiot (Owsley) released STP (DOM) back in 1966-7. It filled the ER's with freaked-out casualties.

Perhaps, naive or a bit overzealous, but swim'd hardly call Owsley an idiot.. His innovations in the sound industry alone have helped create the modern sound systems today, not to mention the purity of the LSD he created... Bear may have been a bit wild in his beliefs and convictions, but he is not a stupid man, in SWIM's opinion, of course...

As to the drug, sounds like a DOx compound to swim...

[Nagognog2]

Allow me to re-phrase: Idiot Savant. Look it up. LOL!

[CrookedEye]

hehe, I suppose he is eccentric...

[Paracelsus]

1) Owsley's pills where 10mg DOM each.
2) All those hippies where used to the effects of LSD and after they didn't feel any effects after 30 minutes, some took one or two more hits.
3) These doses (20-30mg) are now known to be extremely high and long-lasting.
4) Being used to LSD, most users thought the effects would be around 12 hours. But extremely high doses can last up to 72 hours. This was one main reason why they where freaking out.
5) At the hospitals, the doctors thought they where just full of LSD and gave Thorazine to them (calms down LSD trippers), but thorazine potentiates the effects of DOM.

[Nagognog2]

Actually, the very first pills Owsley foisted on the public were 20mg. The effects were drastic. Then out came the 10mg pills...duh. He just didn't get it yet.

DOM caused people given thorazine to exhibit reactions similar to a toxic dose of atropine. Not good. Valium is now given to people on overdoses/bad trips caused by DOx molecules. At least it has been some places - with good results. Other places have no idea what is going on and give nothing out of fear of causing an even worse reaction. If one finds themself in such a situation, tell the attending physician that benzodiazepines can be safely administered.

[tone3721]

Bear, and various friends may have been a bit naive to the effects of dom, in the 60's. The fact is tho, without them turning on the world, on a crusade to free our minds. We probably wouldnt be so much as even chatting about any of this. Hell this forum most likely wouldnt even exist. Respect, and infinite blessings to them.

[Nagognog2]

Actually, it was Aldous Huxley who made the possibilities of psychedelics known to the Western mind, as well as R. Gordon Wasson - and many others. To say that overdosing the people that were interested in consciousness expansion was a stepping-stone to our current knowledge is, at best, ludicrous.

That overdosing people on DOM had to be the way to, or having a well-meaning buffoon like Tim Leary preach to the masses from a donated mansion, lead the charge has had the effect of stopping all "legitimite" research for over 40 years. Despite the questionably good intentions of such early entrepreneneurs, the lasting effect was the suppression of such research.

If Mr. Owsley would care to refute such, I more than welcome a dialogue.

As I have said before, and will again - if Tim Leary stands up again now that the research is beginning again - would someone please run him over?

[tone3721]

Hey now,

Who ever said that overdosing the people inetrested in consciousness expansion was a stepping stone to anything? Just that without Bear...and really...her, deciding to keep manufacturing LSD after its prohibition(in massive quantities). The world would surely be different today. Actually its quite a toss between Hubbard and huxley, as to who was first. Maybe huxley by months or a year.

The reason research has been "suppressed" is because of the CIA, LSD shouldnt be abused as mind control. It will backfire on you every time, in one form or another.

I dont think Mr. STANLEY will be offering any dialogue to swin on this subject. Often perceived as cantankerous, but swit thinks dialogue tooting his own horn about turning on the masses, might seem a bit egotistical. At least swit probably would in his shoes. Turning on so many, doesnt mean you dont posess a certain level of humility.

Also, Tim Leary will never be standing up against anything again, at least in this dimension, in this lifetime.....as he is DEAD!!!! (Just to catch you up a lil on what has gone on in the last 10 years or so.) Leary never stood up to anything, but the freedom to control his own mind. What Tim said and meant was right on, how the media construed it was right off. Im guessing swin's not from the states, you dont seem to recognize the massive role our govt and media through propaganda has played in this story to date. Perhaps, because you didnt grow up all around it. If so, it really isnt swin's place to talk about any societal or political views, or to point the fingers at anyone. If your not from the states you have no clue what your talking about in regards to our society until youve lived it. How could a foreigner to the states understand American issues? Hell, most of the politicians who run this country have no clue or understand the issues, because theyve never lived it, living sheltered elite lives since birth. Completely out of touch with whats happening. Our own govt is who really set this wheel turning, we as american people(excluding tone3721) just gave it extra spin when Uncle Sam hit the brakes.


"IN THE LAND OF THE DARK, THE SHIP OF THE SUN......."

[rodent]

If your not from the states you have no clue what your talking about in regards to our society until youve lived it. How could a foreigner to the states understand American issues?

Heh, Nag IS from the states (as far as I can tell) and knows plenty of the American media and how it works. I believe he's had plenty of experience with the US gov also but then, maybe if you had read a few of his 4000+ posts you'd know that by now.

