Experiences - First Morning Glory Trip

[mynameisshaun]

SWIM has bought 1500 MG Heavenly seeds. She plans to make 3 doses of these 2 ounces of seeds.

She plans on using this method she found while doing some extensive research on these forums:

<i>Supplies needed:

seeds, 1 glass, 20 ounces of distilled water, 1 large (family size) empty tea bag or 2-3 smaller ones, Coffee grinder, spoon, bowl, a sifter or splatter screen or something similar, paper towels, stapler, a touch of liquid hand soap.

Procedure:

1. Remove seeds from bags and count the number you would like to use (I recommend at least 400, and at most 600 for the first time)

2. Wash whole seeds briefly to remove any fungicides or other seed coatings. Do this by putting the seeds into a bowl and covering with some cold water. Put just a touch of hand soap in the water. Work the seeds around in the bowl with your fingers for about 10-20 seconds.

3. Rinse seeds. Put them in the sifter or on the splatter screen and rinse with cold tap water until all the soap is gone. (It is probably a good idea not to have them in the water too long, as the water might get into the seeds and remove a little of the alkaloids.)

4. Dry seeds. Do NOT use a blowdryer! Dry them well with paper towels.

5. Once they are dry, grind them pretty thoroughly in a coffee grinder, but not to the point of a fine powder. You want the black seed hulls to remain a little coarse.

6. Put the grounds into the empty tea bags and then staple the tea bags shut. Leave some breathing room in each bag since, when wet, the seed mush will expand and might break the bag if it is too full.

7. Put the tea bags into the glass which you have filled with cold distilled water.

8. Aid the extraction by getting the water into the mush. Some will tend to clump and remain in an air pocket. Use the spoon to submerge the bags and to squeeze them gently against the side of the glass. Also, you can lift and Dunk the bags repeatedly to help extract the LSA.

9. Leave glass to sit in a cool dark place for ten minutes with spoon on top of bags to keep them submerged if they are trying to float.

10. Go back and work on the bags some more with the spoon. Be careful not to tear the bag. If you do tear it and mush leaks out, you will have to filter the water.

11. Leave glass to sit for another ten minutes.

12. Work with spoon some more and then remove the bags and squeeze most of the water that remains in them into the glass.

13. DISCARD BAGS! THROW THEM IN THE TRASH! THE SEED MUSH IS TRASH!

14. Drink water.
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Now, SWIM has tripped off of LSD before quite a few times but it has a been some time for her so she decided to go this route because she had heard good things about the effects that LSA can produce.

SWIM has done much research but she would like to know this:

Have any of you heard of someone performing this same exact ( Or close to ) procedure and ending up with a strong trip, meaning much like LSD?

[PsychicTraveler]

Sounds like a short soak with a lot of seeds.

SWIM would prefer the non-polar/polar extraction method.
That involves washing the grindings with naphtha, drying completely, then extracting with alcohol.
This method eliminates a lot of the negative side effects.
But you should be doing all this research yourself before you do ANYTHING.
Search the Erowid vaults on it.

[mynameisshaun]

Originally Posted by PsychicTraveler

Sounds like a short soak with a lot of seeds.

SWIM would prefer the non-polar/polar extraction method.
That involves washing the grindings with naphtha, drying completely, then extracting with alcohol.
This method eliminates a lot of the negative side effects.
But you should be doing all this research yourself before you do ANYTHING.
Search the Erowid vaults on it.

SWIM HAS done extensive research. She has no access to High proof alcohol nor Naptha because of the area she lives in. SWIM would just simply like to hear from anyone who has performed an experiment close to what she will be performing, and would like to hear the trip outcome of this procedure, if any.

[PsychicTraveler]

Well, SWIM did a 2-hour extraction on 100 Ololiuhqui seeds and that did nothing. Sorry, that's all I can offer you on the subject of H20 MG extraction.

[tregar]

Swim's friend below had excellent results using either Martha Stewart brand seeds or Burpee seeds (both sold in dated packs and grown in Holland). It is rumored that Martha Stewart owns significant stock in Burpee...so it could be that the Martha Stewart brand is just re-packaged Burpee seeds...swim's friend used the cold water method you posted for a 30 minute extraction with vigorous stirring and squeezing of the bags against the glass every so often...also there was reported to be little to no nausea this way.

When swim tried to do the same, he only got mild effects however, most likely because swim only extracted in cold water for 5 minutes instead of 30 minutes (didn't follow directions). Or it could be that swim's seeds were heat damaged as they sat in high temps for many days, instead of being stored in the fridge.

