AET is better then XTC?

[nikonikad]

I found only 2 reports of AET 1. of Shulgin but he self wrotes: "There is a real possibility that my weekly use of MDMA for writing might have built up a tolerance to the stimulation of this material"


(with 100 mg, orally) "A nearly imperceptible feeling of well-being and pleasure was noted about 80 minutes later, and seemed completely gone at three hours.'


(with 105 mg, orally) "Very slowly soluble in water and mildly bitter. I was aware of something just before a half-hour, and at one hour I had a light-headed sparkle and felt light of body. It is like speed without the cardiovascular, or like a psychedelic without the visuals. I can see how it was sold in Chicago as MDMA. At two hours, a slight cooling of the feet, a bit of unsureness in the gut, a tendency to squeeze the teeth together, a trace of eye-wiggle, and a tendency to talk with my ears popped. Four and a half hours, largely out, with some residue in eyes and teeth. Six hours baseline, and fine sleep. No residue."


(with 110 mg, orally) "I am in a very different place. It's exciting but at the same time I don't know what to do with the energy. It makes my eyes want to close."


(with 120 mg, orally) "Very keen, pure euphoria, feels great. Reaches +3 in about one hour. Sharply focused feelings very strong, strong energy push. Keeps rising until it goes over the top and begins to break up. The pure tone of euphoria gets joggled with other feelings, like a bit too much to handle. Not really uncomfortable, but not as nice as the earlier color=#0000ff+2 stage. A wall seems to grow around me. I am being shut off from intimate contact with others. But in a couple of hours the push of the drug diminishes, and I get more comfortable. The day ended beautifully."


(with 130 mg, orally) "There was a smooth onset of relaxation at about 55 minutes with only a trace of motor intoxication. Both radio and television seemed more enjoyable than normal and there was a definite enhancement of the beauty of instrumental music. The effect seemed to peak at about 150 minutes and was essentially gone at the five hour point. There were never any visuals nor any type of sensory distortions, just warm pleasant feelings. No interference with sleep was noted, and there were no after-effects the next day."


(with 150 mg, orally) "My dosage level was the highest of the group, but to my surprise, it had almost no effect whatsoever. A plus-one, if anything. After the peak, as I was slowly coming down, I was aware of feeling slightly depressed. This state continued until I achieved baseline, but was not severe enough to prevent me from participating in the general good spirits of the group. There is a real possibility that my weekly use of MDMA for writing might have built up a tolerance to the stimulation of this material. I think that that may be close to the answer. Would I take it again? Not with much enthusiasm. It didn't give enough exciting rewards."


(with 160 mg, orally) "A strong feeling of being-at-peace was evident in an hour, although there was some concentration required to do things in a coordinated way. I wouldn't want to drive a car. There seemed to be very easy drifting of thoughts but no visuals or sensory distortions. There were no GI disturbances anywhere along the line except for some loose stools the next morning. Appetite was slightly depressed, but food tasted very good. Sex at the 2-hour point showed some difficulty in reaching orgasm but significantly enhanced pleasure during orgasm once it was attained. A very slight tremor could be detected in the fingers around the peak of the experience. There was a desire to talk with friends somewhat reminiscent of MDMA; I am sure that this drug could be quite a social-enhancing material. The effects wore off gradually and were essentially gone by the six hour point. Sleep was unaffected, however the next morning there was a slight feeling of dullness and possibly hang-over which quickly wore off."


I found also a interessting trip report on erowid





Back in the mid to late 80s AET was legal and available through the usual chemical suppliers. It was very cheap 30-40 dollars for 100 grams.

I did it every weekend for months on end and found it to be quite pleasant. I mixed it with other drugs such a mushrooms and LSD which potentiated the effects. By this I mean both drugs potentiated the effects of the other. There were also many others who joined in, both male and female, and most everyone enjoyed it. There was an occasional user who got sick at the beginning and once they got through the inital wave of nausea they usually had a great time. Sometimes someone would claim not to feel anything at all. A few others thought it was awful. For the most part the effects were very much like MDMA.

In my particular case I enjoyed this more than MDMA as it was a bit more euphoric and lasted longer with a longer drop off toward the end. By this I mean instead of suddenly wearing off it would gradually let you down. It gave everything a very nice glow, everything was very warm and it really opened up empathy channels.

I'm not really sure what the dosage amount was. We simply filled 00 gel caps and ate them. Sometimes we would eat one full cap and several smaller caps throughout the night which would extend the peak out for several hours.