The reason research has been "suppressed" is because of the CIA, LSD shouldnt be abused as mind control. It will backfire on you every time, in one form or another.

I fully agree with you there. The CIA had the most to do with taking the legit research out of the hands of scientists, imo.

[tone3721]

After reading a few other posts seems was a student at MIT. (first one ive seen, referring to origins.) Still not seeing how one could point the finger at the people. Leary an entrepreneur? Leary wasnt a chemist, and as far as swit knows, never profited from the sales or manufacture of lsd. Bear on the other hand could be seen as an entrepreneur, but according to him, and those that were there, he gave more away, than he sold. Again it was the media who made him out as a "LSD millionaire". The "war" on drugs is a war on consciousness, and whose lining whose pockets in washington, not a fight for our safety and health. An attempt to control the way we view and think, more like forcing us to think as "they" do. Not allowing us to think as we wish, if we wish to alter our perceptions with psychedelics. You must be one with the borg. The reason research has been so slow is because of a govt who has done wrong, covers it up, and never admits to any mistakes. Maybe the real mistake was sandoz allowing the CIA to buy the worlds supply, who of course had the intentions, of abusing it. Typical of a pharmaceutical company to not give a damn, as long as its a legal sale/and or patent. US govt? What a great client, who cares what they use it for, theyre buying tons of it!! lol
God damn the (legitimate) pusher man. Mmmmm methylphenedate, its whats for dinner. Who needs to raise em when you can just pump em full of drugs, and mesmerize them with a television. Then wonder why they grow up to be crackheads, when youve been feeding them speed since they were 8. Then again, maybe sandoz never knew, maybe the CIA kept it under wraps. Youd think theyd be interested in how it was being administered tho.

Getting more relative to the topic, was probably DOx, if it had a taste. Especially a white blotter, with no ink or coloring. The ink has been claimed to be the culprit, for bitter taste before.

[Nagognog2]

This is the second time in a week that someone has assumed that I am from Europe. I usually go along with such whenever I travel. Being an obvious Amerikan can get you killed these days.

I have no doubt the blotter in question was DOB or similar. There has been a plethora of white, un-marked blotter around for decades that was a DOx compound. My guess is that the Mafia is behind it. Some Family Don's kid was interested in chemistry, so Daddy bought him an underground laboratory for his birthday.

[MaxCamel]

thanks NAG..seems like it was a DOx compound now after reading all the replys.
-one thing swim forgot to mention about the experience was his buddy's leg started to hurt a little bit, like a charlie horse,(they were surfing earlier) and he couldnt get that shit out of his head..all night, says it hurt more as the trip went on..(all in his head?)
So swim should probably avoid most white un-marked blotter?..and use his black-light when he can?

[tone3721]

No way, doesnt matter what its on. Swim should get to know basic properties of the compound(s) he/she is or could be dealing with, and know his/her source well enough too know if they are reputable, and know what theyre dealing with.

Nag: Swit has heard rumors of some wiseguys in NY during the 70's that took an interest to psychedelics manufacture. Wouldnt be a too far out thought really.

[CrookedEye]

Originally Posted by MaxCamel

So swim should probably avoid most white un-marked blotter?..and use his black-light when he can?

White unmarked blotter has sometimes been the best swim has eaten, and it was real LSD.. The blacklight is a nice idea, though...

As for Bear, if you go to his site, (just google: BEAR'S ART PAGES) and click essays.. He is pretty far out, but on the other hand, he did make some of the purest acid and supported the Grateful Dead, being their soundman, as well as paying for much of their living expenses and helping to create the modern sound systems in use today..

This alone has led a counterculture, generations wide, to the young and old, and all forms of people, from businessmen to beggars.. It led a following in which the values of family living, helping out others, enjoying good times and tunes, and living on the road all culminated into a lifestyle for people from all walks of life with varying interests.. It was the stage for people to express these interests and be accepted by a community, no matter what you thought.. The common thread was the music and the love...

The Grateful Dead were just the "house band" and made the audience the real party, and that is why thousands of people followed them for over 30 years.. Even today, if one goes to a Dead event, they can see much of the magic, although, some of the values have been lost by a younger, more material, generation..

In swim's opinion, Owsley played his part...

[grandbaby]

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

The blacklight is a nice idea, though...

Ehrlich's Reagent is your friend!

[Nagognog2]

I know about this as well. Quasi-Hippie Wiseguys from the Bronx. There was so much of that shit they were almost begging people to take it off their hands. No doubt a few million cards are still in circulation. Yech! Too bad DOB, unlike LSD25, doesn't break down rapidly with improper storage.

[Nagognog2]

Yup. Two things that look identical may well be utterly different on the molecular level. Likely the white-blotter with DOB was made to look like real LSD25-bearing blotters. Certainly not the other way around.