Good luck...if swim has any luck, pleast post your dream results.

QUOTE from swam:
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As for mg visuals, swim can't even begin to describe most of them. And my memory of them is likely not very accurate since it has been a few years. swim tends to translate the experiences into a form that swim can remember, as the real thing cannot be represented with sober thought. The visuals are beyond representation for the most part. All that swim can give you are general themes.

swim tended to see what seemed to be a four-dimensional lattice structure that appeared to be "behind" things, as if everyday reality were just a bright projection that obscured the real luminous hyperspatial structure behind it. Things tended to have eyes and feathers on them. Often what dominated the visuals was a winged eye in the center of my vision. Often, instead of wings, the eye was surrounded by colorful mandalic geometric forms or organic patterns like vegetation. But it was very common to see a serene eye in the focal point of my visual field with all sorts of fantastic forms radiating from it.

swim also saw lots of angelic forms and gothic celestial architecture, particularly when listening to Mozart's Requiem on god headphones while tripping with my eyes closed.

swim saw a vision of a pyramid, floating in the air, with the Eye of Ra on it, and with a sword piercing it from beneath. The sword was entwined with two cobras, as in a caduceus. And around this pyramid atop a snake entwined sword were four large luminous feathered wings, each one a distance out from each corner of the pyramid, coming from beneath the whole figure and reaching above it, almost as though the wings were guarding it. This whole figure has obvious occult meaning. swim just wonder why the images are so typically Egyptian in character, at least for swim.

swim have found many things similar to my visions in the art of Alex Grey. The eyes all over things, the energy lattices, and so on, are all very similar to what swim has seen. Have you seen Grey's painting called "Dying" ? That eye-filled vortex pattern is something that swim has seen. It seemed to me at least while swim was tripping that the winged eye that dominated things was my soul, maybe something like the "ba" of the Egyptians. swim once saw it rising up to meet the light, as if swim was underwater seeing the sun above the surface and my soul was flying up to join the sun.

swim also once saw a great field of eggs, above which was a giant watchful eye, surveying the field of eggs. Some of the eggs were cracking, and the cracks were lined with peering eyes. Every exposed opening was filled with eyes. And swim could see myself as one of these cracking eggs.

Another time, swim saw myself as a red dragon, what seemed to be my true form in this hyperspace, flying up, seeking the Source.

All of the visuals have a quality that swim can't describe well, verbally or with illustrations. Everything in that interior realm seems made of subtle energy and is luminous. It also often seems to have more than three spatial dimensions. It usually has a very detailed and very ordered structure, very mathematical, but arranged with a kind of structural harmony that is never seen in the physical world. The structures are beautiful beyond description. It is like visual music, with the sizes and positions shapes seemingly related by some kind of precise law that binds everything together in the most perfect harmony. The flawed forms of our world compared to those perfectly harmonious ones of that world are like the cacophany of a cocktail party compared to a symphony by Beethoven. Visual order like that has never been seen in physical form, in the natural world or in art. Fractal geometry sometimes resembles it, but still falls very short.

swim did some drawing while on MG seeds and discovered some principles of visual harmony that swim hope to fully realize one day and apply to painting. swim think that it might be possible to revolutionize design with laws of structural harmony the way that Pythagoras revolutionized music with his discoveries of the harmonics of sound waves. swim think that current visual art is probably like music before Pythagoras, with artists not understanding the laws of form and just basically working by trial and error to get something aesthetically pleasing. Primitive music was sometimes harmonious, but the real stuff was not unleashed until music theory was well understood.

Much of swim's MG trips have revolved around harmony one way or another. Playing a didgeridoo while tripping taught swim a lot about sound waves and resonance. It was wonderful! It was all very Pythagorean and makes swim wonder if the discoveries of Pythagoras were not aided by similar compounds, maybe through something like the eating of ergot infected grain. Plato has spoken of similar things and alludes to them with his Allegory of the Cave. And it is thought that he was an initiate in the Eleusinian Mysteries, which may have involved the ingestion of ergot infected grain.

Seeing this celestial realm, swim suddenly realized where all of the great architects, designers, and artists were getting their inspiration from! swim could especially see it in the sacred architecture of the great gothic cathedrals, the great mosques, Indian temples, and so on.