As with most drugs of this nature there was a hangover the next day or so but the first day you were still kind of riding the glow of the night before. I must admit that after months of weekly use I did feel frayed around the edges for a month or so after discontinuing use but I got over it and felt it was worth it and if I could time travel back to the point in my life I would do it all over again.

[Alfa]

Alpha-Ethyl Tryptamine is available trough the pharmacy on prescription. I heard from reliable source that it is a mao-inhibitor, which makes it less fun for me. I stopped my search for it.

[fiets]

sounds interesting

[Gahaba22]

Monamineoxidase inhibitors can be very dangerous. Proceed with caution1



geeb

[dr ACE]

you need to have a special diet if you use these kind of drugs properly,incase you mix certian foods with high tryptamine content which can casue low blood presure and otherdangerous side effects.

[Lynchx]

I had actually did AET around 2 years ago, I didnt think much of it, I enjoyed MDMA alot better.

[astenu]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Alpha-Ethyl Tryptamine is available trough the pharmacy on prescription. I heard from reliable source that it is a mao-inhibitor, which makes it less fun for me. I stopped my search for it.

do you happen to know the brand name for this prescription?
i believe it was called monase back in the 60's in the US..Not sure about other countries

[radiometer]

There is a real possibility that my weekly use of MDMA for writing might have built up a tolerance to the stimulation of this material.

Not that it makes a difference, but it was Ann Shulgin who wrote those words.

[Nagognog2]

a-ET is no longer a prescription drug. It is a Schedule I controlled substance in the USA. It was called Monase back in the 1060's when it was briefly used as an anti-depressant. It was withdrawn when some toxicity was noted. It became illegal in the 1980's after some one began selling it as a type of XTC.

[radiometer]

It's not a very safe compound. This post from another board covers the subject well:

Originally Posted by hugo24

It used to be sold as antidepressive and I'm sure there are more human data available.I think it was withdrawn because of Agranulocytosis(?).

700mg was deadly,found this:

" Etryptamine, a new designer drug with fatal effects

Summary Capsules with etryptamine have been commonly available on the market since the middle of 1985. Up to 1962 this CNS-stimulating, monoamine-oxidase-inhibiting drug was sold as an antidepressant (Monase). A case of fatal intoxication is reported. The exact amount of etryptamine taken several hours before death are not known, but it could have been in the range of 700 mg. This drug was detected in tissue by means of common analytical techniques (GLC, GC-MS, HPLC, TLC). Etryptamine cross-reacts with the Emit-st amphetamine assay and can also be detected in urine using these techniques. The level in postmortem blood was 1.1 mg/l. The effects the young man showed were like those known from intoxication with amphetamines, MAO inhibitors, and thymoleptics. Malignant hyperthermia is discussed as a possible cause of death. It is suggested that trade in etryptamine should be controlled.

Key words Etryptamine, fatal intoxication - Poisoning, etryptamin"

http://www.springerlink.com/(nj0yckz...lts,1:101167,1

[snapper]

Agranulocytosis is the loss of the bone marrow's ability to produce white cells (neutrophils, eosinophils and basophils). It is different from aplastic anemia in that the red blood cell and platelet lines, which also reside in the bone marrow, survive.
Agranulocytosis is essentially what the 'boy in the bubble' has.
Reason enough for SWIM never to use this stuff, not to mention it's illegality and high effective dose... This condition should be emphasized to those who choose to experiment with this chem. Keep in mind that this effect is may not be dose dependent, but rather individual sensitivity. Cure would theoretically be a bone marrow transplant if the effect does not reverse with discontinuation of use of the drug. SWIM was unable to find more specific data on this condition with this drug so maybe it is not true. SWIM wouldn't want to find out.
If anyone has a reference for this condition, please share.

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good post and explination

[astenu]

i should mention the antidepressant drug Remeron has also been known to cause Agranulocytosis, yet is widely still prescribed despite the risk.

[Nagognog2]

Shulgin goes into this drug, and dismisses the agranulocytosis caused by it as non-threatening. The possible death by this is likely due to other causes, but we can't know for certain. Perhaps individual sensitivity? Who knows...

But this much is certain: It's not enough fun to merit seeking/synthesizing> Bongo swears. Those who would refute this are likely talking through their hat with a bag to sell. Extensive experimentation with many, many people was done before it was outlawed. No one missed it.

[astenu]

So AET seems to be lacking the stimulative component in a way that MBDB does. How dangerous would combinations of AET+ other compounds be, like say a small dose of amphetamine, 4-fa or cocaine?

[radiometer]

AET is an MAOI, so probably not a great idea in terms of safety.