Check out these Indian temples, which are somewhat reminiscent of some of the subtle luminous structures seen on LSA and other compounds:

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~ruins/st...a1/india1.html

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/p...lingaraja.html

But what really struck swim is how this harmonious order is everywhere in our universe. The universe is governed by mathematical harmonies. They determine the structure of everything. The whole shebang seems to have harmony near its root.

swim don't even know how to begin talking about what swim got into there. swim think that one reason that swim have not yet gone back is that it was all a bit much. swim still have not digested it! swim could make a career out of the insights swim gained in just a few minutes of any one of swim's more amazing trips.

As is probably obvious, swim think that there is more to this than just chemicals and the brain.
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[PsychicTraveler]

SWIY might want to let them soak overnight?

[mynameisshaun]

SWIM's girlfriend was silly and decided to use tap water instead of distilled water.

While some EXTREMELY mild effects were achieved, SWIM's girlfriend is going to be sure to use DISTILLED water for the next extraction. Will post results this weekend.

[PsychicTraveler]

Having potent seed is very important. SWIM just got a pack of 1200 from the on-line auction site and I just wanted to report that they are pretty strong.

100 seeds were ground up and soaked for 10 minutes, then filtered through a cone coffee filter (took another 20 minutes). A little more than half was then injested in one quick shot. After 2 hours, the sensation was very similar to a low-level dose of LSD. The whole 100-seed extraction would have been great, but I really was not sure of what to expect.

The 60-seed extraction was remarkably strong considering the report of some needing 300 for mild effects.

[PsychicTraveler]

SWIM finished the rest of the extraction at t+ 2:30ish. Even if it was a little late, SWIM just wanted to clean up the fridge really...

[PsychicTraveler]

100 was not a full psychedelic experience, but it was enough to know that they do work. Colors looked more colorful, shiny things looked brighter, etc.

SWIM is looking forward to more experimentation with these.

[PsychicTraveler]

200 seeds (20 minute water extraction) gives a flushing in the face typical to alkaloid drug consumption. Feet started sweating as soon as the water was drunk. Mild visual echoing begins. Some "background static" seen in low light conditions. Mood elevation. Slight tightness in jaw and leg muscles, though.

40% vodka (80 proof) worked for SWIM quite nicely.

[PsychicTraveler]

250 seeds and just more of the same, still not a next threshold experience. No true visuals yet, but really adds an extra kick to ganja. Definite narcotic effect. Slight pink cast to surroundings.

SWIM looked, but could only find 75% (151 proof) everclear. (SWIM is also conducting a different experiment and will report on the details of that later.)

[mynameisshaun]

SWIM performed the Cold water extraction with boiled water this time...

Used 1200 seeds, performed extraction, the liquid was split between SWIM and his mate. The effects were mild, mood elevation, slight " cloudy " body feeling in the first hour and a half. After 3 hours SWIM and his mate decided to sleep. Woke up feeling fine.

SWIM is very disappointed in his experiences with these seeds, SWIM projected that these seeds were much like LSD, but they are not at all.

[PsychicTraveler]

I've been thinking a little about the water extraction of LSA, and from what I've gathered:

Alkaloids (at least at neutral pH) are soluble in alcohol.
Alkaloids in an acid solution are soluble in water.
Alkaloids in a base solution are soluble in a non-polar solvant such as petroleum ether.

So, to do a water extraction, I would think it would be best to make the water acidic. How about doing a 10 minute extraction with lemon juice instead of straight water?

[mynameisshaun]

Well, after SWIM removed the tea bags he placed a couple squirts of lemon juice in the mixture and let it sit for about 20-30 minutes in a cold dark freezer that had been turned off to avoid actually freezing the liquid. No difference was made.

[mynameisshaun]

SWIM will try lemon juice on the next attempt.

SWIM is going to begin looking for a decent vendor with good seeds, the past 3 he has tried have brought him no luck.

[PsychicTraveler]

300 seeds with a shake of citric acid added to the powder and not much difference than 200 seeds.

But then, SWIM just ate some Peruvian torch a couple days before, so there might have been a cross-tolerance issue.

I am guessing that MG seeds are naturally acidic, therefore (THEORETICALLY) allowing the LSA to be extracted with clean water (and not allowing a non-polar solvent to wash away the LSA if doing the other extraction method).

[PsychicTraveler]

A 5-minute water extraction is a waste! The proper non-polar/polar alkaloid extraction is the way to go with these.

After messing around, SWIM then tried the non-polar wash, then alcohol extraction approach. But then SWIM took it a step further and evaporated all the alcohol, and added water to reliquify the LSA. (Doesn't much care for everclear.)

Half of the 600 seed preparation was quite impressive. MUCH better than the water extraction. That was weak, this is good. SWIM got an actual medium-light TRIP from 300.